MA level jobs on the Big Island (Hawai'i)

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Anyone who works on the Islands, especially the Big Island, and can throw some advice or thoughts my way will be my new favorite person. I live on the mainland and want to relocate as soon as I get my MA, but my searches are turning up very little if anything-nothing if I don't include the two or three state jobs that look like nothing but case management.

Thanks in advance.

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I don't have any direct info but have you checked for federal jobs on usajobs.gov with the VA, military installation, and prisons?
 
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I don't have any direct info but have you checked for federal jobs on usajobs.gov with the VA, military installation, and prisons?
USAJobs is not an actual job site. I have known a lot of people, including myself who have applied to dozens of jobs, even applying to jobs we are overqualified for to see if there was any actual merit to the site existing. None of us have ever so much as gotten a response of any kind, let alone an interview.
 
I don't think a lot of people live on the Big Island because of the active lava flow. You'll probably have better luck on Oahu.
That is only in certain area and actually a pretty small piece of the island. As an MA level therapist there is no way I could afford to live on Oahu. The only people in my position I know who live on other islands other than the Big Island have spouses that make most of the money coming into the household. I'm in this by my lonesome.
 
USAJobs is not an actual job site. I have known a lot of people, including myself who have applied to dozens of jobs, even applying to jobs we are overqualified for to see if there was any actual merit to the site existing. None of us have ever so much as gotten a response of any kind, let alone an interview.
I've used USAJobs to apply for multiple positions and, having also worked in VA and been involved in hiring to a small extent, can say it is very much a functioning job site. The issue is that depending on the VA, HR usually receives and screens the applications first before ever sending them along to the particular service (e.g., Mental Health) that posted the ad. Thus, HR may screen out applications because, in their minds, a candidate does not meet requirements when, if the service had seen the application, it would be clear the applicant is qualified. HR may also screen out applications that they deem to be incomplete for whatever reason. And there can also be significant lag times between when a site receives an application and when they communicate with applicants/setup interviews; for example, I've heard of folks being contacted 6 months after applying. There's often an email address listed in the job postings (sometimes an HR person and sometimes not), and it can be worthwhile emailing that person to see if materials have been received, where they are in the process, etc. I'd probably wait at least a few weeks after applying before doing so, though.

Also, if the positions in HI are very high-demand, it's possible they have multiple internal candidates (from HI or other VAs) who are also applying, and so the positions may never necessary get past that point.
 
I've used USAJobs to apply for multiple positions and, having also worked in VA and been involved in hiring to a small extent, can say it is very much a functioning job site. The issue is that depending on the VA, HR usually receives and screens the applications first before ever sending them along to the particular service (e.g., Mental Health) that posted the ad. Thus, HR may screen out applications because, in their minds, a candidate does not meet requirements when, if the service had seen the application, it would be clear the applicant is qualified. HR may also screen out applications that they deem to be incomplete for whatever reason. And there can also be significant lag times between when a site receives an application and when they communicate with applicants/setup interviews; for example, I've heard of folks being contacted 6 months after applying. There's often an email address listed in the job postings (sometimes an HR person and sometimes not), and it can be worthwhile emailing that person to see if materials have been received, where they are in the process, etc. I'd probably wait at least a few weeks after applying before doing so, though.

Also, if the positions in HI are very high-demand, it's possible they have multiple internal candidates (from HI or other VAs) who are also applying, and so the positions may never necessary get past that point.
I have never and don't know anyone who has applied through USA jobs for a position in Hawaii. Pretty much every other state and with all sorts of agencies. They are tell the same story I do-it's not a functioning job site. If it actually is according to you, an actual job site, it is the least functional such site I have ever heard of and is not attracting the best candidates as they all know not to even bother.
 
I have never and don't know anyone who has applied through USA jobs for a position in Hawaii. Pretty much every other state and with all sorts of agencies. They are tell the same story I do-it's not a functioning job site. If it actually is according to you, an actual job site, it is the least functional such site I have ever heard of and is not attracting the best candidates as they all know not to even bother.
I can't speak for Hawaii specifically, but I know USAJobs is the primary means of receiving applications in multiple states elsewhere, and it would be unusual (although not unheard of) for VA to use a system everywhere but one state. But you could always potentially ask folks who actually work there, if you haven't already, and see if they applied for and/or got their jobs through the site. Maybe because positions in Hawaii are so sought after, they're able to direct hire for pretty much everything, which could then possibly allow them to circumvent USAJobs.
 
Oh I wouldn't even bother applying through USA Jobs in Hawaii. I think in the last 5 years that I've been looking on that site I have seen one MA level therapist position open up and there is no way that went to some outside new hire like me.

I was just hijacking my own thread and commenting on USA Jobs overall. It strikes me as nothing more than fulfilling some statutory mandate to post a job announcement and accept applications. I know no one who has ever actually been hired via USA Jobs.
 
