Love or Legacy? Pursuing my PsyD.

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Past Lives is too sad for me. Ever since I started doing clinical work full-time, I really like to keep my entertainment on the light and fluffy side.

Fair enough. If you're thinking more on the rom com side, then yeah, new work in that genre has been pretty minimal.
 
Is the studio that exists to just put out christian propaganda>? And make sure that people like Kirk Cameron and Kevin Sorbo can still pay their mortgages?
As a Catholic in Recovery (aka agnostic atheist) those Christian studio propaganda films can be ahhh-mazing!! Back in the late ‘90s and early ‘00s was the prior golden age of Christian Propaganda media. Blockbuster (it’s been that long) used to have an entire section of them.

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“BibleMan” is/was the MARVEL of the genre. A live-action tv series, movies, animated series, and endless merchandising. Scott Baio’s “best friend” from Charles In Charge is BM.

For the more “Baldwin-Centric” propaganda options is this classic: SIX: The Mark Unleashed.
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As for the OP, your area(s) of research should guide your program options. If research and statistics are not areas of interest, I’d strongly recommend going for a masters degree because any halfway-decent doctoral training program requires competency in those and more areas.
 
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Ignoring for a moment that this all might be AI generated BS, I want to talk about the concept of "passion for becoming a clinical psychologist." I have found this to be a rather "not great" motivation- particularly if it is the sole motivation- for undertaking doctoral level training in clinical psychology. A lot (most?) prospective students who say they have a passion for clinical psych really mean they have a passion for talking to people (who they generally know personally or are related to) about generally sub-clinical problems. This represents very little of what a practicing clinical psychologist does (or should be doing), and even less about what you are going to encounter as a doctoral student. Are you passionate about regression analyses or between groups designs? How about neuroanatomy or esoteric cognitive psychology concepts? You're going to be spending as much time- or even more, at least initially in your training- dealing with that stuff as "talking" to clients. You'll also find that just be able to chat with clients is insufficient when dealing with moderate-severe MI. Also, your clients won't be your friends or family (or at least they better not be!), and you won't have the same knowledge of them (nor they of you) that you had when previously talking to people about their problems. While your passion and personality will play a role in what you do, it is not the main factor of how effective you will or won't be as a clinical psychologist. The skills and techniques you acquire during training (as well as your ability to continue to acquire and refine new techniques after formal training, which is why the foundation in research is so important) and your careful application of them will be the bigger factor in your success as a clinical psychologists (with success= best outcomes for your clients). If you are passionate about all that other stuff- great! If you're not, but still willing to deal with it all for the betterment of your future clients, that's plenty good enough too.
 
As a Catholic in Recovery (aka agnostic atheist) those Christian studio propaganda films can be ahhh-mazing!! Back in the late ‘90s and early ‘00s was the prior golden age of Christian Propaganda media. Blockbuster (it’s been that long) used to have an entire section of them.

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“BibleMan” is/was the MARVEL of the genre. A live-action tv series, movies, animated series, and endless merchandising. Scott Baio’s “best friend” from Charles In Charge is BM.

For the more “Baldwin-Centric” propaganda options is this classic: SIX: The Mark Unleashed.
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As for the OP, your area(s) of research should guide your program options. If research and statistics are not areas of interest, I’d strongly recommend going for a masters degree because any halfway-decent doctoral training program requires competency in those and more areas.

That BibleMan exists and is Buddy Lembeck from Charles in Charge might be one of the best things I ever learned on this forum!
 
