Low MCAT Success Story

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If you're an applicant, this time last year I was sitting in your shoes. Not only did my undergraduate institution not supply me with a letter of recommendation from the health advisor, I was applying with a below average MCAT. In addition, for various reasons, many courses were completed at a community college. In full disclosure, my MCAT was a 28 and my GPA was ~3.9. The reason why I am writing this post, is to help ease the fears of many applicants and debunk some of the common myths encountered on SDN. Out of fear of rejection (most of which originated from SDN), I applied to many schools--30 to be exact. This included both Osteopathic and Allopathic programs.

1. My MCAT was 28 and it was never brought up as an issue during any interview. I was prepared to answer questions, and in some instances, I brought it up myself. I was reassured that most programs use a holistic approach in reviewing their applicants.

2. Many courses were completed at a community college. This was done for financial reasons, but again, this rarely came up in an interview. One interviewer asked me about the rigor of these courses and I explained that they were comparable to the science courses I completed at a four-year university. It wasn't an issue in any other interview.

3. My GPA was very good--in both science and non-science courses. Understanding my MCAT was below average, this certainly helped my application. Do everything you can to control the strength of your application. Your GPA shows your long-term performance. The MCAT reflects performance on one day. If you perform poorly on that day, it's always good to have strength elsewhere.

4. I had very little research experience. If you're not completing formal research at a university, get involved at a hospital, medical school, or other program. Go out looking for it. Even if you're not named first in a paper, you'll be fine. It definitely strengthens your application, so try to find some sort of experience, no matter how formal or informal it is.

5. SHADOW, SHADOW, SHADOW! Some programs won't even consider you without some shadowing experience. Even if it's only 50 hours, it shows that you're interested in medicine. It's also a cool opportunity to check out some cool areas in medicine and pick the brain of a few docs!

6. Volunteer if you can find the time. Maybe it was the programs that I applied to, but they emphasized that they wanted compassionate individuals. It doesn't necessarily have to be in medicine. They want to see that you actually care about PEOPLE. There also good at picking out BS, so make sure you're actually doing something verifiable and something you're interested in--you'll likely be asked about it later.

7. Relax and have fun! I know it's easier to say this after I've been accepted--it's true. But I am giving you perspective from someone who experienced the stress of applying and has the convenience of hindsight. Not only is it healthy, but it will help you out during your application.
7a. Adcoms want to see that you're a person. This means that interesting hobbies, sports, and random
facts about you make you an attractive candidate.

8. Apply to schools that match your statistics. In other words, be reasonable. It's an expensive process.

9. I'm a non-traditional student. The admissions committees often seek a mixture of traditional and nontraditional students. So don't worry if you're one or the other--use it to your advantage.

Of the thirty schools from which I applied, I received an interview at more than half of them. I attended 15 interviews and was subsequently accepted by more than 10 schools. And so the point of this long post is this: Apply smart, apply broadly, and have confidence in yourself. The path to medical school can be stressful, but you have more control over your destiny than you might think!

During orientation, our class was told that the admissions committee had the ability to fill the seats of the class three times over with perfect scores. Many of us didn't have perfect scores. Instead, the admissions committee selected candidates that they felt were a good fit for the school and, equally important, a good fit for the future of medicine.

I hope this helps relieve the stress for some of you. Best of luck to you in your journey!

Sincerely,
Your future colleague
 
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In a similar boat here (nontrad, 29 mcat, 3.9ish gpa, many cc credits, applied to 25 schools). I hope to have even half the interviews/acceptances as you. Congrats! 🙂
 
Thank you 🙂 This is so helpful! Would you mind giving a rough idea of your timeline? In other words, time between submissions and interviews?
 
dude, that made me feel so much better. However, dont be offended when I ask this, but are you an URM?
 
Thank you 🙂 This is so helpful! Would you mind giving a rough idea of your timeline? In other words, time between submissions and interviews?

I began receiving II's in August and it went until March. Many of my interviews were in September through mid-December. One program ranked high on my list interviewed me and I didn't get accepted until almost February—with absolutely no correspondence in between. My top choice school interviewed me late and accepted me in March. They were the last program I interviewed with.
 
what schools did you interview/get accepted at?