Oh I wouldn't even bother applying through USA Jobs in Hawaii. I think in the last 5 years that I've been looking on that site I have seen one MA level therapist position open up and there is no way that went to some outside new hire like me.

I was just hijacking my own thread and commenting on USA Jobs overall. It strikes me as nothing more than fulfilling some statutory mandate to post a job announcement and accept applications. I know no one who has ever actually been hired via USA Jobs.
Yeah, sounds like in Hawaii specifically, the positions may never make it to USAJobs in most cases, and when they do, they may still already have someone in mind for the position (or it goes to an internal hire). And yes, sometimes they're required to post positions even if they do already have someone specific in mind.

I know that outside of Hawaii, lots of folks (myself included) have been hired via USAJobs.
 
Yeah, sounds like in Hawaii specifically, the positions may never make it to USAJobs in most cases, and when they do, they may still already have someone in mind for the position (or it goes to an internal hire). And yes, sometimes they're required to post positions even if they do already have someone specific in mind.

I know that outside of Hawaii, lots of folks (myself included) have been hired via USAJobs.
There is a 95% chance you and others you know were one of the already selected folks who were told to just put in the app. on USAJobs, and are then claiming they got hired off of that site, and a 5% chance you actually got hired off of that site.

I'll try to find the article that references those numbers, but I saw it years ago after a study done to determine if the site had any use and that's how bad it is, so please don't be bull****ting people about using that site to find work unless they are told to use it by the site they are applying to.

And as you might see I'm not a frequent flyer around here so I might not see any responses for months or more, but whatever anyone does, don't believe USAJobs is a legit site/way to get a job, it's not. You have to know someone at the site you are applying to or you're in the 5% class, and that 5% takes into account ALL jobs, so those are the ones no one wants like civilian NF-1 line cook at Fort Bliss, TX... not sure that's an actual job but the point should be clear. Don't believe people who tell you they got hired from that site. There is a 95% chance they are lying.
 
There is a 95% chance you and others you know were one of the already selected folks who were told to just put in the app. on USAJobs, and are then claiming they got hired off of that site, and a 5% chance you actually got hired off of that site.

I'll try to find the article that references those numbers, but I saw it years ago after a study done to determine if the site had any use and that's how bad it is, so please don't be bull****ting people about using that site to find work unless they are told to use it by the site they are applying to.

And as you might see I'm not a frequent flyer around here so I might not see any responses for months or more, but whatever anyone does, don't believe USAJobs is a legit site/way to get a job, it's not. You have to know someone at the site you are applying to or you're in the 5% class, and that 5% takes into account ALL jobs, so those are the ones no one wants like civilian NF-1 line cook at Fort Bliss, TX... not sure that's an actual job but the point should be clear. Don't believe people who tell you they got hired from that site. There is a 95% chance they are lying.
You can believe what you like. I was hired for a position at a VA I'd never visited by people I'd never met or spoken with; one or two of them knew a few of my training supervisors, but that's the extent of the familiarity. When I was later involved in hiring at that same VA, I think only one of the various positions that was posted over the years had someone already in mind for it, and that one was only ever posted locally/internally. I also personally know other psychologists brought on at that and other VAs who went into positions that weren't specifically set aside for them. And beyond all that, I have nothing to gain from lying about the circumstances of my hiring.

VA is a small world, so there's a decent likelihood you may have met, heard of, or trained at a similar place as the folks involved in your interviewing/hiring (which, as I said, wasn't the case for me). That's a far cry from the position being posted with you specifically in mind. As I said earlier, maybe what you're speaking to is the case at one or more Hawaii VA locations. But as the saying goes, if you know one VA, you know one VA.

Now, what I wouldn't be surprised to hear is that many/most postings on USAJobs are filled eventually by internal hires, such as people from that same or (usually) other VAs. Again, that's different than the posting being made with a specific person in mind. It sounds like you've had a frustrating go of it, which is a bummer. Hopefully if the problem is on the VA side at this specific site, they get it worked out.
 
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You can believe what you like. I was hired for a position at a VA I'd never visited by people I'd never met or spoken with; one or two of them knew a few of my training supervisors, but that's the extent of the familiarity. When I was later involved in hiring at that same VA, I think only one of the various positions that was posted over the years had someone already in mind for it, and that one was only ever posted locally/internally. I also personally know other psychologists brought on at that and other VAs who went into positions that weren't specifically set aside for them. And beyond all that, I have nothing to gain from lying about the circumstances of my hiring.

VA is a small world, so there's a decent likelihood you may have met, heard of, or trained at a similar place as the folks involved in your interviewing/hiring (which, as I said, wasn't the case for me). That's a far cry from the position being posted with you specifically in mind. As I said earlier, maybe what you're speaking to is the case at one or more Hawaii VA locations. But as the saying goes, if you know one VA, you know one VA.

