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and how did you end up prosperous? because of all of those things our tax payer money gave you to get to this point. you can't just reap all the benefits and the shut the door behind you so that no one else can be prosperous. that's not how a fair and functioning society works

Honestly this lone wolf mentality is so contrary to the basic tenets of democratic and rational society it hurts.

What happened to plant a tree so that the next generation can enjoy it's shade to make it into chop the tree down because it's mah goddamn land!
 
Are you trying to tell me that there is not a connection between the warmongering camp and the anti-choice camp?... They're not mutually exclusive but, we're talking about about most people believing both of them.
It is ironic that on the quote above this quote you say:
"... I'm sorry, but you're going to have to talk slowly and break down where exactly you got this from because this is like a 5th level inference. You're TCAing man. You're going to have to spell out this pathway clearly."

And then go and do the exact same thing via some crazy, uninformed, unsourced, inference.
 
It is ironic that on the quote above this quote you say:
"... I'm sorry, but you're going to have to talk slowly and break down where exactly you got this from because this is like a 5th level inference. You're TCAing man. You're going to have to spell out this pathway clearly."

And then go and do the exact same thing via some crazy, uninformed, unsourced, inference.


Who votes for war more: Conservatives or Liberals?

Who votes for pro-choice?

Conservative or liberals?


Linear regression formula if you want to make your life harder is online.
 
Bingo. I think in the long run it saves taxpayer money

Money that the anti-choice people are uninterested in providing.

Hell, you want to know why Americans are so sickly? Because their mothers spend their gestation period screwing their babies with cortisol, poor diet, and etc.

Maternity and paternity leave is the right of everyone in an industrials society. Likewise is funding for healthy food, parents of children should receive food stamps for healthy supplies and nannies if necessary as is done in every industrial nation.

But what am I saying. All of that stuff is bad. In America you go back to work in a week after birthing or you say a house mommy for life.
 
and funding hungry mouths is cheaper..?
I think the true number of hungry mouths is fewer than some people think. In one of my classes we talked about "food insecurity" among various populations in the US and it seemed surprisingly high. Upon investigating the actual survey questions giving to families it involved questions like "Have you ever wanted something at the grocery store but been unable to purchase it?" Well to everyone that probably should be the case, because we all can't eat T-bones and lobster every night. My point is that I think TRUE food insecurity is unfortunate and I support programs like SNAP or WIC wholeheartedly to help these people. I don't support the taking advantage of it.

Along those same lines, it's easy to criticize conservatives for being insufferably greedy and selfish, but I think if we lowered our weapons for a second a little understanding could show that isn't the case. I live in a small, very conservative town. And to yours/guylewis' surprise people here are very altruistic. Leaders of my church are constantly meeting with families/individuals in their area (religious or not) to help them when they are out of work, injured, sick, or just plain hungry. It is very common to see people handing money to pan handlers outside of grocery stores, by the freeway, etc. I could go on with more examples, but my point is I think the problem with politics is both sides tend to paint a picture of the other that just isn't realistic. As a conservative/libertarian, I am fine with helping people in need. It's one of the greatest feelings in the world. What takes away from that is the feeling of being coerced into it by a 3rd party. Like I said, I fully support programs like SNAP, but it hurts to see them being taken advantage of because I feel like my wife and I sacrifice a lot and try very hard to live within our means (for example I got my first smart phone just a few months ago). Hopefully this helps bridge the gap a little to show where I'm coming from based on my life experiences, just as I'm sure you have yours.

It's clear I'm not going to change anyone's mind by saying any of this, but hopefully a little mutual understanding will help you and some of the others see that the picture being painted is often not as extreme as it seems. Altruism is not dead among people without government coercion.
 
And as someone who's family came over here with a thousand bucks and had to be on welfare for 3-5 years before starting a business and becoming quite rich my family is quite proud to acknowledge that the system works and that we should support others in the same way we were supported.