Ignoring for a moment that this all might be AI generated BS, I want to talk about the concept of "passion for becoming a clinical psychologist." I have found this to be a rather "not great" motivation- particularly if it is the sole motivation- for undertaking doctoral level training in clinical psychology. A lot (most?) prospective students who say they have a passion for clinical psych really mean they have a passion for talking to people (who they generally know personally or are related to) about generally sub-clinical problems. This represents very little of what a practicing clinical psychologist does (or should be doing), and even less about what you are going to encounter as a doctoral student. Are you passionate about regression analyses or between groups designs? How about neuroanatomy or esoteric cognitive psychology concepts? You're going to be spending as much time- or even more, at least initially in your training- dealing with that stuff as "talking" to clients. You'll also find that just be able to chat with clients is insufficient when dealing with moderate-severe MI. Also, your clients won't be your friends or family (or at least they better not be!), and you won't have the same knowledge of them (nor they of you) that you had when previously talking to people about their problems. While your passion and personality will play a role in what you do, it is not the main factor of how effective you will or won't be as a clinical psychologist. The skills and techniques you acquire during training (as well as your ability to continue to acquire and refine new techniques after formal training, which is why the foundation in research is so important) and your careful application of them will be the bigger factor in your success as a clinical psychologists (with success= best outcomes for your clients). If you are passionate about all that other stuff- great! If you're not, but still willing to deal with it all for the betterment of your future clients, that's plenty good enough too.
As someone more passionate about quantitative analyses than talking to people, I approve this message 😂
 
Ignoring for a moment that this all might be AI generated BS, I want to talk about the concept of "passion for becoming a clinical psychologist." I have found this to be a rather "not great" motivation- particularly if it is the sole motivation- for undertaking doctoral level training in clinical psychology. A lot (most?) prospective students who say they have a passion for clinical psych really mean they have a passion for talking to people (who they generally know personally or are related to) about generally sub-clinical problems. This represents very little of what a practicing clinical psychologist does (or should be doing), and even less about what you are going to encounter as a doctoral student. Are you passionate about regression analyses or between groups designs? How about neuroanatomy or esoteric cognitive psychology concepts? You're going to be spending as much time- or even more, at least initially in your training- dealing with that stuff as "talking" to clients. You'll also find that just be able to chat with clients is insufficient when dealing with moderate-severe MI. Also, your clients won't be your friends or family (or at least they better not be!), and you won't have the same knowledge of them (nor they of you) that you had when previously talking to people about their problems. While your passion and personality will play a role in what you do, it is not the main factor of how effective you will or won't be as a clinical psychologist. The skills and techniques you acquire during training (as well as your ability to continue to acquire and refine new techniques after formal training, which is why the foundation in research is so important) and your careful application of them will be the bigger factor in your success as a clinical psychologists (with success= best outcomes for your clients). If you are passionate about all that other stuff- great! If you're not, but still willing to deal with it all for the betterment of your future clients, that's plenty good enough too.

To add to this, dealing with one person with emotional needs is different than dealing with 30, or 40, or 50, or 100. I have gotten lots of flak from some younger folks on here when I mention that clinical psychology and, particularly psychotherapy, were never my passion or my dream. My interests were more in related to neuropsych, cognitive neuroscience, and neurosurgery. When I decided to attend grad school, I planned to be a primarily assessment focused/ neuropsychologist. It was not until I was in grad school that I realized I was actually very good at the psychotherapist part of it. It was not until after grad school that I realized I have a higher tolerance for it than even most practitioners (I really did not mind seeing 9-11 folks per day when I had the time). I also realized that I hated writing reports on full neuropsych batteries all day. Rather than passion, I encourage young folks to take an honest assessment of their skills and decide what they want to do from there. I have passions in many other areas with absolutely no ability to make those passions a career.
 
To add to this, dealing with one person with emotional needs is different than dealing with 30, or 40, or 50, or 100. I have gotten lots of flak from some younger folks on here when I mention that clinical psychology and, particularly psychotherapy, were never my passion or my dream. My interests were more in related to neuropsych, cognitive neuroscience, and neurosurgery. When I decided to attend grad school, I planned to be a primarily assessment focused/ neuropsychologist. It was not until I was in grad school that I realized I was actually very good at the psychotherapist part of it. It was not until after grad school that I realized I have a higher tolerance for it than even most practitioners (I really did not mind seeing 9-11 folks per day when I had the time). I also realized that I hated writing reports on full neuropsych batteries all day. Rather than passion, I encourage young folks to take an honest assessment of their skills and decide what they want to do from there. I have passions in many other areas with absolutely no ability to make those passions a career.

After talking to some neurospsych people and seeing some of those reports, I truly don't understand how someone could willingly enjoy dong such a thing.


Not being passionate about what you do is one thing (and an obviously sensible stance), but forcing yourself to do something you actively despise is another thing all together.
 