I'm not going to list them all for obvious reasons, but I applied widely. I traveled as far West as Indianapolis and Chicago, as far North as Vermont, and as far south as Ft. Lauderdale. I interviewed and got accepted to all DO schools except for PCOM and was waitlisted or accepted to many of the MD programs that I interviewed with. Some of my favorite interviews included CCOM, Rush, UCF, Temple, UVM, Maryland, and IU.
 
I'm very interested in the expenses that come with attending 15 interviews and why you didn't stop interviewing as soon as you were accepted to one of your top choices.
 
I'm very interested in the expenses that come with attending 15 interviews and why you didn't stop interviewing as soon as you were accepted to one of your top choices.

The expenses are everything you would expect. >$4k in application costs and $2-3k in travel expenses. Of course I would have stopped traveling if I was accepted to a school I enjoyed. But it's difficult not to attend other interviews when you haven't heard anything from the adcoms post interview before your next one is scheduled—that could be disastrous. Not to mention, it just happened that the close schools had later interviews than the programs located much further away. It would be difficult to pass up a good program that was close to home compared to one which was 15 hours away.

This was just how it worked out for me. It was no doubt expensive and I'm lucky that, being a non-traditional student with two incomes, I was able to foot the bill. From an optimistic perspective, what other opportunity do you get to visit 10 or 15 cities all over the country in a 6 month period! It was actually pretty cool!
 
dude, that made me feel so much better. However, dont be offended when I ask this, but are you an URM?
The implications behind your post are ridiculous and appalling. I'm not going to get into it b/c I don't want to detract from the point of the thread.

Congrats OP! Great post
 
It's ridiculous b/c it has no place on this thread. And the implications behind it are appalling. "Oh, you got only a 28 on your MCAT & got into med school? You MUST be a URM!"

As mentioned before, there is no need to drag it out further and detract from the thread.

My point is that his comment has no bearing on the OP's thread. Move on.

Again, congrats on the OP for your post. Thank you for sharing.
 
It's ridiculous b/c it has no place on this thread. And the implications behind it are appalling. "Oh, you got only a 28 on your MCAT & got into med school? You MUST be a URM!"

As mentioned before, there is no need to drag it out further and detract from the thread.

My point is that his comment has no bearing on the OP's thread. Move on.

Again, congrats on the OP for your post. Thank you for sharing.


Are you URM? If not, then move on.
 
The implications behind your post are ridiculous and appalling. I'm not going to get into it b/c I don't want to detract from the point of the thread.

Congrats OP! Great post

On the contrary, a low stats acceptance story is nearly useless without knowing whether the person in question is a URM. Why? Simply this:

African American applicant with 3.8-4.0 GPA and 27-29 MCAT acceptance rate: 90%

White applicant with 3.8-4.0 GPA and 27-29 MCAT acceptance rate: 61%
Source: the AAMC
https://www.aamc.org/data/facts/app...mcat-gpa-grid-by-selected-race-ethnicity.html

^^Please do not argue with these indisputable facts, it would make you look so very low. One can make arguments as to whether the greatly lowered admissions standards for URMs are justified or not, but to argue that standards are not lowered is sheer ignorance at best or disingenuity at worst.

What the above means with respect to this thread is that if the OP is a URM, his acceptance with a 28 MCAT and 3.9 GPA was always assured and doesn't really represent anything unusual or hope inspiring, since the stats indicate that candidates similar to the OP have a 90% chance of being accepted. If however he is not a URM, his story is a useful anecdote that can be drilled into further to extract possibly helpful pointers as to what non-statistical aspects of his profile helped him gain so many acceptances despite a relatively low MCAT.

All of which is to say, your assertion that it's "appalling" to ask if the OP is a URM is insulting and baseless.

Anyway, congrats OP for your acceptances. My post should by no means be taken as a diatribe against the OP, URMs, or any other group. The point is, as aspiring physicians we're all supposed to be scientists here. As such, we should not ignore facts just because some people might be offended by them. I'd rather "offend" someone than help perpetuate beliefs that may potentially lead people to make wrong decisions based on incorrect assumptions. Both the overall admissions statistics and individual anecdotes are skewed by preferences given to URMs that don't apply to people who are not URMs. To hide this fact from people and make it taboo to mention is morally wrong, in my opinion, as it may lead to unrealistic expectations that could prove costly for some.
 