Please show a little humility and acknowledge that not everyone is born wealthy and everyone should have the chance to make something of themselves. If you cut abortion funding and maternal health ( which is a huge republican thing; which I as an immigrant find disgusting here since even my poor country offered mat leave) then you're dooming generations into poverty.

Where are you from? Just curious.
 
I think the true number of hungry mouths is fewer than some people think. In one of my classes we talked about "food insecurity" among various populations in the US and it seemed surprisingly high. Upon investigating the actual survey questions giving to families it involved questions like "Have you ever wanted something at the grocery store but been unable to purchase it?" Well to everyone that probably should be the case, because we all can't eat T-bones and lobster every night. My point is that I think TRUE food insecurity is unfortunate and I support programs like SNAP or WIC wholeheartedly to help these people. I don't support the taking advantage of it.

Along those same lines, it's easy to criticize conservatives for being insufferably greedy and selfish, but I think if we lowered our weapons for a second a little understanding could show that isn't the case. I live in a small, very conservative town. And to yours/guylewis' surprise people here are very altruistic. Leaders of my church are constantly meeting with families/individuals in their area (religious or not) to help them when they are out of work, injured, sick, or just plain hungry. It is very common to see people handing money to pan handlers outside of grocery stores, by the freeway, etc. I could go on with more examples, but my point is I think the problem with politics is both sides tend to paint a picture of the other that just isn't realistic. As a conservative/libertarian, I am fine with helping people in need. It's one of the greatest feelings in the world. What takes away from that is the feeling of being coerced into it by a 3rd party. Like I said, I fully support programs like SNAP, but it hurts to see them being taken advantage of because I feel like my wife and I sacrifice a lot and try very hard to live within our means (for example I got my first smart phone just a few months ago). Hopefully this helps bridge the gap a little to show where I'm coming from based on my life experiences, just as I'm sure you have yours.

It's clear I'm not going to change anyone's mind by saying any of this, but hopefully a little mutual understanding will help you and some of the others see that the picture being painted is often not as extreme as it seems. Altruism is not dead among people without government coercion.


Honey, 20% of children in this country go to bed hungry.

Let abortion rights to be revoked and chances are this number won't change... But the parental number will because they'll be dying in back allays.
 
And as someone who's family came over here with a thousand bucks and had to be on welfare for 3-5 years before starting a business and becoming quite rich my family is quite proud to acknowledge that the system works and that we should support others in the same way we were supported.

Please show a little humility and acknowledge that not everyone is born wealthy and everyone should have the chance to make something of themselves. If you cut abortion funding and maternal health ( which is a huge republican thing; which I as an immigrant find disgusting here since even my poor country offered mat leave) then you're dooming generations into poverty.

Nobody is saying cut maternal health. As someone wanting to go into medicine, I sincerely believe that everyone should be aware of contraception and the various methods available to them. If educators are smart, they should also teach abstinence. You know what my parents told me when I wanted to have sex? They explained how much a baby costs to feed, what our religion said about it (answer was no) and asked me if I would risk it and face the consequences. I decided that the risk was not worth it and I am dealing with the consequences now.

What I will not do is have my tax dollars go to the killing of unborn children and sit silent as the liberal college conglomerate champion it as "women's reproductive rights".

I was raised to believe that actions have consequences. The same goes for sexual health. I don't expect people to pay for my extra curricular activities, and neither should you.
 
Honey, 20% of children in this country go to bed hungry.

Let abortion rights to be revoked and chances are this number won't change... But the parental number will because they'll be dying in back allays.
I'm glad you just pissed all over my attempt to be civil and understand your side, as well as ask for you to understand mine. Did you even read my post? Calm down man, I'm not trying to incite argument here
 
I'm glad you just pissed all over my attempt to be civil and understand your side, as well as for you to understand mine. Did you even read my post? Calm down man, I'm not trying to incite argument here

I wasn't pissing all over that. I think charity is very virtuous. I just don't believe that on a large scale like a nation this should work.

It's akin to tipping. It's more civilized to just pay them a livable salary instead and include tip in the food prices.


