LUCOM's Board Scores for COMLEX I?

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I've tried looking for this and can't seem to find it anywhere. I believe that the inaugural class has already taken COMLEX I. Anyone have an idea of how that class did on the boards?
 
Hmm okay thanks for your reply @Goro
Can anyone on SDN comment (honestly and objectively) about LUCOM's curriculum?
I was offered an II there and just trying to learn more about the program.
 
Their curriculum is the same as most other COMs. It's an integrated, systems-based lecture with small group discussions and PBL elements sprinkled in. As far as the II, you should definitely go if you are interested in attending LUCOM. Read around and do your due diligence on LUCOM though, the curriculum is the least controversial thing about them.
 
hexane19 said:
Hmm okay thanks for your reply @Goro
Can anyone on SDN comment (honestly and objectively) about LUCOM's curriculum?
I was offered an II there and just trying to learn more about the program.
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You'll learn how to brainwash your female patients into making pro-life decisions and your gay patients into conversion therapies.
 
i dont think the average person will be 'brainwashed,' influenced a little would be more reasonable. you make it sound so easy. We are talking about grown people, not children. To make a point I doubt either of you, for example, would get brain washed if you attended.
 
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You'll learn how to brainwash your female patients into making pro-life decisions and your gay patients into conversion therapies.
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No kidding! You might think this poster was joking, but the disappointing reality is that this is true!

Although I had read a lot about LUCOM on SDN, I was skeptical of what people posted online, so I went to an interview at LUCOM with an open mind to see what this school was all about. I had 2 interviews with 2 faculty members - one was fantastic and asked personal questions to know me better; the other... that's what gave me the most insight into LUCOM.

This interviewer asked me about my stance on Planned Parenthood & abortion. He asked me "why does life have value?", and after I gave my answer, he said: "Life has value because it is god's gift..." Then he asked about abortion, and after I gave my answer which considered both sides of the debate and then stated my pro-choice view, he said things like, "We [ LUCOM people ] are pro-life ... If life has value then why is abortion justified? A few-week-old fetus has arms and legs, too. ... Life is god's gift; we are born in god's image, and a few-celled embryo is also god's image... etc." And according to him, an embryo that is comprises of a few cells is a "human life" and it's wrong to abort it. I must say that the definition of "life" is up to lots of philosophical debates. But the interviewer didn't simply make a debate about life or abortion; he literally made it obvious to me that he believed that my views were "wrong" (to him) and his was the "right" view. I would welcome a philosophical debate, but his reasons for supporting his view were solely based on religious faith. I find that frustrating.
And that's ALL that that interview was about. He didn't even ask questions to get to know me. ALL he asked was abortion stance.
I felt that the purpose of the interview was SOLELY to filter out candidates who are NOT pro-life or Christian. He also said that the curriculum teaches pro-life, and "students who were pro-choice" in their class "hated it".
Overall he made me feel that at least he (or LUCOM in general) does not tolerate any viewpoints that are different from theirs - no matter how much they promote "open-mindedness" and "respect" and "acceptance" at this school. I know by now that they do NOT accept anything different from their views. To imagine that graduates of this school will go on and tell patients that "a few cells are a human life, and abortion is murder..." is terrifying.

About his question about my opinion about Planned Parenthood (an organization) and what I thought about "the videos that showed members of this organization selling human fetus' body parts"... Truth is, those videos were proven fake already. It's all but a plan to defund/defame Planned Parenthood... But I doubt that the interviewer researched that. I felt extremely frustrated because I know that I cannot be in an environment where the educator didn't even care to research EVIDENCE before he discussed an issue.

Everything that I say here is what I have said directly to LUCOM's admission committee (not exactly in this manner) after my interview - so I'm not making stuff up to talk badly behind anyone's back.

My visit to LUCOM has proven that everything that is said on SDN about LUCOM (both positive and negative) is true.

