Lower Tier Medical Schools 2015

[PhillyMed777]

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What do you call a doctor who graduates from a low tier med school?



Doctor.

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[Anicetus]

What do you call a doctor who graduates from a low tier med school?



Family medicine resident in Idaho.

FTFY. That motivational quote died back in the 90's. Of course I'm referring to the more extreme "last in the class" saying.

 

[LurkerLurker]

And Family medicine docs are still doctors...

There's not a US med school out there where plenty of people in the class are going into any number of competitive fields. This number is certainly higher among top tier schools but I can't imagine this nauseating elitism really matters much outside SDN.

 

[OnePunchBiopsy]

Also, going to a "high tier" medical school does not mean you are exempt from failing Step 1/2 and having to apply to noncompetitive residencies.

 

[chizledfrmstone]

I have respect for anyone who makes it through this process.

 

[Rekt]

I have respect for anyone who makes it through this process.

Pretty much. School blows.

 

[Willy38]

Dude. I don't always go for prestige. I sometimes chase my dream too. I declined these schools. One of them offered me $120k scholarship

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I only posted this list cause it was interesting to me. And it seems very clear to me that a lot of people are also finding it interesting whether they like it or not.

Being proud of what you've worked hard for is one thing but arrogance doesn't look good on anyone. We took ourselves out of the center of the equation when we chose a career as a physician. Let's not forget the reason why we are where we are. Let the pride go man.

 

[Baller MD]

Being proud of what you've worked hard for is one thing but arrogance doesn't look good on anyone. We took ourselves out of the center of the equation when we chose a career as a physician. Let's not forget the reason why we are where we are. Let the pride go man.

A lot of people go into medicine for the prestige and money though.

 

[LurkerLurker]

A lot of people go into medicine for the prestige and money though.

I have a friend who started making 450k a year endorsing products as an Instagram fitness model and through YouTube video ads. He was 21.

Prestige maybe but going into medicine for the money is kind of dumb.

 

[Cytarabine]

I have a friend who started making 450k a year endorsing products as an Instagram fitness model and through YouTube video ads. He was 21.

Prestige maybe but going into medicine for the money is kind of dumb.

Brb dropping out of med school to apply for Instagram male model jobs. What products do you think I should pitch to the out of shape pasty and modestly attractive male demographic?

 

[Psai]

Brb dropping out of med school to apply for Instagram male model jobs. What products do you think I should pitch to the out of shape pasty and modestly attractive male demographic?

What is this? A center for ants?

 

[Willy38]

A lot of people go into medicine for the prestige and money though.

yeah but that is actually a terrible economic decision. If you are smart/motivated enough to gain acceptance to med school, one could assume you would do reasonably well as an investment banker or some other lucrative field.

By the time graduate med school, someone in IB could have earned two years salary as an analyst (~135k including bonus), attended B school and have a starting associate salary which is comparable to an attending in an average to lower paying field (150-220k).

If comparing to a lucrative medical field, one could be making much more than any average salary for a surgeon/physician as a managing director which is feasible in the same time frame it takes to gain acceptance to and finish a competitive residency. And as a side note, acceptance to a top B school (~20%) is much easier than a top medical school (3~5%).

 

[Mjolner]

yeah but that is actually a terrible economic decision. If you are smart/motivated enough to gain acceptance to med school, one could assume you would do reasonably well as an investment banker or some other lucrative field.

By the time graduate med school, someone in IB could have earned two years salary as an analyst (~135k including bonus), attended B school and have a starting associate salary which is comparable to an attending in an average to lower paying field (150-220k).

If comparing to a lucrative medical field, one could be making much more than any average salary for a surgeon/physician as a managing director which is feasible in the same time frame it takes to gain acceptance to and finish a competitive residency. And as a side note, acceptance to a top B school (~20%) is much easier than a top medical school (3~5%).

There are a lot of assumptions here and whenever those of us who've actually worked in the real world point out the flaws of these arguments, those who've never had to pay a mortgage always claim they know better.

Medicine$$ > business$$ for 99.99% of those in those fields.

 

[MadRadLad]

yeah but that is actually a terrible economic decision. If you are smart/motivated enough to gain acceptance to med school, one could assume you would do reasonably well as an investment banker or some other lucrative field.

By the time graduate med school, someone in IB could have earned two years salary as an analyst (~135k including bonus), attended B school and have a starting associate salary which is comparable to an attending in an average to lower paying field (150-220k).