But I apologize for jumping the gun a bit on your comment. I think you're being a little bit more reasonable than others on this thread.
 
Who votes for war more: Conservatives or Liberals?

Who votes for pro-choice?

Conservative or liberals?


Linear regression formula if you want to make your life harder is online.
Please provide figures to back your claims. Best as I can tell, of the official military actions the USA has taken, the majority were voted in by democrats. There's a lot of little conflicts here and there, so it's hard to tell based on hard numbers who has initiated more executive actions, but it wouldn't surprise me if the result was similar. So far as the feelings of the American public, Republicans are more concerned with national security, which is not equal to war. Our current wars were initiated by Republicans, but Obama has had, what, 6 effing years to get our troops completely withdrawn and hasn't done so. Based on the voting records though, Democrats have initiated more wars than republicans to answer your first question. Pro-life is obviously a more conservative thing, but not all conservatives fall in that camp- 27% are pro-choice. Stahp painting people with a broad brush, you're practicing the very divisiveness and judgmental attitudes that liberals are supposed to despise.
 
Please provide figures to back your claims. Best as I can tell, of the official military actions the USA has taken, the majority were voted in by democrats. There's a lot of little conflicts here and there, so it's hard to tell based on hard numbers who has initiated more executive actions, but it wouldn't surprise me if the result was similar. So far as the feelings of the American public, Republicans are more concerned with national security, which is not equal to war. Our current wars were initiated by Republicans, but Obama has had, what, 6 effing years to get our troops completely withdrawn and hasn't done so. Based on the voting records though, Democrats have initiated more wars than republicans to answer your first question. Pro-life is obviously a more conservative thing, but not all conservatives fall in that camp- 27% are pro-choice. Stahp painting people with a broad brush, you're practicing the very divisiveness and judgmental attitudes that liberals are supposed to despise.

Historically let's go back through the last 50 years and count things up.

But anyway, this convo isn't about abortion. It's about an online school getting a DO school.
 
I wasn't pissing all over that. I think charity is very virtuous. I just don't believe that on a large scale like a nation this should work.

It's akin to tipping. It's more civilized to just pay them a livable salary instead and include tip in the food prices.


But I apologize for jumping the gun a bit on your comment. I think you're being a little bit more reasonable than others on this thread.
Uh... Most people I know that work tipped jobs make bank compared to those in the service industry that don't. Tipping exists because it's a win-win-win. They get more money if they provide good service, people get to pay for quality service provided while also paying less for their meals than they would pay if wages were higher, and businesses have lower overhead so they can expand faster and hire more employees.
 
Historically let's go back through the last 50 years and count things up.


But anyway, this convo isn't about abortion. It's about an online school getting a DO school.
I obviously loathe the idea of LUCOM, but dude, you're the one who dragged Republican/Democrat BS into this debate, not me. Republicans aren't all the same. Democrats aren't all the same. LUCOM is a neocon institution, not a traditional republican one. Don't paint all Republicans as neocons and bible thumping Christians, that's ignorant as hell.
 
Uh... Most people I know that work tipped jobs make bank compared to those in the service industry that don't. Tipping exists because it's a win-win-win. They get more money if they provide good service, people get to pay for quality service provided while also paying less for their meals than they would pay if wages were higher, and businesses have lower overhead so they can expand faster and hire more employees.

I don't not tip just because I pay them a salary. Just in the same I pay charity despite paying taxes.
 
I obviously loathe the idea of LUCOM, but dude, you're the one who dragged Republican/Democrat BS into this debate, not me. Republicans aren't all the same. Democrats aren't all the same. LUCOM is a neocon institution, not a traditional republican one. Don't paint all Republicans as neocons and bible thumping Christians, that's ignorant as hell.

It was already implicitly soaking before I even opened my mouth.

But like I said. Let's return to the topic of LUCOM.
 
I wasn't pissing all over that. I think charity is very virtuous. I just don't believe that on a large scale like a nation this should work.

