M.D. Applicants: With the new residency merger, are you more likely to consider D.O. (as backup)?

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M.D. Applicants: With the new residency merger, are you more likely to consider D.O. (as backup)?


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I'm not saying you'd consider DO over MD, but if it came down to it, are you more likely to apply to DO as backup or even take an acceptance over reapplying?

(If you've considered DO all along, this doesn't apply to you.)
 
Sounds bad for DOs. Now MD students and foreign people can apply for their residencies.

More competition for them.

This should make it easier for MD students though...
That is what I think, but they are celebrating in the DO forum thinking the discrimination by M.D. PD will diminish. Wishful thinking though!
 
That is what I think, but they are celebrating in the DO forum thinking the discrimination by M.D. PD will diminish. Wishful thinking though!
AOA people are in all the ACGME boards now. If you think that kind of political influence won't affect you, you're dead wrong.
 
I was considering applying DO for backup if my stats fell on the lower end of the MD spectrum, but now I'll probably apply to my in-state DO for sure if the match lists are comparable by the time I'm in the cycle.
 
Sounds bad for DOs. Now MD students and foreign people can apply for their residencies.

More competition for them.

Did you think the DO residencies with DO PDs are suddenly going to start accepting only MDs? If anything, MD students are going to need to do a class in OMT before/during their residency.
 
AOA people are in all the ACGME boards now. If you think that kind of political influence won't affect you, you're dead wrong.
I only apply DO, but I don't see that merger as most hopeful DO see it... Time will tell though!
 
Meh, It's better than not being a doctor.
 
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If I have to reapply, I was already planning on applying to DO programs as well. This just strengthens my desire to do so.
 
Though I would not say I am "pro" this, I highly doubt the stigma goes away because top applicants are not going to stop going to MD schools. MD schools, by and large, have much better access to research and resources. Even the hint of negativity toward a school will send top applicants running, and that includes - to a lesser degree - schools on the lower end of the MD spectrum. It's happened all cycle. As long as there is a resource disparity, let alone mandatory OMM, the stigma will continue.
 
No. DO is for chiropractors.
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As long as there is a resource disparity, let alone mandatory OMM, the stigma will continue.

Unfortunately, I think I agree. I asked my mom (who is on her hospital's pediatric residency committee every year) what she thought the implications of that article announcing the merger was. This was her (very short 🙄) reply:

They will have the same exact requirements for completing (rotations, exams etc) as MDs. It's still harder for DOs to get a residency position, coz residency programs take only few DOs
Mom

I don't know SDNers....despite what the residency director surveys rank DO/MD at, it still sounds like there are DO "quotas" at some major hospitals 🤔
 
For me, the end goal is to become a physician and the two little letters don't mean too much to me. So I would be happy to go to a MD or DO school. However, it is nice to have DO residencies avaiable to MDs.

I was actually thinking about this... I have a DO friend who just matched into a DO derm program and ultimately will be just as much of a dermatologist as any MD. On the other hand, I have classmates at my MD program who have to take a year off to do research just so they can match into an MD derm program (or just chose not to apply into derm). This merger may actually screw over DO's for the competitive specialties, as MD grads might snatch up the DO ortho/derm/plastics (do they have plastics?) spots.

I don't know why the DO forum is celebrating. It may be a step forward in terms of getting rid of the "stigma", but I think it's two steps backward otherwise.

Also, before a flame war starts with all the noobs, anybody who follows me on this site knows I'm about as pro DO = MD = DO as they get around these parts.
 
We ride together, we die together. MD 4 lyfe!
what does that even mean lol

i thought not all MDs are created equally. you still ride and die 4 a
St. George's University graduate?

 
I was actually thinking about this... I have a DO friend who just matched into a DO derm program and ultimately will be just as much of a dermatologist as any MD. On the other hand, I have classmates at my MD program who have to take a year off to do research just so they can match into an MD derm program (or just chose not to apply into derm). This merger may actually screw over DO's for the competitive specialties, as MD grads might snatch up the DO ortho/derm/plastics (do they have plastics?) spots.

I don't know why the DO forum is celebrating. It may be a step forward in terms of getting rid of the "stigma", but I think it's two steps backward otherwise.

Also, before a flame war starts with all the noobs, anybody who follows me on this site knows I'm about as pro DO = MD = DO as they get around these parts.
Why would these PDs choose MD students who wouldn't otherwise get into competitive residencies?
 
I was actually thinking about this... I have a DO friend who just matched into a DO derm program and ultimately will be just as much of a dermatologist as any MD. On the other hand, I have classmates at my MD program who have to take a year off to do research just so they can match into an MD derm program (or just chose not to apply into derm). This merger may actually screw over DO's for the competitive specialties, as MD grads might snatch up the DO ortho/derm/plastics (do they have plastics?) spots.