After talking to some neurospsych people and seeing some of those reports, I truly don't understand how someone could willingly enjoy dong such a thing.


Not being passionate about what you do is one thing (and an obviously sensible stance), but forcing yourself to do something you actively despise is another thing all together.

Not sure I actively despised the reports, I just don't have the attention span to do so in an expedient manner. I am not a particularly quick reader or writer in general. I am a much better auditory learner and tend to consume a lot info via audio books and podcasts now. Being a psychotherapist plays to my strengths there.
 
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In grad school, I learned that I could write any kind of testing report if I had the right music. Now, I actually enjoy writing psych testing reports, but they are far from the ridiculously long ones I had to write back in my assessment classes. They also aren't cognitive assessment, lol
 
In grad school, I learned that I could write any kind of testing report if I had the right music. Now, I actually enjoy writing psych testing reports, but they are far from the ridiculously long ones I had to write back in my assessment classes. They also aren't cognitive assessment, lol

But could you do it while listening to John Cage's '4 min and 33 sec'?
 
When I decided to attend grad school, I planned to be a primarily assessment focused/ neuropsychologist. It was not until I was in grad school that I realized I was actually very good at the psychotherapist part of it.
I was basically the opposite. While my undergrad training was a mix of pre-med requirements, psych, & biz classes, I had no idea neuropsych was an option bc SDN Psych didn’t exist back then and the Psych Guide to programs was pretty new and didn’t cover it. I originally had planned on pursuing an MD/PhD, but was dissuaded after talking to some potential research lab members. I always enjoyed neuroscience, but thought becoming a neurologist was the only likely path.

Anyhow, my first assessment class introduced a whole world I didn’t know existed in the field. My skills and personality ended up being a *much* better fit for assessment. Unlike most neuropsychologists, I still do some counseling. I limit it to a handful of long-term mod & severe TBIs cases though bc I can’t tolerate more than a handful of therapy pts. I now offer 2 half days for all clinical f/u (e.g. testing feedback, counseling, etc) and that’s plenty of direct patient contact for me. 😆 I spend most of my time these days doing record reviews, legal consultations, and depositions…the ideal mix for me at this point in my career, but not even on my radar when I was still in training.

I’d strongly encourage the OP to interview a number of local psychologists to get a better feel about the day-to-day work bc it can vary greatly.
 
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I'm fairly positive that I'm listening to music during my average day more often than listening to nothing, I wouldn't be shocked if it came out to something like 75% of my day I'm listening to something. I don't understand the people that can work in silence unless forced or it would be disruptive (e.g. psychotherapy).
 
I'm fairly positive that I'm listening to music during my average day more often than listening to nothing, I wouldn't be shocked if it came out to something like 75% of my day I'm listening to something. I don't understand the people that can work in silence unless forced or it would be disruptive (e.g. psychotherapy).
This is so funny, I'm the complete opposite. I already listen to enough talk with patients, I want silence for all of the other things.
 
After talking to some neurospsych people and seeing some of those reports, I truly don't understand how someone could willingly enjoy dong such a thing.


Not being passionate about what you do is one thing (and an obviously sensible stance), but forcing yourself to do something you actively despise is another thing all together.
As someone in neuropsych I also read those reports (usually the ones that are 10+ pages long from folks who trained a while ago and work in private practice) and wonder why people would want to do such a thing… I get it lol 😅

There is a trend toward briefer assessments and more targeted reports, which I know some folks despise but I frankly think benefits the patient, referral source, and the provider. There’s a reason other specialties don’t wax poetic about irrelevant details pertaining to a patient - nobody cares, and people just want the take home message of the evaluation.

I for one actually enjoy doing neuropsych evaluations a lot because they offer insight into the actual functioning of patients and can help clarify possible causes of cognitive impairment / key recommendations.
 
As someone in neuropsych I also read those reports (usually the ones that are 10+ pages long from folks who trained a while ago and work in private practice) and wonder why people would want to do such a thing… I get it lol 😅

There is a trend toward briefer assessments and more targeted reports, which I know some folks despise but I frankly think benefits the patient, referral source, and the provider. There’s a reason other specialties don’t wax poetic about irrelevant details pertaining to a patient - nobody cares, and people just want the take home message of the evaluation.