If you are having an interview at LUCOM, the ONLY advice I can give is that you'll have to LIE about your pro-choice stance (if you happen to have this stance) to be perceived favorably there.
 
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Hmm can any other students OBJECTIVELY comment about the quality of the education there? My only fear is the eventual match rates from LUCOM. I'm really on the fence about this interview.
 
Look, this isn't that complicated. LUCOM doesn't have board scores. They won't publicly publish their average until maybe Mayish. If you're dreaming of being a surgeon, skip this school. If you want to be a family practice physician or pediatrician and practice in Virginia, this school will get you there. I'd be skeptical of the above mentioned post regarding the bad interview. LUCOM has some solid people behind it like Dr. Morrison (previous administrator of UNT), Dr. Joseph Brewer (microbiology professor; his lab at the University of South Alabama received a huge grant from the Cancer Research Fund a few years ago), and Dr. Leonard (previous faculty at West Virginia). These people are not idiots. They wouldn't leave their comfortable faculty positions at other schools/hospitals to start working for a school they didn't see any hope for a future.
Now, also, to be fair, all these professors were also attracted to the mission of the school. The school does have a very specific, distinct mission. If you don't fit with the mission, don't apply because you will be miserable. LUCOM wants to attract and train students to live their Christian faith through their professions as healers. If that doesn't sound like you, then skip. If you love Jesus and if you want Him to be the center of your ministry as a healer, then sign up, because you will be getting a decent education and (potentially) practice in a beautiful state.
 
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Henry101 said:
Look, this isn't that complicated. LUCOM doesn't have board scores. They won't publicly publish their average until maybe Mayish. If you're dreaming of being a surgeon, skip this school. If you want to be a family practice physician or pediatrician and practice in Virginia, this school will get you there. I'd be skeptical of the above mentioned post regarding the bad interview. LUCOM has some solid people behind it like Dr. Morrison (previous administrator of UNT), Dr. Joseph Brewer (microbiology professor; his lab at the University of South Alabama received a huge grant from the Cancer Research Fund a few years ago), and Dr. Leonard (previous faculty at West Virginia). These people are not idiots. They wouldn't leave their comfortable faculty positions at other schools/hospitals to start working for a school they didn't see any hope for a future.
Now, also, to be fair, all these professors were also attracted to the mission of the school. The school does have a very specific, distinct mission. If you don't fit with the mission, don't apply because you will be miserable. LUCOM wants to attract and train students to live their Christian faith through their professions as healers. If that doesn't sound like you, then skip. If you love Jesus and if you want Him to be the center of your ministry as a healer, then sign up, because you will be getting a decent education and (potentially) practice in a beautiful state.
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After my interview, my take was that the curriculum is solid and their facilities are fantastic. That being said, as a woman, the faculty and staff made me increasingly uncomfortable as the day wore on (and I didn't even have any political stances they would object to, so that wasn't the issue). The other male applicants didn't seem to have any problems.
 
Honestly this scares me http://forums.studentdoctor.net/thr...current-students.1133917/page-2#post-16545645

MsCritique said:
so.... this is a bit different from my previous posts. These comments are related to the culture of LUCOM and not to its academics etc.

A warning to current applicants. If you get accepted into many schools, then go to another school. Only come here if it's your only acceptance and you really want to be a doctor. This school has many very religious professors and equally religious students who like to voice their close minded opinions. Alot of the students here live in a bubble, they have no real concept of diversity...other cultures and other religions. They just know what they read on social media and maybe the news ever so often.

We just recently had a review of one of our exams with a controversial exam question. The question went something like this: "A Christian woman comes into your office and is distressed that she is attracted to the same sex. She is convinced that she is not attracted to the opposite sex. As a primary physician, what would be your plan of action?" This question was exploring gender identity issues (a lecture that we had previously).