If comparing to a lucrative medical field, one could be making much more than any average salary for a surgeon/physician as a managing director which is feasible in the same time frame it takes to gain acceptance to and finish a competitive residency. And as a side note, acceptance to a top B school (~20%) is much easier than a top medical school (3~5%).

It's a pretty gigantic jump to assume that someone who could get into med school would succeed at that level in business. I'm sure some could, but overall it takes different skillsets and aptitudes. I have some close friends who are currently working their way into that elite business tier and based on my observations it is even more cutthroat and demanding than medicine in a lot of ways.

 

[PhillyMed777]

yeah but that is actually a terrible economic decision. If you are smart/motivated enough to gain acceptance to med school, one could assume you would do reasonably well as an investment banker or some other lucrative field.

By the time graduate med school, someone in IB could have earned two years salary as an analyst (~135k including bonus), attended B school and have a starting associate salary which is comparable to an attending in an average to lower paying field (150-220k).

If comparing to a lucrative medical field, one could be making much more than any average salary for a surgeon/physician as a managing director which is feasible in the same time frame it takes to gain acceptance to and finish a competitive residency. And as a side note, acceptance to a top B school (~20%) is much easier than a top medical school (3~5%).

Let's be perfectly clear here, investment banking is MUCH harder to get into than medical school. From where I went (and it is a really good school particularly for business), only summa cum laude grads get their hands on IB jobs.

Med school however drew people that were magna, and just cum laude as well. Med school also took people who did terrible and got their act together after undergrad.

 

[Willy38]

There are a lot of assumptions here and whenever those of us who've actually worked in the real world point out the flaws of these arguments, those who've never had to pay a mortgage always claim they know better.

Medicine$$ > business$$ for 99.99% of those in those fields.

I think you're making some assumptions about me yourself, Mr mortgage payer 😉. Not claiming I know better and granted there are a lot of nuances to the business world that are quite different than medicine but the stats cited for B school compared to Med are accurate. And as far as landing an IB job, YMMV depending on undergrad attended and the bank in question.

The whole point was, if you are motivated enough to gain acceptance to Med school, you are probably talented enough to succeed in some other field without having to take out 300k in debt and go through 7-10 years of school/residency.

Sorry, didn't mean to hijack/ start a war on here.

 

[WingedOx]

And as far as landing an IB job, YMMV depending on undergrad attended and the bank in question.

The other thing to remember is that while these banking/trading jobs pay REALLY well, once you get to my age (and I'm only in my early 30s) you see a lot of people who got out of the game because after a while the money just wasn't worth the crappy work anymore, and advancement is the exception rather than the rule (including a select few of these people in just about every incoming med school class).

Sorry, didn't mean to hijack/ start a war on here.

It's not like this thread was contributing any useful information on its original topic.

 

[Willy38]

The other thing to remember is that while these banking/trading jobs pay REALLY well, once you get to my age (and I'm only in my early 30s) you see a lot of people who got out of the game because after a while the money just wasn't worth the crappy work anymore, and advancement is the exception rather than the rule (including a select few of these people in just about every incoming med school class).



It's not like this thread was contributing any useful information on its original topic.

We have some lol one of them still consults for a biopharm hedge fund on the side. He made enough in one year to pay for Med school outright. Insane money if you're in the right place at the right time.

 

[WingedOx]

We have some lol one of them still consults for a biopharm hedge fund on the side. He made enough in one year to pay for Med school outright. Insane money if you're in the right place at the right time.

Yeah, my class had a burned out I-Banker who bought a brownstone to live in during med school (if you know where I went to school, that wasn't cheap). He was in the game for a long time though. Pretty sure he was at least in his late 30s during school.

 

[libraryismyhome]

Come on guys.

I had a date with a hot cougar who was an investment banker and she paid for everything in one of the most expensive restaurants and she was so proud of herself for making so much money. Her apartment had a real nice view and she was hot and fun while we were making out and sleeping together. However, she was so proud of herself for making ton of money and that was not very appealing to me.

So it is pretty clear to me that I don't care much about the amount of money I make as long as I have enough to have a decent life. I also did not take out any loans due to being an instate, some scholarship money from this cheap state school and my parents' contribution. They saved up some money cause I paid zero dollars to undergrad. I still drive a 13 year old car and pay under $500 for rent including utilities

 

[Cytarabine]

Come on guys.

I had a date with a hot cougar who was an investment banker and she paid for everything in one of the most expensive restaurants and she was so proud of herself for making so much money. Her apartment had a real nice view and she was hot and fun while we were making out and sleeping together. However, she was so proud of herself for making ton of money and that was not very appealing to me.