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Comparing whether or not someone is URM with those scores is just as good as an excuse as saying he had better facial aesthetics than 90% of the interviewees.
 
Comparing whether or not someone is URM with those scores is just as good as an excuse as saying he had better facial aesthetics than 90% of the interviewees.

Are you saying these tables from the AAMC don't exist and I faked them? Or is your argument that 61% vs 90% in a sample size of 1600 applicants is not statistically significant? What exactly is your argument, because it seems like you're trying to refute facts by saying "no, because no"?
 
On the contrary, a low stats acceptance story is nearly useless without knowing whether the person in question is a URM. Why? Simply this:

African American applicant with 3.8-4.0 GPA and 27-29 MCAT acceptance rate: 90%

White applicant with 3.8-4.0 GPA and 27-29 MCAT acceptance rate: 61%
Source: the AAMC
https://www.aamc.org/data/facts/app...mcat-gpa-grid-by-selected-race-ethnicity.html

^^Please do not argue with these indisputable facts, it would make you look so very low. One can make arguments as to whether the greatly lowered admissions standards for URMs are justified or not, but to argue that standards are not lowered is sheer ignorance at best or disingenuity at worst.

What the above means with respect to this thread is that if the OP is a URM, his acceptance with a 28 MCAT and 3.9 GPA was always assured and doesn't really represent anything unusual or hope inspiring, since the stats indicate that candidates similar to the OP have a 90% chance of being accepted. If however he is not a URM, his story is a useful anecdote that can be drilled into further to extract possibly helpful pointers as to what non-statistical aspects of his profile helped him gain so many acceptances despite a relatively low MCAT.

All of which is to say, your assertion that it's "appalling" to ask if the OP is a URM is insulting and baseless.

First of all, next time you make a post from AAMC, include the entirety the data that your presenting. Out of that 90%, 63 were accepted out of only 70 that applied. For ORM, 954 were accepted out of 1,541. If your actually paying close attention to the raw data, that is a tremendous difference.

Its funny how you mention indisputable facts but you fail to mention one point: Out of all applicants, only 37.4% of AAs were accepted total compared to 46.2% whites.

Those darn URMS sure are stealing all the spots in med school with their lower admissions standards!

Which brings me to my point. STOP focusing so much on this URM vs ORM crap that is constantly on SDN. If you want to debate who has an easier time getting into med school or what not, start your own thread and keep it off of the OPs. I'm going to quote the OPs original statement, because you clearly missed the POINT he was trying to get across to you:

"During orientation, our class was told that the admissions committee had the ability to fill the seats of the class three times over with perfect scores. Many of us didn't have perfect scores. Instead, the admissions committee selected candidates that they felt were a good fit for the school and, equally important, a good fit for the future of medicine."

At the end of the day, that is what adcoms focus on more than anything else. Move on.
 
Are you saying these tables from the AAMC don't exist and I faked them? Or is your argument that 61% vs 90% in a sample size of 1600 applicants is not statistically significant? What exactly is your argument, because it seems like you're trying to refute facts by saying "no, because no"?
What I'm saying is who gives a chit if he's URM or not. This massive derailment is unnecessary stop trying to be THAT guy pulling all your stats n ****. NOOOOOBODDYYY CARESSSS
 
I am a white applicant (non-URM). I spoke with many applicants (both URM and non-URM) with MCAT scores between 27-30 while on the interview trail and in class.

By nature, we're wired to be competetive and we almost invariably have type-A personalities—that's what gets you to medical school in the first place. But despite my below average MCAT score, I tried to not feel ashamed and am very open about the details. When I started medical school, I met some very unique individuals with interesting stories. Many of them are clearly very smart people. It takes you a bit to acclimate to this environment, but eventually you get the confidence in yourself to understand that you also are unique and competent enough to handle the rigor of medical school. If you think you're the best, prepare to be humbled—they'll be someone you'll meet along the way who can do it better or are smarter. Focus on your strength and how your story can bring useful perspective to help make positive change. While a test score can help assess your ability to understand the premedical course information, it isn't defining of an individual's ability to become an effective physician. I know several residents training in competetive specialties who had borderline MCAT scores but performed very well on the USMLE and in medical school.