I for one actually enjoy doing neuropsych evaluations a lot because they offer insight into the actual functioning of patients and can help clarify possible causes of cognitive impairment / key recommendations.
This. Times a thousand. As someone who did the majority of their training in neuropsych, I always thought I was the outlier for not wanting to make a career out of the lengthy testing and report writing. I've been fortunate enough to land into a position where I get to do a wide range of activities including consulting, assessment, and individual psychotherapy, and recognize the utility of brief assessment in supporting mine and others treatment of a patient. I also recognize my limitations within these arenas and feel grateful for the chances to refer patients out to providers who have very specific specialized training in either neuropsychological assessment or specific modalities of psychotherapy.
 
As someone in neuropsych I also read those reports (usually the ones that are 10+ pages long from folks who trained a while ago and work in private practice) and wonder why people would want to do such a thing… I get it lol 😅

There is a trend toward briefer assessments and more targeted reports, which I know some folks despise but I frankly think benefits the patient, referral source, and the provider. There’s a reason other specialties don’t wax poetic about irrelevant details pertaining to a patient - nobody cares, and people just want the take home message of the evaluation.

I for one actually enjoy doing neuropsych evaluations a lot because they offer insight into the actual functioning of patients and can help clarify possible causes of cognitive impairment / key recommendations.
I think the trend toward briefer, more targeted assessments and reports is driven by a few things (none of which I inherently disagree with): wanting to decrease wait times by seeing more patients; making our notes/reports more similar to those of our medical colleagues; ever-increasing administrative burden in healthcare settings decreasing the time referral sources have to read our reports (and we have to write them); and decreasing relative reimbursement for lengthier test batteries (e.g., you'll earn more seeing 2 or 3 patients for 3/4-hour evaluations than you will 1 patient for a 6-10 hour evaluation). I also have seen neuropsychologists/"neuropsychologists" who with a straight face request 12+ hours of testing and evaluation services for a straightforward outpatient dementia eval, which probably doesn't do us any favors with insurance carriers and CMS.

For private practice, there can be a pressure to offer a product to the consumer, which can sometimes be the patient themselves in addition to (or rather than) a referral sources. So longer report = the patient feels like their money was well spent, and the provider gets to talk about more stuff that the patient may find to be interesting. Or yeah, sometimes the psychologist just likes to hear themselves talk.

All that said, psych/neuropsych reports are always going to be a bit of an outlier in the medical world, and that's not a bad thing. I've routinely gotten feedback that we provide some of the best and most helpful histories and conceptualizations that our referral sources see, because we have the time and training to do so. We just don't want to wax poetic for 5 pages about someone's unconscious processes or completely irrelevant childhood history, or paragraph after paragraph describing our tests and their results in mind-numbing detail when no one really cares.

And yeah, writing reports is more fun when you're the one who gets to decide how to write them and what goes in them (e.g., what testing to administer).
 
I think the trend toward briefer, more targeted assessments and reports is driven by a few things (none of which I inherently disagree with): wanting to decrease wait times by seeing more patients; making our notes/reports more similar to those of our medical colleagues; ever-increasing administrative burden in healthcare settings decreasing the time referral sources have to read our reports (and we have to write them); and decreasing relative reimbursement for lengthier test batteries (e.g., you'll earn more seeing 2 or 3 patients for 3/4-hour evaluations than you will 1 patient for a 6-10 hour evaluation). I also have seen neuropsychologists/"neuropsychologists" who with a straight face request 12+ hours of testing and evaluation services for a straightforward outpatient dementia eval, which probably doesn't do us any favors with insurance carriers and CMS.

For private practice, there can be a pressure to offer a product to the consumer, which can sometimes be the patient themselves in addition to (or rather than) a referral sources. So longer report = the patient feels like their money was well spent, and the provider gets to talk about more stuff that the patient may find to be interesting. Or yeah, sometimes the psychologist just likes to hear themselves talk.