So it is pretty clear to me that I don't care much about the amount of money I make as long as I have enough to have a decent life. I also did not take out any loans due to being an instate, some scholarship money from this cheap state school and my parents' contribution. They saved up some money cause I paid zero dollars to undergrad. I still drive a 13 year old car and pay under $500 for rent including utilities

maybe you forced yourself to dislike her because she balled so much harder than you eh

 

[Mjolner]

I think you're making some assumptions about me yourself, Mr mortgage payer 😉. Not claiming I know better and granted there are a lot of nuances to the business world that are quite different than medicine but the stats cited for B school compared to Med are accurate. And as far as landing an IB job, YMMV depending on undergrad attended and the bank in question.

The whole point was, if you are motivated enough to gain acceptance to Med school, you are probably talented enough to succeed in some other field without having to take out 300k in debt and go through 7-10 years of school/residency.

Sorry, didn't mean to hijack/ start a war on here.

So my assumption was correct? 🙂

The problem is that in those other fields you can be amazing and still not succeed. There is a lot of luck in those fields.

 

[Willy38]

So my assumption was correct? 🙂

The problem is that in those other fields you can be amazing and still not succeed. There is a lot of luck in those fields.

haha incorrect assumption, but I'll concede that some degree of luck is necessary in many of those fields. Luck was definitely a contributing factor for success in the field I worked in before coming to med school.

 

[Mjolner]

haha incorrect assumption, but I'll concede that some degree of luck is necessary in many of those fields. Luck was definitely a contributing factor for success in the field I worked in before coming to med school.

Drats! Foiled again! 🙂

 

[charmiedermie]

I believe the word you are looking for is "Family Doc"

He said low tier med school, not low tier of his med school class.

 

[Pinkertinkle]

Seems like an accurate list but tiers aren't really important in medicine. A good student in any of these schools can match well.

 

[mats7]

Why is Penn State on there? More than average NIH funding and pretty high stats. Great research facilities and a big city.

 

[Cytarabine]

Why is Penn State on there? More than average NIH funding and pretty high stats. Great research facilities and a big city.

Hershey is a big city?

 

[IsWhat]

A good friend of mine is in Investment Banking. He makes great money. He also works 100+ hours a week and will probably do so for the rest of his career - if he doesn't get burned out. His job is always on the line which is the most stressful thing about any high level business position.

Medicine provides a piece of mind and stability no other profession even approaches. You may never become extremely wealthy as a physician, but you will never lay in bed at night wondering if you have a job the next day - I don't think you can put a price on that.

 

[pageantry]

Medicine provides the pleasure of utility, and the option of developing some kind of expertise. Nearly everyone in big business is just spinning plates--albeit some with more panache and creativity than others.

They're really different ways of interacting with the world. But a doctor has the option to eventually incorporate both.

 

[Anicetus]

A good friend of mine is in Investment Banking. He makes great money. He also works 100+ hours a week and will probably do so for the rest of his career - if he doesn't get burned out. His job is always on the line which is the most stressful thing about any high level business position.

Medicine provides a piece of mind and stability no other profession even approaches. You may never become extremely wealthy as a physician, but you will never lay in bed at night wondering if you have a job the next day - I don't think you can put a price on that.

People keep forgetting that medicine is a stable career financially.

Everyone can talk about some dude who is making 450k modeling on instragram etc, but we tend to forget that for every guy like that there are thousands who try to do the same thing and ****ing fail. For every guy we know making millions on a start up there are 80x more who won't even hit six figures, be in debt, and suffer losses on their business gamble.... Funny we don't hear a lot about THOSE stories.

As for doctors, for every doctor making 6 figures, there's...... I don't know...EVERY ****ING doctor making 6 figures.

Lifestyle--> a totally different story. Some people are happier with less stress and less money than what medicine requires.

 

[Mjolner]

People keep forgetting that medicine is a stable career financially.

Everyone can talk about some dude who is making 450k modeling on instragram etc, but we tend to forget that for every guy like that there are thousands who try to do the same thing and ****ing fail. For every guy we know making millions on a start up there are 80x more who won't even hit six figures, be in debt, and suffer losses on their business gamble.... Funny we don't hear a lot about THOSE stories.

As for doctors, for every doctor making 6 figures, there's...... I don't know...EVERY ****ING doctor making 6 figures.

Lifestyle--> a totally different story. Some people are happier with less stress and less money than what medicine requires.

This. Exactly this.