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I had a Radiology colleague today say that he thought Anesthesia would be replaced by machines in 10 years. Are people really that crazy that they think a machine could perform our job? Would patients want a machine performing their anesthesia? I sure as hell wouldn't.
 
I had a Radiology colleague today say that he thought Anesthesia would be replaced by machines in 10 years. Are people really that crazy that they think a machine could perform our job? Would patients want a machine performing their anesthesia? I sure as hell wouldn't.
The technology exists right now for automated CXR interpretation. He should tend his own fires.
 
I had a Radiology colleague today say that he thought Anesthesia would be replaced by machines in 10 years. Are people really that crazy that they think a machine could perform our job? Would patients want a machine performing their anesthesia? I sure as hell wouldn't.
Let him know that in 5 years, some dude in India will be replacing him at a fraction of the cost.
 
advanced monitoring, perhaps immediately "remote" may become more common, but no. This is not going to impact our profession in a negative way.
the major advantage we have is that anesthesia must be given on site. it really can't be done remote. sure, you can make the stretch that robotic surgery may be "able" to be done remote, but this isn't going to happen either. anesthesia can't be "outsourced" to China. It can be "outsourced" to lower cost providers, but it's gonna be done at the bedside per norm.....
 
advanced monitoring, perhaps immediately "remote" may become more common, but no. This is not going to impact our profession in a negative way.
the major advantage we have is that anesthesia must be given on site. it really can't be done remote. sure, you can make the stretch that robotic surgery may be "able" to be done remote, but this isn't going to happen either. anesthesia can't be "outsourced" to China. It can be "outsourced" to lower cost providers, but it's gonna be done at the bedside per norm.....

Some of the procedures have to be done by a person. Things like starting the IVs, arterial lines, cvps, epidurals, spinals, intubations, etc. While technology could be developed to do some of those things in the future, the cost is probably prohibitive to ever using anybody but a regular old person to do those things.

What I could see happen in the next 10-20 years is that the anesthesia machine and monitoring get developed in such a way that it could cruise on autopilot for the case. Input patient/surgical variables into the machine and then it administers fluids, narcs, muscle relaxants, inhaled gas, etc for the maintenance phase however long that lasts. Isn't that what the McSleepy machine does somewhat? But the machine isn't going to extubate somebody, treat laryngospasm, etc. You will always need human intervention immediately available. I mean what is the robot going to do when the surgeon hits the aorta and massive blood loss is happening? It isn't going to start a central line, send for blood, etc.
 
The future is the past. For decades now, anesthesia has enjoyed one technological innovation after another to reduce risk ... and arguably reduce the qualifications required of the person sitting in the room. Pulse oximetry, capnography, better ventilators. Some false starts and dead ends (*cough*Bis*cough*) on the safety road, but a clear trajectory toward better and better engineering controls and safer anesthesia. Video laryngoscopes are probably the most recent example of a technology that has turned a critical and difficult technical skill set (DL, fiberoptic intubation) into something less essential to those with lesser training. (Mostly. And "mostly" is apparently "good enough" as long as no one looks too closely at their complications.)

There's no reason to think that machines, monitors, and other tools won't continue to get better and make anesthesia safer and smoother, reducing the skill and knowledge needed.

But that stupid robot will be making ham sandwiches for us before it's intubating patients ...


The technology exists right now for automated CXR interpretation. He should tend his own fires.

Indeed. I think there's more of a future for anesthesiologists ca. 2040 than diagnostic radiologists. And they can't all do fellowships ...

Machines read ECGs well enough that practically no one ever consults cardiologists for reads. The day is coming when machine interpretations of CXRs, CTs, and MRIs will be good enough too. Long before that day, outsourcing reads to a basement radiology sweatshop full of low-bidder film readers is coming ... whether that basement is located in Nebraska, Europe, Australia, or India hardly matters to the diagnostic radiologist who wants to live in San Francisco. Radiologists seem to universally disagree with this prediction every time I make it 🙂 and they surely know things about the field that I don't. They usually cite liability, licensing requirements, and the medical background to make clinical correlations ... but that argument isn't any different from the ones we've failed to exploit vs CRNAs.
 
Let him know that in 5 years, some dude in India will be replacing him at a fraction of the cost.

This is already happening at a rapid rate. Think about what a radiologist does - they look at contrast differences of black and white images. Computer algorithms can do 1000x better at picking things up - this has been shown already.

Radiology is a dying field. IR will survive.
 
I knew someone working on several algorithms to incorporate into an anesthesia machine in order to basically allow the machine to run on its own. The problem is human physiology is so unpredictable and when adding in little things like BMI, type of surgical stimulation and metabolism it really becomes impossible to predict one person's anesthetic requirements compared to another.
 
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