All that said, psych/neuropsych reports are always going to be a bit of an outlier in the medical world, and that's not a bad thing. I've routinely gotten feedback that we provide some of the best and most helpful histories and conceptualizations that our referral sources see, because we have the time and training to do so. We just don't want to wax poetic for 5 pages about someone's unconscious processes or completely irrelevant childhood history, or paragraph after paragraph describing our tests and their results in mind-numbing detail when no one really cares.

And yeah, writing reports is more fun when you're the one who gets to decide how to write them and what goes in them (e.g., what testing to administer).

On that note, while i enjoy the case conceptualization behind cognitive and academic tests, I was never a fan of projective personality tests. The most painful experience of my professional life was administering a Rorschach on practicum to a rather imaginative child. It took over two hours and all the answers were giant monologues that described a robot war ala Transformers or Terminator 2. Even my supervisor couldn't take it.
 
On that note, while i enjoy the case conceptualization behind cognitive and academic tests, I was never a fan of projective personality tests. The most painful experience of my professional life was administering a Rorschach on practicum to a rather imaginative child. It took over two hours and all the answers were giant monologues that described a robot war ala Transformers or Terminator 2. Even my supervisor couldn't take it.
I have never given a Rorschach as a licensed psychologist, nor do I plan to ever administer one.
 
I was trained on the Rorschach and had to use it in a prac. I remember the prac student who started after me told me that the supervisor said "I know (cara) wasn't a big fan of the Rorschach, but I think by the end she really came around." The prac student, who knew me and my views on the Rorschach, was like "uhhh"
 
I was trained on the Exner system during grad school...man, what a waste of time.
Same. I spent the entire semester hating it. Not only was it a complete waste of time, but we also had to learn a few more projective measure too. The data aren’t supportive above what can be gleaned via other methods, so why waste the time?
 
Ignoring for a moment that this all might be AI generated BS, I want to talk about the concept of "passion for becoming a clinical psychologist." I have found this to be a rather "not great" motivation- particularly if it is the sole motivation- for undertaking doctoral level training in clinical psychology. A lot (most?) prospective students who say they have a passion for clinical psych really mean they have a passion for talking to people (who they generally know personally or are related to) about generally sub-clinical problems. This represents very little of what a practicing clinical psychologist does (or should be doing), and even less about what you are going to encounter as a doctoral student. Are you passionate about regression analyses or between groups designs? How about neuroanatomy or esoteric cognitive psychology concepts? You're going to be spending as much time- or even more, at least initially in your training- dealing with that stuff as "talking" to clients. You'll also find that just be able to chat with clients is insufficient when dealing with moderate-severe MI. Also, your clients won't be your friends or family (or at least they better not be!), and you won't have the same knowledge of them (nor they of you) that you had when previously talking to people about their problems. While your passion and personality will play a role in what you do, it is not the main factor of how effective you will or won't be as a clinical psychologist. The skills and techniques you acquire during training (as well as your ability to continue to acquire and refine new techniques after formal training, which is why the foundation in research is so important) and your careful application of them will be the bigger factor in your success as a clinical psychologists (with success= best outcomes for your clients). If you are passionate about all that other stuff- great! If you're not, but still willing to deal with it all for the betterment of your future clients, that's plenty good enough too.

Your comment inspired me even more to apply to PsyD programs this cycle. I must confess, I am quite stubborn and persist even more in the face of opposition. 😉

I am incredibly grateful for my undergraduate journey, where I not only fell in love with the field of psychology (and became aware of many of the concepts you speak of such as statistics, research designs, neuropsychology, and cognitive psychology), but I realized their use in everyday life, as well as my friends and strangers. It's amusing, as I feel many people have been judging me using heuristics, but I won't hold a grudge - rather I'll just understand it as a part of our human design, natural with the terrain of cognition and perception.

Reflecting on my life path these past days, I realize it's my destiny to become a psychologist–a calling that no one, including myself, can dim! I am quite excited for this next step in my journey, and am manifesting the best future for myself this cycle.
 
Your comment inspired me even more to apply to PsyD programs this cycle...

Reflecting on my life path these past days, I realize it's my destiny to become a psychologist–a calling that no one, including myself, can dim! I am quite excited for this next step in my journey, and am manifesting the best future for myself this cycle.
OK, then why just PsyD programs? If it's destiny, then why limit yourself to the most expensive and often less effective (in terms of becoming a good psychologist) route?
 
