Lying to get summer employment?

[bostonguy]

Hey guys,
So apparently my friends tell that that no one will hire you for the summer (especially hospitals) before or after your first year of medical school knowing you are going to med school and really just looking for summer work. I applied to two jobs and already realized that, but doesn't anyone find it innately wrong to lie and say you will work full-time? It is a horrible system that med students who could use the money more than most, can't get it; and, moreover, that places are turning down overly competent and motivated help.

My friend has applied stating he plans to work full-time and then says he will just quit in August, so do you guys feel this is okay and will have no long-term ramifications (especially if you want to apply to that hospital down the road for residency)?

Thanks for your input.

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[DarkWingDuck]

Hey guys,
So apparently my friends tell that that no one will hire you for the summer (especially hospitals) before or after your first year of medical school knowing you are going to med school and really just looking for summer work. I applied to two jobs and already realized that, but doesn't anyone find it innately wrong to lie and say you will work full-time? It is a horrible system that med students who could use the money more than most, can't get it; and, moreover, that places are turning down overly competent and motivated help.

My friend has applied stating he plans to work full-time and then says he will just quit in August, so do you guys feel this is okay and will have no long-term ramifications (especially if you want to apply to that hospital down the road for residency)?

Thanks for your input.

Screw 'em, all you're entitled to is 2 weeks notice. Though I wouldn't do it somewhere that you might want to apply to down the road.

 

[goinverted]

I don't know your back ground or work ethic, but the last four years I have worked only in the summer doing sales. I usually earn plenty enough to not have to work for the rest of the year. It's hard work over the summer and you may have to fly out west, like AZ, CA, or TX, but our average rep made $22,500 last summer in 3 1/2 months. I have done it for a while now so I have hopefully improved and I made 56,000 last summer. Let me know if you are really interested and I could give you more details.

 

[tigress]

What kind of sales??? 😕 😎

 

[JayQuah]

What kind of sales??? 😕 😎

easy, tigress. Lets keep it clean and legal.

 

[tigress]

Yeah, for sure. But I really am curious. That's good money!

 

[gujuDoc]

Yeah, for sure. But I really am curious. That's good money!

Might be that whole new e-commerce thing.

I had gone to this Indian guys house with one of my friends, and they gave a whole presentation about e-commerce. Supposedly, you do sales of different sort of stuff over the internet through a website called quickstar and after a few years you are making a huge amount of money while being your own boss. That was the gist of what I got from it. A friend of mine is doing that right now.

 

[oneaat]

it's only lying if they flat-out ask you for a certain amount of time commitment. and even then, it's only a problem if they actually make you sign a contract stipulating that amount of time. i wouldn't advise doing it at a hospital/medical related job, but for an office job in another industry, go ahead. think of it this way - they will feel no qualms about terminating you in 3 months (or less) for even the most spurious reasons. it's not the company's business to look out for you and make you happy, so likewise, it's not your business to make them happy. all you have to do is show up, do your job and give them whatever notice they require at the end of the summer.

(can you tell i've recently been screwed by corporate america? 🙂

 

[goinverted]

It's totally legal. The first summer that I sold I was selling home security systems, the last three years I sold pest control accounts, and I am now selling Dish network. Same money in all three industries, just a preference of the market I want to sell to and where I want to go. It is door to door, but honestly it isn't bad at all. Especially when you consistantly bring home 300-400 buck a day. It makes the job bearable.

 

[funshine]

It's totally legal. The first summer that I sold I was selling home security systems, the last three years I sold pest control accounts, and I am now selling Dish network. Same money in all three industries, just a preference of the market I want to sell to and where I want to go. It is door to door, but honestly it isn't bad at all. Especially when you consistantly bring home 300-400 buck a day. It makes the job bearable.

Sign me up! I'm sure my extensive experience selling girl-scout cookies will come in handy.

Btw, do you sell to people you know, or to strangers only? I remember my parents driving across town to foreign neighborhoods so I wouldn't be "bothering" any nice people we knew. 🙄

 

[dr.z]

It's totally legal. The first summer that I sold I was selling home security systems, the last three years I sold pest control accounts, and I am now selling Dish network. Same money in all three industries, just a preference of the market I want to sell to and where I want to go. It is door to door, but honestly it isn't bad at all. Especially when you consistantly bring home 300-400 buck a day. It makes the job bearable.

That's impressive!

 

[inflamesdjk02]

It's totally legal. The first summer that I sold I was selling home security systems, the last three years I sold pest control accounts, and I am now selling Dish network. Same money in all three industries, just a preference of the market I want to sell to and where I want to go. It is door to door, but honestly it isn't bad at all. Especially when you consistantly bring home 300-400 buck a day. It makes the job bearable.

that is, dare i say ... BRILLIANT!!!

now i'll have to go drink some guinness tonight, look what you've done...

 

[kskuwik]

Hey guys,
So apparently my friends tell that that no one will hire you for the summer (especially hospitals) before or after your first year of medical school knowing you are going to med school and really just looking for summer work. I applied to two jobs and already realized that, but doesn't anyone find it innately wrong to lie and say you will work full-time? It is a horrible system that med students who could use the money more than most, can't get it; and, moreover, that places are turning down overly competent and motivated help.

