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[Akr]

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I just did a quick forum search and didn't find the answer to my following question... If it has already been covered and I just didn't find it, could somebody please link me?

Am I understanding correctly that DO students can apply for MD residencies (if they take the USMLE), but MD students cannot take the COMLEX and apply to DO residencies? If so, is there a good explanation as to why?

My (allopathic) school does not yet have an ortho residency, but I just noticed that a nearby hospital has one - sponsored by an osteopathic school. I read into it a bit more and it looks like I would be ineligible to rotate through on clerkships or apply to that program... Yet I am currently precepting with some DO students under a DO internist. If it generally does not go both ways I would just like to understand why.

 

[scotchtapetest]

I just did a quick forum search and didn't find the answer to my following question... If it has already been covered and I just didn't find it, could somebody please link me?

Am I understanding correctly that DO students can apply for MD residencies (if they take the USMLE), but MD students cannot take the COMLEX and apply to DO residencies? If so, is there a good explanation as to why?

My (allopathic) school does not yet have an ortho residency, but I just noticed that a nearby hospital has one - sponsored by an osteopathic school. I read into it a bit more and it looks like I would be ineligible to rotate through on clerkships or apply to that program... Yet I am currently precepting with some DO students under a DO internist. If it generally does not go both ways I would just like to understand why.

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=813819&page=7

To summarize:

2) AOA doesn't allow MDs to participate in AOA residencies because MDs don't get OMM training in medical school which is required for ALL AOA internship years (any specialty). This is irrespective of how little or how extensive the OMM component of the internship is (1hr/month vs. 1hr/day). If you are not trained in OMM, you can not complete this requirement, even if it is only for 1hr during your entire training, and therefore you can not finish internship year. (I'm not arguing for or against this policy; I'm just stating facts)!

DOs also are NOT required to take the USMLE to enter ACGME (MD) residencies. COMLEX is sufficient although depending on the specialty some/most programs require USMLE for DOs.

 

[Akr]

Thanks!

 

[FrkyBgStok]

Can MD students potentially apply, and get accepted to the joint programs?

 

[SAvoodoo]

Can MD students potentially apply, and get accepted to the joint programs?

I don't think so (don't know 100% but pretty sure based on the following logic). 1) The joint programs are not offered in the MD match, only in the DO match so they can't apply. 2) Most (maybe all but i'm not sure) joint programs also have an MD only residency so MDs would just apply to those spots. 3) To do a joint program you have to fulfill the AOA requirements which MDs couldn't do.

Like I said, not 100% sure but that's what I've seen in the joint peds programs I applied to.

 

[scotchtapetest]

Can MD students potentially apply, and get accepted to the joint programs?

Although they are dually accredited programs (which means you can get AOA and ACGME credit), the matches are different and if you want AOA credit/accreditation you have to match through the AOA side into the AOA spots (predetermined # based on AOA accreditation) and you have to complete the AOA curriculum which is slightly different than ACGME and again requires OMM. Also dually accredited programs are pretty much limited to IM/EM/FM/Peds. To my knowledge other specialties don't have it and definitely Ortho. doesn't have it.

 

[FrkyBgStok]

DMU has a joint surgery program (kind of, through Mercy Hospital) and I was wondering because I have never seen an MD in the program so it isn't really "joint" and if they could, would they have to hope that the a spot went unfilled and no one scrambled into it for a month? But what you said makes sense. kind of.....i am sure it will make more sense to me later.

 

[FutureDoctorrrr]

DMU has a joint surgery program (kind of, through Mercy Hospital) and I was wondering because I have never seen an MD in the program so it isn't really "joint" and if they could, would they have to hope that the a spot went unfilled and no one scrambled into it for a month? But what you said makes sense. kind of.....i am sure it will make more sense to me later.

I am assuming that by "joint", you mean dually accredited by both the AOA & the ACGME.

A current DMU student (Doctor B), currently in his clinical years, mentioned that the surgery residency program at DMU is in the process of being dually accredited. However, as of this moment, it is not yet dually accredited & thus can't accept any MD applicants. He mentioned that it will be dually accredited starting next year (if I remember correctly).

 

[scotchtapetest]

I am assuming that by "joint", you mean dually accredited by both the AOA & the ACGME.

A current DMU student (Doctor B) in his clinical years mentioned that the surgery residency program at DMU is in the process of being dually accredited. However, as of this moment, it is not yet dually accredited & thus can't accept any MD applicants. He mentioned that it will be dually accredited starting next year (if I remember correctly).

I should've stated this in my previous post but there is a difference between joint programs and dually accredited programs. There are some programs that have AOA and ACGME accreditation for a given specialty but they are not dually accredited in the sense that each residency is separate (i.e. As a DO matching into those AOA spots will not get you ACGME credit). This is in contract with true dually accredited programs where matching through the AOA side will get you AOA and ACGME credit. Neither kind of program will give you AOA credit if you match through the ACGME side.

I'm not familiar with this particular residency or whether it will be dually accredited in the true sense or not but as of now (to my knowledge) only IM/FM/Peds programs are really/truly dually accredited.

 

[FutureDoctorrrr]

Thanks for telling me about the fact that "joint" & "dually accredited" are different.

 

[donkeykong1]

I should've stated this in my previous post but there is a difference between joint programs and dually accredited programs. There are some programs that have AOA and ACGME accreditation for a given specialty but they are not dually accredited in the sense that each residency is separate (i.e. As a DO matching into those AOA spots will not get you ACGME credit). This is in contract with true dually accredited programs where matching through the AOA side will get you AOA and ACGME credit. Neither kind of program will give you AOA credit if you match through the ACGME side.

I'm not familiar with this particular residency or whether it will be dually accredited in the true sense or not but as of now (to my knowledge) only IM/FM/Peds programs are really/truly dually accredited.

👍 in addition, NYCOM's PM&R program at nassau univ. hospital is dually accredited.