The correct answer choice was "to steer the patient towards Holiness...." I am not kidding...this was an answer choice...the correct answer choice. other answer choices that were wrong included "explore her sexual history to find out exactly when this event occurred" and other more plausible "boards type" answer choices...that were wrong according to the professor who made it (Dr. Linda Mintle...you guys should google her and tell me what u think). The majority of the students did not choose this "holiness" answer and there was a big debate during the exam review. The outcome? The professors vehemently argued that the answer was correct and refused to allow other answer choices. One of them even got loud and offended that we were "discriminating" against christians. You gotta be ****ing kidding me right?

Also, LUCOM has its own facebook page for its students...and let me tell you what a riot that is. Only positive PG things are to be posted. Anything controversial is asked by professors and the "higher ups" to be deleted. A few students had posted controversial issues like the race wars in Ferguson, Baltimore and New York City and also comments about that ridiculous exam question....and these were taken down. Basically LUCOM puts up this upbeat, positive, eeerily happy facade that was only revealed until now. This school's faculty is very two faced and judgemental.

So. If you are very religious and Christian and like to be told what to do and how to act and to never question anyone... then come here. LUCOM has eyes and ears everywhere.
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ALL OMSII DO students will be taking COMLEX in June/July of 2016. Their scores will not be available as an aggregate until late August of 2016. Given what I have read in these pages, from PMs fro LUCOM students, and from the knowledge of LUCOM's avg stats, I predict that their pass rate and their avg COMLEX scores will be at the bottom in the nation. Time will tell.

Look, this isn't that complicated. LUCOM doesn't have board scores. They won't publicly publish their average until maybe Mayish.


I strongly recommend SDNers to go the LUCOM Faculty web pages and judge for themselves.
LUCOM has some solid people behind it like Dr. Morrison (previous administrator of UNT), Dr. Joseph Brewer (microbiology professor; his lab at the University of South Alabama received a huge grant from the Cancer Research Fund a few years ago), and Dr. Leonard (previous faculty at West Virginia). These people are not idiots. They wouldn't leave their comfortable faculty positions at other schools/hospitals to start working for a school they didn't see any hope for a future.
 
Hey everyone, I know this is an older thread, but I'm a third year at LUCOM, and got a 584 on my COMLEX- I. There's no class average as of yet because many are still waiting for scores to be released, but all of my classmates have so far been very happy with their scores. Hope this helps, and I'm happy to answer any questions I can.
 
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RurouniKarly said:
After my interview, my take was that the curriculum is solid and their facilities are fantastic. That being said, as a woman, the faculty and staff made me increasingly uncomfortable as the day wore on (and I didn't even have any political stances they would object to, so that wasn't the issue). The other male applicants didn't seem to have any problems.
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What does this even mean?...


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KBridg said:
Hey everyone, I know this is an older thread, but I'm a third year at LUCOM, and just got a 584 on my COMLEX- I. There's no class average as of yet because many are still waiting for scores to be released, but all of my classmates have so far been very happy with their scores. Hope this helps, and I'm happy to answer any questions I can.
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Will you keep us posted when the average score gets posted?
 
kelminak said:
Will you keep us posted when the average score gets posted?
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Sure. All in all I have had a great experience at LUCOM, and I feel like I'm getting a great education here. All the posts about intolerance are flat out false. I doubt there's any other school in the country where the faculty and staff care so much about you.
 
I knew when I saw LUCOM in the thread title that Goro could be found somewhere in here. I actually think @Goro sits on the admissions committee there 😆😆😆😆😆











^that was a kind hearted joke goro
 
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I attended the interview, I thought the facilities were great. They had received their first COMLEX scores and they apparently were excellent.

For what it's worth, I believe that in terms of the success of a Medical program, the money they have plays a large part. LUCOM has boatloads of money and have invested TONS of it into their facilities and curriculum. I don't doubt that LUCOM will be a good school with a dose of Christianity. If you can handle that, then attend the interview. If not, I can't recommend going because you won't feel right there anyways.

Take EVERYTHING you read here with a large block of salt. This is the same forums that denounced RVU over and over again until they showed they were one of the best DO schools in the country. Go see for yourself whether LUCOM is right for you, don't listen to other people.