It's akin to tipping. It's more civilized to just pay them a livable salary instead and include tip in the food prices.


But I apologize for jumping the gun a bit on your comment. I think you're being a little bit more reasonable than others on this thread.
Exactly, it wouldn't work on such a large scale which is why state and local governments should be more free to devise their own plans which works for them. Here in small-town USA low taxes would work just fine. Urban areas that want sky high taxes, go for that if that's what people want.

A valid argument to bring up tipping, but wouldn't you want to reward the server who is on the spot with everything vs. the dickhead who you see once the whole meal? I waited tables for a long time and felt like I did a dang good job, so I would be pissed if the crappy waiters made the same as me.
 
I don't not tip just because I pay them a salary. Just in the same I pay charity despite paying taxes.
Yes, but in countries where those waiting tables and working bars in which they are paid a living wage, tips are not customary. It's supposed to be an either/or. If you're paying them more money AND expecing that people pay a tip, you've just increased the cost of the food substantially, as well as throwing an expectation of extra money for a tip on top of it. This makes less people be able to afford eating out or engaging in whatever other tip-based activity it is in the first place, hurting the business and limiting the number of people that can afford the business' service.

I see your agenda. You just want less poor people in your restaurants! :bored: *sarcasm*
 
Please provide figures to back your claims. Best as I can tell, of the official military actions the USA has taken, the majority were voted in by democrats. There's a lot of little conflicts here and there, so it's hard to tell based on hard numbers who has initiated more executive actions, but it wouldn't surprise me if the result was similar. So far as the feelings of the American public, Republicans are more concerned with national security, which is not equal to war. Our current wars were initiated by Republicans, but Obama has had, what, 6 effing years to get our troops completely withdrawn and hasn't done so. Based on the voting records though, Democrats have initiated more wars than republicans to answer your first question. Pro-life is obviously a more conservative thing, but not all conservatives fall in that camp- 27% are pro-choice. Stahp painting people with a broad brush, you're practicing the very divisiveness and judgmental attitudes that liberals are supposed to despise.
democrats and republicans switched between who was liberal and conservative back around the Teddy Roosevelt days (and the Dixiecrats of the south during the civil rights era are their own breed of democrats that identified and voted with republicans e.g. Strom Thurmond) so it's not worth comparing prior to TR's presidency. however there have been wars under democrats. some pretty big wars actually: Kennedy had the Bay of Pigs, Vietnam under Johnson, Truman had the Korean War, FDR had WW2, Woodrow Wilson had WW1. but neoconservatism is definitely vile and reprehensible and we can thank them for Iraq (part 1 and 2) and a whole slew of secret and small scale conflicts around the world
 
democrats and republicans switched between who was liberal and conservative back around the Teddy Roosevelt days (and the Dixiecrats of the south during the civil rights era are their own breed of democrats that identified and voted with republicans e.g. Strom Thurmond) so it's not worth comparing prior to TR's presidency. however there have been wars under democrats. some pretty big wars actually: Kennedy had the Bay of Pigs, Vietnam under Johnson, Truman had the Korean War, FDR had WW2, Woodrow Wilson had WW1. but neoconservatism is definitely vile and reprehensible and we can thank them for Iraq (part 1 and 2) and a whole slew of secret and small scale conflicts around the world
I'll take those small conflicts over like, another Vietnam, Korea, or World War. Would prefer we just packed all our gear up and stayed home for a while, but with China all up in our friends' business in the South China Sea, we gotta represent...
 
democrats and republicans switched between who was liberal and conservative back around the Teddy Roosevelt days (and the Dixiecrats of the south during the civil rights era are their own breed of democrats that identified and voted with republicans e.g. Strom Thurmond) so it's not worth comparing prior to TR's presidency. however there have been wars under democrats. some pretty big wars actually: Kennedy had the Bay of Pigs, Vietnam under Johnson, Truman had the Korean War, FDR had WW2, Woodrow Wilson had WW1. but neoconservatism is definitely vile and reprehensible and we can thank them for Iraq (part 1 and 2) and a whole slew of secret and small scale conflicts around the world
Oh, also, the Persian Gulf War was authorized by a Democratic Congress, btw, not a Republican one. Just thought you should know. Just because Bush was in office doesn't mean it was his war alone.
 