Your comment inspired me even more to apply to PsyD programs this cycle. I must confess, I am quite stubborn and persist even more in the face of opposition. 😉

I am incredibly grateful for my undergraduate journey, where I not only fell in love with the field of psychology (and became aware of many of the concepts you speak of such as statistics, research designs, neuropsychology, and cognitive psychology), but I realized their use in everyday life, as well as my friends and strangers. It's amusing, as I feel many people have been judging me using heuristics, but I won't hold a grudge - rather I'll just understand it as a part of our human design, natural with the terrain of cognition and perception.

Reflecting on my life path these past days, I realize it's my destiny to become a psychologist–a calling that no one, including myself, can dim! I am quite excited for this next step in my journey, and am manifesting the best future for myself this cycle.
Except for the admissions committee if they don't accept you into a program.
 
Your comment inspired me even more to apply to PsyD programs this cycle. I must confess, I am quite stubborn and persist even more in the face of opposition. 😉

I am incredibly grateful for my undergraduate journey, where I not only fell in love with the field of psychology (and became aware of many of the concepts you speak of such as statistics, research designs, neuropsychology, and cognitive psychology), but I realized their use in everyday life, as well as my friends and strangers. It's amusing, as I feel many people have been judging me using heuristics, but I won't hold a grudge - rather I'll just understand it as a part of our human design, natural with the terrain of cognition and perception.

Reflecting on my life path these past days, I realize it's my destiny to become a psychologist–a calling that no one, including myself, can dim! I am quite excited for this next step in my journey, and am manifesting the best future for myself this cycle.
Please don't take any of my comments as being discouraging of you pursuing doctoral clinical psych training. We need more well-trained, skilled young(er) folks in our profession. If you're passionate about real stuff that clinical psych is made of, even better. I'd much rather have a highly skilled skilled peer who is passionate about what they do than a highly skilled peer who is just in for the money (hah!) or the glory (hah hah!) or because they have no other marketable skills. As to the PsyD/PhD thing- I'd rather my peers get a combination of good, science-based training that does not leave them in huge debt or deplete their savings (which they then won't have to buy me drinks at the national conference).

As to "destiny", I'm not sure about that in the more spiritual/esoteric sense. However, as a literally card-carrying behavior analyst, a belief in some sort of determinism is ideologically consistent. Heisenberg be damned, your future as a clinical psychologist might've actually been predictable in the moments after the big-bang some 13.7 billion-or-so years ago (at least in this version of universe). Why fight it!
 
Your comment inspired me even more to apply to PsyD programs this cycle. I must confess, I am quite stubborn and persist even more in the face of opposition. 😉

I am incredibly grateful for my undergraduate journey, where I not only fell in love with the field of psychology (and became aware of many of the concepts you speak of such as statistics, research designs, neuropsychology, and cognitive psychology), but I realized their use in everyday life, as well as my friends and strangers. It's amusing, as I feel many people have been judging me using heuristics, but I won't hold a grudge - rather I'll just understand it as a part of our human design, natural with the terrain of cognition and perception.

Reflecting on my life path these past days, I realize it's my destiny to become a psychologist–a calling that no one, including myself, can dim! I am quite excited for this next step in my journey, and am manifesting the best future for myself this cycle.
Try not to take the responses on this forum personally. We are just sharing our thoughts on the field and other people we have run into along the way including our own thoughts and misperceptions. I really didn’t know that much about clinical psychology as a career and what that would look like when I got my undergrad degree so any post I would have made back then would have reflected that. I am sure I would have said many things that made no sense for a career as a psychologist.

I remember a couple of years into grad school someone asking about what I wanted to do and I still had no idea other than to say I didn’t want to work with kids and especially not adolescents. Fast forward a few years later and a big part of my career was focused on adolescents.

Glad to have you on the forum and hope you keep us informed about your journey.
 
Has anyone read "The First Law" trilogy by Joe Abercrombie?

This is how I imagine Brother Longfoot types like.

Anyways, go crazy. Do what you like until you get stopped.
 
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