I don't know why the DO forum is celebrating. It may be a step forward in terms of getting rid of the "stigma", but I think it's two steps backward otherwise.

Also, before a flame war starts with all the noobs, anybody who follows me on this site knows I'm about as pro DO = MD = DO as they get around these parts.

The only people not celebrating are the ones now worried about getting into what previously was the only 6 AOA spots for the neuroplastic dermasurgeon residency that only DO's were able to apply to.

Sucks to be someone who went into DO school with absolutely no desire to do primary care. This is why I advocate to NEVER consider DO schools unless you are okay with possibly doing primary care.

The fact that Caribbean grads can compete with DO students shouldn't matter unless you sat in the corner and jacked off for 4 years of medical school.
 
As a DO who matched into AOA EM but wanted to do peds EM fellowship I am thrilled because it now opens that option back up for me.
 
It won't change anything in terms of competition. Programs might be required to interview DO applicants under this merger, but it's not like they'll be required to accept DO applicants. The distribution of programs that give DOs a reasonable chance of acceptance will remain the same -- it's not like mid-tier/upper-tier IM programs will accept DOs in droves or whatever.
 
Yeah but for fellowship it may help a lot if you impress people on rotations and make contacts, are active on boards, etc.
 
Okay, here are my thoughts on this merger.

This is largely a symbolic move, and nothing more than that.

Just because the match is now combined, does not mean that ACGME residencies are suddenly open to unqualified (i.e., non-USMLE taking) DO students. DO students have always been eligible to apply to ACGME programs, as long as they meet a certain standard in medical school and in their USMLE STEP scores. MD students will likely continue to pursue ACGME residencies, and most DO students will continue to stick to COMLEX and apply to AOA residencies. To say that MD students can now apply for AOA residency programs, is kind of a moot point - there is an omnipresnet sentiment that MD > DO, and it would seem that an MD student purposefully pursuing AOA programs would be taking a step backwards professionaly. Perhaps if an MD student wanted to pursue a competitive specialty, but did not have the scores needed to secure an ACGME residency, then maybe the option of pursuing AOA residency in that field is viable for an MD student, but I think that would only serve to put DO students at a disadvantage. Thus, much in a way that DO programs are considered by many to be a "fall-back" in case an MD acceptance is not attainable, I suspect that the option of pursuing an AOA residency in a competitive field would serve the same "fall-back" role for an MD student who will not likely match in that field through an ACGME program. Also, just because there is now a combined match, this does not mean that program directors at competitive ACGME programs are going to suddenly start inviting loads of DO applicants. Even further, what is to say that a PD just doesn't rank any DO students on their list at the end of residency interview season? A combined match system is not going to lead to marked changes in the process or afford much benefit to DO students, neither will it suddenly allievate the persistent issue of "DO discrimination".
 
I also want to point out they may not have made all terms public but I would imagine that there could be minimum quota requirements, they may not have wanted to publicize it. Plus for those who say AOA residencies aren't up to standards now they will be required to be the same.
 
Plus many ACGME residencies DO accept DO students who have only taken COMLEX. You don't have to take USMLE to go ACGME though it depends on specialty.
 
Guys, i know this is an old thread...but does this merger mean that DO students still need to take their boards (COMLEX)? Or are the boards exams merging too?
 
Guys, i know this is an old thread...but does this merger mean that DO students still need to take their boards (COMLEX)? Or are the boards exams merging too?
DO students will still need to take the COMLEX; however, a faculty member at a DO school I interviewed at said that DO students may not need to take USMLE in future to get into an ACGME residency, due to the merger happening...
 
DO students will still need to take the COMLEX; however, a faculty member at a DO school I interviewed at said that DO students may not need to take USMLE in future to get into an ACGME residency, due to the merger happening...
It will theoretically be less important, but for the foreseeable future it still definitely behooves us to take both exams.
 
DO students will still need to take the COMLEX; however, a faculty member at a DO school I interviewed at said that DO students may not need to take USMLE in future to get into an ACGME residency, due to the merger happening...

Bah.

The DO licensure exam is the COMLEX. You wanna license? You take the COMLEX.

MD PDs are more familiar with USMLE scores. You wanna residency at a historically allopathic program? Better take the USMLE. If the PD is a DO, has previously taken a number of DOs, or outright says that you don't need USMLE, you can skip taking them.

Someday, they will get around to merging the exams. For now, there are two. One is mandatory, the other may be helpful. I want to take the USMLE exams whether I have to or not, but I like taking exams, and I like being able to easily compare my scores against benchmarks.
 
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