Edit: To clarify, I am incredibly appreciative of this website and the contributions that people like Goro make to the forums. You guys are an incredible lot to volunteer your time helping other people find out what they need to do to become doctors. I simply respectfully disagree with the practice of judging a school's curriculum without solid proof of its failure. As people immersed in the sciences we should be skeptical of anecdotal evidence.
 
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Idk if a low 80s pass rate on a year where the pass rate was a 95% is excellent.

We denounced RVU because it was the first medical school in nearly a century to be for profit. We accepted it when we saw that despite its for-profit status it was training students well and they were matching well.
LUCOM is not RVU.
 
I get it, LUCOM is not RVU. All I'm advocating is a "wait and see" approach. We'll have some actual info on them soon. There's no need to rip the school apart based on hearsay.
 
Goro said:
ALL OMSII DO students will be taking COMLEX in June/July of 2016. Their scores will not be available as an aggregate until late August of 2016. Given what I have read in these pages, from PMs fro LUCOM students, and from the knowledge of LUCOM's avg stats, I predict that their pass rate and their avg COMLEX scores will be at the bottom in the nation. Time will tell.

Look, this isn't that complicated. LUCOM doesn't have board scores. They won't publicly publish their average until maybe Mayish.


I strongly recommend SDNers to go the LUCOM Faculty web pages and judge for themselves.
LUCOM has some solid people behind it like Dr. Morrison (previous administrator of UNT), Dr. Joseph Brewer (microbiology professor; his lab at the University of South Alabama received a huge grant from the Cancer Research Fund a few years ago), and Dr. Leonard (previous faculty at West Virginia). These people are not idiots. They wouldn't leave their comfortable faculty positions at other schools/hospitals to start working for a school they didn't see any hope for a future.
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Lol sorry man our but our pass rate was 88.9%

Sorry you're so bitter. Hope you find some peace
 
ugh2802 said:
Lol sorry man our but our pass rate was 88.9%

Sorry you're so bitter. Hope you find some peace
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Is that 88.9% the first time pass rate or the eventual pass rate? Either way, 88.9% would concern me if I had applied to LUCOM.
 
First time pass rate. Per NBOME's website, the avg first-time pass rate in 2013 was 90.6%

For a first class, 88.9% is pretty impressive


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rationality said:
No kidding! You might think this poster was joking, but the disappointing reality is that this is true!

Although I had read a lot about LUCOM on SDN, I was skeptical of what people posted online, so I went to an interview at LUCOM with an open mind to see what this school was all about. I had 2 interviews with 2 faculty members - one was fantastic and asked personal questions to know me better; the other... that's what gave me the most insight into LUCOM.

This interviewer asked me about my stance on Planned Parenthood & abortion. He asked me "why does life have value?", and after I gave my answer, he said: "Life has value because it is god's gift..." Then he asked about abortion, and after I gave my answer which considered both sides of the debate and then stated my pro-choice view, he said things like, "We [ LUCOM people ] are pro-life ... If life has value then why is abortion justified? A few-week-old fetus has arms and legs, too. ... Life is god's gift; we are born in god's image, and a few-celled embryo is also god's image... etc." And according to him, an embryo that is comprises of a few cells is a "human life" and it's wrong to abort it. I must say that the definition of "life" is up to lots of philosophical debates. But the interviewer didn't simply make a debate about life or abortion; he literally made it obvious to me that he believed that my views were "wrong" (to him) and his was the "right" view. I would welcome a philosophical debate, but his reasons for supporting his view were solely based on religious faith. I find that frustrating.
And that's ALL that that interview was about. He didn't even ask questions to get to know me. ALL he asked was abortion stance.
I felt that the purpose of the interview was SOLELY to filter out candidates who are NOT pro-life or Christian. He also said that the curriculum teaches pro-life, and "students who were pro-choice" in their class "hated it".
Overall he made me feel that at least he (or LUCOM in general) does not tolerate any viewpoints that are different from theirs - no matter how much they promote "open-mindedness" and "respect" and "acceptance" at this school. I know by now that they do NOT accept anything different from their views. To imagine that graduates of this school will go on and tell patients that "a few cells are a human life, and abortion is murder..." is terrifying.