Now, what I wouldn't be surprised to hear is that many/most postings on USAJobs are filled eventually by internal hires, such as people from that same or (usually) other VAs. Again, that's different than the posting being made with a specific person in mind. It sounds like you've had a frustrating go of it, which is a bummer. Hopefully if the problem is on the VA side at this specific site, they get it worked out.
I don't believe, I know. For what you said here to be true you represent 5% of applicants on the USA Jobs site, meaning for you to be giving advice that makes people believe it is a legitimate site is a lie. It works for 5% of applicants, which if you are one, is great for you, but don't go around telling people it's a legit site when it is not and only the 5% lucky few get hired through it. That's like telling 95% of the work force they just need to get lucky like you did and not to worry about only having a 5% chance of getting hired. 95% of the job postings will be internal hires, meaning the job posting is useless and a complete sham, and that is ALL jobs, which means most of that 5% represent jobs no one wants so there are no internal hires. Then there is the elephant in the room here with a Neuropsychologist applying with the VA-I know several neuros, none of whom worked for public agencies past their internships so... yeah.

Point is the jobs are not going to random internal hires or some such and such person you know at some VA somewhere, they are people already selected when the posting is made. There is a reason the idea of getting rid of the entire site has been talked about as much as it has. Not because I haven't had any luck using it, but because almost no one does. But hey, you got lucky so that's all that matters to you I guess.
 
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I don't believe, I know. For what you said here to be true you represent 5% of applicants on the USA Jobs site, meaning for you to be giving advice that makes people believe it is a legitimate site is a lie. It works for 5% of applicants, which if you are one, is great for you, but don't go around telling people it's a legit site when it is not and only the 5% lucky few get hired through it. That's like telling 95% of the work force they just need to get lucky like you did and not to worry about only having a 5% chance of getting hired. 95% of the job postings will be internal hires, meaning the job posting is useless and a complete sham, and that is ALL jobs, which means most of that 5% represent jobs no one wants so there are no internal hires. Then there is the elephant in the room here with a Neuropsychologist applying with the VA-I know several neuros, none of whom worked for public agencies past their internships so... yeah.

Point is the jobs are not going to random internal hires or some such and such person you know at some VA somewhere, they are people already selected when the posting is made. There is a reason the idea of getting rid of the entire site has been talked about as much as it has. Not because I haven't had any luck using it, but because almost no one does. But hey, you got lucky so that's all that matters to you I guess.
I'd appreciate seeing some form of evidence supporting this 95% / 5% number you keep referencing. Again, I can speak only from my personal experience and the experience of other psychologists and managers (some of whom are involved in posting jobs and hiring)--in some instances, the jobs have internal applicants already in mind, but that was not the case for the majority of positions. Maybe things are much different in Hawaii; I don't know about any sites there specifically. I think I know one person who applied for, and obtained, a psychologist job in HI. I don't remember which site it was. There's also generally a different process for posting positions that are intended solely for internal hires, and there's a whole system for posting positions to VA trainees to try to retain them once they complete training (or at least there was before the recent budget issues).

As for the bolded portion, no clue what you're saying or implying. There are numerous neuropsychologists who attend VA fellowships and continue on to VA jobs, many of whom are rather well-known. I no longer work at VA, but plenty of great neuropsychologists do. It sounds as though your experiences with neuropsychologists are fairly skewed. Per the most recent salary survey in 2020, approximately 12% of the replying neuropsychologists work at VA, which according to the chart, would seem to make VA the third most common institution type among neuropsychologists, depending on how you group the various responses.

If the site isn't doing what it's supposed to do, I'd have no problems scrapping it. I have no vested interest in it one way or another, and I support VA (and any other system with high mental health needs) doing all they can to attract the most qualified candidates. I'm just not convinced USAJobs is as big a problem as you say. It sounds like you've had a bad experience with the site, which is unfortunate. I think there are many issues with VA hiring and retention that could be addressed and improved, but in my opinion, the USAJobs site is relatively low on that list.
 
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I’ve applied for—and been offered jobs—via USAJobs without knowing any of the people involved, including in Hawaii. I’ve also applied for and not been offered jobs, because that’s how applying for jobs usually works. 🤷‍♀️ Hawaii is an interesting place re: jobs because in a lot of ways, it’s like a foreign country, and people both tend to want to stay because it’s not like anywhere else and its home (and an ancestral homeland to the Native Hawaiians) and tend to leave because it’s a hard place to live financially (and sometimes culturally). So you get both turnover and people who really invested in staying. Also, the outer islands (I.e., not Oahu) are very under-resourced in general (it’s hard to get speciality medical care, for example), so that can further complicate the job market.
 
I've applied to three jobs through USAJobs and got at least interviews for all of them. Two i got hired and the third i pulled out after i got an offer elsewhere. There was a fourth where i got hired, but I was an internal candidate
 
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