I'll take those small conflicts over like, another Vietnam, Korea, or World War. Would prefer we just packed all our gear up and stayed home for a while, but with China all up in our friends' business in the South China Sea, we gotta represent...
could be argued that those smaller scale conflicts (like training and equipping Bin Laden in Afghanistan to fight the Soviets) have lead us to the "war on terror" and 9/11. I'd prefer none of the above myself
 
Look, we've had our 30 minutes. It's time to hug and Bonobo and return to LUCOM.
 
could be argued that those smaller scale conflicts (like training and equipping Bin Laden in Afghanistan to fight the Soviets) have lead us to the "war on terror" and 9/11. I'd prefer none of the above myself
The messes we're in overseas are largely a result of prior CIA actions, not Republican ones. Believe it or not, the military and national security institutions (which are largely composed of ex-military men and women) of this country aren't overwhelmingly conservative, nor have they ever been.
 
Look, we've had our 30 minutes. It's time to hug and Bonobo and return to LUCOM.
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Fiiiiiiiine.
 
Nobody is saying cut maternal health. As someone wanting to go into medicine, I sincerely believe that everyone should be aware of contraception and the various methods available to them. If educators are smart, they should also teach abstinence. You know what my parents told me when I wanted to have sex? They explained how much a baby costs to feed, what our religion said about it (answer was no) and asked me if I would risk it and face the consequences. I decided that the risk was not worth it and I am dealing with the consequences now.

What I will not do is have my tax dollars go to the killing of unborn children and sit silent as the liberal college conglomerate champion it as "women's reproductive rights".

I was raised to believe that actions have consequences. The same goes for sexual health. I don't expect people to pay for my extra curricular activities, and neither should you.
I think making abortion illegal in all cases will make people go thru extreme measures that will jeopardize their lives to have an abortion anyway. I heard it is already happening in TX because there are reports of women crossing the border to go to Mexico to buy cytotec--an unlabeled pill that induces abortion.
 
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Ok I skimmed this thread and here is what I am wondering:
Although my beliefs do not directly align with this school I do not think it would be an impossible environment for me, I will just put those dance lessons on hold...
the main thing that concerns me is living with a significant other, I am getting my parents to warm up to the idea and now I have a school administration to worry about? Can anyone confirm that you 100% cannot live with a non-spouse significant other?
 
Ok I skimmed this thread and here is what I am wondering:
Although my beliefs do not directly align with this school I do not think it would be an impossible environment for me, I will just put those dance lessons on hold...
the main thing that concerns me is living with a significant other, I am getting my parents to warm up to the idea and now I have a school administration to worry about? Can anyone confirm that you 100% cannot live with a non-spouse significant other?
email lucom, there will be different rules for the med school and the undergrad and by emailing them you have their answer in writing which is your defense if they waffle later
 
Those stats are higher than I thought it would be but it makes sense. In both Allo and Osteo there has been an increase in number of applicants and not much wait list movement. It's purely anecdotal, but I remember how PCOM-Ga said that they received a 12% increase for their class and it isn't exactly the "top DO" school in the US so you can imagine PCOM, TCOM and such being worse. Also, since it has been a slow season for allo wait list movement and whatnot (once again, anecdotal, but we'll see how it all went down once the stats come out), more people are staying with their DO acceptance. And since deposits are high for DO, you don't really have much wait list movement catalysts since people are pickier with their $1,000+ deposits.

The only thing is I hope they match well after the students put in all the hard work needed for medical school.
 
And since deposits are high for DO, you don't really have much wait list movement catalysts since people are pickier with their $1,000+ deposits.

qft, I cancelled 8 DO interviews after writing a $1500 check in September
 
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