My friend has applied stating he plans to work full-time and then says he will just quit in August, so do you guys feel this is okay and will have no long-term ramifications (especially if you want to apply to that hospital down the road for residency)?

Thanks for your input.

I applied last summer for two research jobs and was turned down because I told them I would be going to medical school in a year. It really sucked because I couldn't find a research position the entire summer. Finally at the end of the summer I was able to get an interview with Cargill in their research and development department. During my interview they asked me what my plans for the future would be. I told them I would like to continue my education, but would like to gain some experience in research first. They were obviously happy with my answer because they called me within two hours of my interview to offer me the job.

After working for several months, my boss asked me what schools I had been looking at for graduate school. I was a little worried at first when I told him I was applying to medical schools, but he seemed fine with it. He was also very understanding when I had to take days off to go to interviews.

I feel that I was very lucky getting this job and being able to keep it until August right before I begin medical school. My advice to anyone looking for a summer job is to be vague when responding to the future plans question. In my experience in can only hurt you if you are too honest.

 

[ahumdinger]

If you're looking for researchy type work for the summer before med school, you should apply at the school you will be attending. Ask the dean to hook you up with a mentor. Most people at research-oriented schools do a summer research fellowship after the first year, and so you may be able to get started the summer before-- or at least to build a mentoring relationship.

 

[ladyVA]

I just told my interviewer that I was looking into graduate school and wouldn't finalize my plans until this summer... No problems with that apparently since I was hired the next day.

I just don't bring up the application/interview stuff since I'm not asked.

 

[JayQuah]

As some might remember from one of my previous threads, I am going through the process of coming clean OR continuing the lies in a lab that i really like. Its not fun. Get hired, but then find a way to let your employer know well in advance of interviews, etc (as long as their is not a risk of you getting fired.) You'll be pleasantly surprised at what a load it is off your dishonest shoulders.

 

[jbar]

It's not lying if you just don't volunteer the info that you are only working for the summer. My job they know that most people are going to quit after a few months to a year becuase the pay is so low. if you are working as a tech or something at the hospital they prob assume something similar, no one can make a career like that.

 

[bostonguy]

I applied last summer for two research jobs and was turned down because I told them I would be going to medical school in a year. It really sucked because I couldn't find a research position the entire summer. Finally at the end of the summer I was able to get an interview with Cargill in their research and development department. During my interview they asked me what my plans for the future would be. I told them I would like to continue my education, but would like to gain some experience in research first. They were obviously happy with my answer because they called me within two hours of my interview to offer me the job.

After working for several months, my boss asked me what schools I had been looking at for graduate school. I was a little worried at first when I told him I was applying to medical schools, but he seemed fine with it. He was also very understanding when I had to take days off to go to interviews.

I feel that I was very lucky getting this job and being able to keep it until August right before I begin medical school. My advice to anyone looking for a summer job is to be vague when responding to the future plans question. In my experience in can only hurt you if you are too honest.

Thanks, this was the kind of response I was looking for, I'll keep that in mind when I am applying this spring.

 

[pazzer2]

Might be that whole new e-commerce thing.

I had gone to this Indian guys house with one of my friends, and they gave a whole presentation about e-commerce. Supposedly, you do sales of different sort of stuff over the internet through a website called quickstar and after a few years you are making a huge amount of money while being your own boss.

Also known as Quixtar or Amway. RUN as fast as you can if you ever hear anyone talking to you about this.

This is a classic multi-level marketing scheme and doesn't work except for the 2-3 people at the very top of the pyramid.

 

[goinverted]

Also known as Quixtar or Amway. RUN as fast as you can if you ever hear anyone talking to you about this.

This is a classic multi-level marketing scheme and doesn't work except for the 2-3 people at the very top of the pyramid.

Thanks, pazzer, but if you continue reading you will find that I explained what it is that I sell. Not a classic multi level marketing scheme in the slightest. Just good old fashioned cold contact selling.

Don't get me wrong, some days it sucks when you're out knocking doors and it's well over a hundred, but I have yet to find anything else that is good and honest where you can easily pull in over 25,000 during one summer. The last three school years all I have done is: study, hang out with my wife, beef up my application, and ski 40-50 times each winter. Two new cars are paid off, no debt whatsoever and enough in the bank to put down a fat downpayment on a house wherever we end up going to med-school. 😀

 

[Pretty POHA]

I don't think the company that employs you needs to know this sort of information unless it takes more than a month to train you.

Once you get into long term commitment for training, though, then I think you should consider not picking that job.

 

[silverjelly]

Thanks, pazzer, but if you continue reading you will find that I explained what it is that I sell. Not a classic multi level marketing scheme in the slightest. Just good old fashioned cold contact selling.

I think he was refering to gujudoc's post, not yours.

 

[gujuDoc]

Also known as Quixtar or Amway. RUN as fast as you can if you ever hear anyone talking to you about this.

This is a classic multi-level marketing scheme and doesn't work except for the 2-3 people at the very top of the pyramid.

Don't worry, we didn't get into it. My friend said she's been doing it, and been doing ok. But I don't really know. I don't get myself mixed up with those kind of things. This guy told my other friend about a part time job offer one day without mentioning that this is what it was about, and so we went to his house where the dude was presenting on it. It was soooooooo boring, and then the guy tried to get us to stay for a little while longer, but we snuck out of his house and left as soon as we could. It was kinda weird.