About his question about my opinion about Planned Parenthood (an organization) and what I thought about "the videos that showed members of this organization selling human fetus' body parts"... Truth is, those videos were proven fake already. It's all but a plan to defund/defame Planned Parenthood... But I doubt that the interviewer researched that. I felt extremely frustrated because I know that I cannot be in an environment where the educator didn't even care to research EVIDENCE before he discussed an issue.

Everything that I say here is what I have said directly to LUCOM's admission committee (not exactly in this manner) after my interview - so I'm not making stuff up to talk badly behind anyone's back.

My visit to LUCOM has proven that everything that is said on SDN about LUCOM (both positive and negative) is true.

If you are having an interview at LUCOM, the ONLY advice I can give is that you'll have to LIE about your pro-choice stance (if you happen to have this stance) to be perceived favorably there.
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This interview synopsis paints a bleak picture in my mind. LUCOM sounds like a cult to me. Some people belong to cults and they are happy, but if you believe in independent thought, LUCOM will not be the place for you. LUCOM's first time COMLEX pass rates would not be the deciding favor in my mind. As a benchmark, RVU's first time COMLEX pass rate for their initial class was only 83.7%. Initial DO school classes tend to be less competitive, and as the school ramps up it's applicant pool, new matriculants tend to be more competitive academically. LUCOM may be perfectly fine for the few, just make sure you are one of the few before you decide to go there.
 
Goro said:
That sucks for a pass rate.

Implies avg score is also poor
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I agree those scores suck (LUCOM is undeniably the worst DO school in the country), but I wouldn't be talking, Goro. The first time pass rate for your students this past year was 91.4% (below the national average. Heck, your school has been below the national average 7 times in the last 9 years), yet you've been around over 15 years longer. Your schools ability to pass 2 more students than lowely LUCOM is just sad.
 
Our schools numbers are much better than those. ...you are thinking I'm elsewhere.

I'm in a foul mood tonight and retract my previous statement. Pass rates for new schools are typically in the 80s. But it does put them in the lowest quintile.

Is my school on the top? Not yet, but we're close. The top schools fudge their numbers by delaying their worse students.
 
LUCOM is shaping up to be a great school. Don't let the haters get to you. These numbers are excellent for an inaugural class. As usual, the only criticisms against the school are based on personal bias against the school's religious foundations and parent institution. It's no big secret that if you're not Christian, you probably shouldn't go there, and the school does actively screen people who won't fit its mission. Sorry if you don't like that.
 
A massive attrition rate for the OMSI's and Faculty who don't know what they're doing also get my goat.

I'll give kudos to the LU students who recently gave Der Trumppenfuher a big thumbs down, though.


zero0 said:
LUCOM is shaping up to be a great school. Don't let the haters get to you. These numbers are excellent for an inaugural class. As usual, the only criticisms against the school are based on personal bias against the school's religious foundations and parent institution. It's no big secret that if you're not Christian, you probably shouldn't go there, and the school does actively screen people who won't fit its mission. Sorry if you don't like that.
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Goro said:
A massive attrition rate for the OMSI's and Faculty who don't know what they're doing also get my goat.

I'll give kudos to the LU students who recently gave Der Trumppenfuher a big thumbs down, though.
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I'll admit some of the faculty aren't great, but name one school that doesn't have a few subpar PhDs in the mix.

Pretty sure we've already had the conversation about the attrition rates floating around SDN being inaccurate. I say one thing, someone without any firsthand exposure to the school or direct contact with the administration says another, round and round we go, and in the end we all lose for even engaging in the conversation. Not again, no sir.
 
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