The MCAT's association to your training is analogous to the SAT to medical school. Yes, there may be some association between a score academic success, but there often is not. Your SAT will have no bearing on your performance on USMLE, and therefore will have no effect on the kind of physician you want to become. Score high enough on the MCAT to make it to DO school or MD school, work hard and distinguish yourself in the field in which you're interested (you'll learn more when you have residency planning) and you'll likely do very well.

Oh, and be nice. In addition to medical students being pretty sharp, they're also not bad judges of character. They'll be able to pick out a negative person every day of the week. And trust me, it would be a long four years in medical school with no friends. Not to mention, these people are going to be your colleagues in a very stressful profession. If you don't have one another to count on and can't interact amiably, all you'll have left are the lawyers 🙂

Be good! Do good!
 
So how come in other threads in your post history, you stated that you were URM (hispanic)?
 
So how come in other threads in your post history, you stated that you were URM (hispanic)?

The OP also applied to Howard, Morehouse, Meharry; was accepted at Morehouse and Meharry.
 
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@ Doctor Dapper - Congratulations on your wonderfully successful cycle! And you bring up some very useful points that future applicants will be wise to consider.

I can see how an applicant who is confident but not cocky, and personable without being inappropriately friendly would be able to pull 10 acceptances from 15 interviews - an outstanding ratio. But to receive 15 interview invitations from 30 applications is truly a remarkable 'hit' ratio for someone with a below-average MCAT. To what do you attribute your success garnering IIs? Was there something unique in your personal statement or background that other applicants can learn from?
 
So how come in other threads in your post history, you stated that you were URM (hispanic)?

When I was preparing to apply for medical school, I thought that simply having a Hispanic background was considered URM—which is what you see in a previous post. But there is a very narrow definition of URM as defined by the AAMC (it's listed on their website). Simply being Hispanic does not make you a URM. In addition, my family situation (without going into too much detail) was unique. Therefore, to eliminate any question, I noted this special situation in my AACOMAS and AMCAS application.

This thread is for anyone who is looking to see that it's possible to be accepted with certain stats. Feel free to argue the influence of being a URM, however it isn't relevant in my circumstance and therefore I cannot comment on it from a personal perspective.

Best of luck in your pursuits. And it's always good to be skeptical of what you hear. I believe that is the cornerstone of being a good scientist and physician.
 
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@ Doctor Dapper - Congratulations on your wonderfully successful cycle! And you bring up some very useful points that future applicants will be wise to consider.

I can see how an applicant who is confident but not cocky, and personable without being inappropriately friendly would be able to pull 10 acceptances from 15 interviews - an outstanding ratio. But to receive 15 interview invitations from 30 applications is truly a remarkable 'hit' ratio for someone with a below-average MCAT. To what do you attribute your success garnering IIs? Was there something unique in your personal statement or background that other applicants can learn from?

My personal statement was strong. This was evidenced by the comments made at several of my interviews. Further, I had very few reach schools. In addition to several DO programs, I applied to MD schools within reason. This means that I applied to absolutely no schools with an average MCAT over 32. I also didn't apply to schools with a poor ratio of IS vs. OS residents. I put much of the information I hear on SDN to the side and applied to all programs that fit my narrow situation—and yes, this included historically black colleges as well. When I visited these programs, the staff and students were welcoming and happy. Their match list showed that success is an individual character and that you could end up in almost any specialty you wanted. My goal is to become a competent physician. Any accredited U.S. DO or MD Medical School will provide you with a path to achieve that goal.

Don't be too arrogant for your own good. Not that I'm implying this to you, but there are students who believe they are simply too good to attend one school over another. That's fine, provided you aren't sitting there with a pile of rejections at the end of the application cycle.

Just be smart in how you apply. Find a program that you're a good fit for. If you get one acceptance out of 30, then guess what? That's the best school around for you, and trust me, you'll find a way to make it work. If you get more than one acceptance, then choose based on your personal situation.
 
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First of all, next time you make a post from AAMC, include the entirety the data that your presenting. Out of that 90%, 63 were accepted out of only 70 that applied. For ORM, 954 were accepted out of 1,541. If your actually paying close attention to the raw data, that is a tremendous difference.

Its funny how you mention indisputable facts but you fail to mention one point: Out of all applicants, only 37.4% of AAs were accepted total compared to 46.2% whites.

Those darn URMS sure are stealing all the spots in med school with their lower admissions standards!

Which brings me to my point. STOP focusing so much on this URM vs ORM crap that is constantly on SDN. If you want to debate who has an easier time getting into med school or what not, start your own thread and keep it off of the OPs. I'm going to quote the OPs original statement, because you clearly missed the POINT he was trying to get across to you:

"During orientation, our class was told that the admissions committee had the ability to fill the seats of the class three times over with perfect scores. Many of us didn't have perfect scores. Instead, the admissions committee selected candidates that they felt were a good fit for the school and, equally important, a good fit for the future of medicine."

At the end of the day, that is what adcoms focus on more than anything else. Move on.

Yes, a higher percentage of white applicants than African American applicants get acceptances, despite the large preferences given to URM applicants. Hmm..why could that be? Let's take a look:

African American applicants with MCAT>30: 430
African American total number of applicants: 3,800
Fraction of African American applicants with MCAT>30: .113

White applicants with MCAT>30: 12,077
White total number of applicants: 25,312
Fraction of White applicants with MCAT>30: .477

As you can see, the fraction of white applicants who have a "competitive" MCAT score is 4 times the fraction of African American applicants with "competitive" MCAT scores. Or, to look at it another way, the fraction of white applicants with competitive MCATs (.477) is greater than the fraction of white applicants who actually get accepted (.462). On the other hand, the fraction of African American applicants getting accepted is .372 whereas only .113 have competitive MCATs. So please don't try to insinuate that the process is somehow biased against URMs because of a lesser overall acceptance rate. The stats tell the story.


What I'm saying is who gives a chit if he's URM or not. This massive derailment is unnecessary stop trying to be THAT guy pulling all your stats n ****. NOOOOOBODDYYY CARESSSS

^^Great argument, I hope you enjoyed the first part of this post.
 
100% concur. A 28 MCAT score is only ~2 points below the median for MD schools, and one can, by applying strategically, get accepted with that. Numbers get you to the door, and the rest of the packet gets you through the door.

Which brings me to my point. STOP focusing so much on this URM vs ORM crap that is constantly on SDN. If you want to debate who has an easier time getting into med school or what not, start your own thread and keep it off of the OPs. I'm going to quote the OPs original statement, because you clearly missed the POINT he was trying to get across to you:

"During orientation, our class was told that the admissions committee had the ability to fill the seats of the class three times over with perfect scores. Many of us didn't have perfect scores. Instead, the admissions committee selected candidates that they felt were a good fit for the school and, equally important, a good fit for the future of medicine."

At the end of the day, that is what adcoms focus on more than anything else. Move on.[/QUOTE]
 
100% concur. A 28 MCAT score is only ~2 points below the median for MD schools, and one can, by applying strategically, get accepted with that. Numbers get you to the door, and the rest of the packet gets you through the door.

Which brings me to my point. STOP focusing so much on this URM vs ORM crap that is constantly on SDN. If you want to debate who has an easier time getting into med school or what not, start your own thread and keep it off of the OPs. I'm going to quote the OPs original statement, because you clearly missed the POINT he was trying to get across to you:

"During orientation, our class was told that the admissions committee had the ability to fill the seats of the class three times over with perfect scores. Many of us didn't have perfect scores. Instead, the admissions committee selected candidates that they felt were a good fit for the school and, equally important, a good fit for the future of medicine."

At the end of the day, that is what adcoms focus on more than anything else. Move on.
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Agree. But 28 is actually ~5 points below MD median.
 

Agree. But 28 is actually ~5 points below MD median.[/QUOTE]

You guys are all wrong as it's 3 points below 😛
 
This thread went from hopeful to toxic real fast. Hehe, I love you SDN!
 
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