Making a decision solely based on money.....

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There's no way to tell whether Nova or Columbia produces better dentists. Finding that out requires that at least some dentists/dental students admit that they may not be the best in the field. Of course, such objectivity requires that they let go of their ego, and that's an obstacle in and of itself.
The only thing you can really say is that Columbia enrolls smarter students on average.
 
That's one of the places I went to, yes. I was in Buffalo for 3 days, and I toured as much of the city as I could, in every local neighborhood I could. So what would be good advice? What would be the hot parts of town? I'll gladly revisit the city, because going to that school'd save me many tens of thousands of dollars over SF.

Really depends what you are into...the time of year and the night will matter too. Chip sucks on Friday but is usually good on Sat. There are lots of bars there too, you have to go to the ones that have the crowd you fit in with. There are plenty of other districts and things to do, people to meet etc. Pm me if you want, tell me a bit about what you are into and I will give you some advice. Don't expect a Boston or NYC type of social life, but Buffalo is not as bad as you think
 
Most of the people I talk to are predents and premeds from my undergrad...I also talk to friends and relatives etc...But anyways...
You picked UoP over Nova and UNLV...
Aren't both of those schools cheaper then UoP by a little?
If you didn't get into UoP...you would be attending Columbia right now right? 😀 just curious...



Haha, not sure who you're talking to that would say something like that. Every dentist (including several oral surgeons, orthodontists and other various specialists) told me to go to the cheapest school I got into, except for the ones that told me if I got into UoP I should just throw all of my other acceptances into the trash.
 
Most of the people I talk to are predents and premeds from my undergrad...
You picked UoP over Nova and UNLV...
Aren't both of those schools cheaper then UoP by a little?
If you didn't get into UoP..you would be attending Columbia right now right? 😀

I got a scholarship to UoP, so it was cheaper than Nova and Columbia. UNLV was about 1-2 thousand cheaper, but I figured the free year should make up for that.

Possibly could have ended up at CU, but I have a lot of family in the greater Manhattan area so it wouldn't really be a fair comparison.
 
Okay if you didn't have any family in NY and didn't get any scholarships at all...and only got into Nova and Columbia...would you really pick Nova over Columbia b/c of the 30K difference???





I got a scholarship to UoP, so it was cheaper than Nova and Columbia. UNLV was about 1-2 thousand cheaper, but I figured the free year should make up for that.

Possibly could have ended up at CU, but I have a lot of family in the greater Manhattan area so it wouldn't really be a fair comparison.
 
Okay if you didn't have any family in NY and didn't get any scholarships at all...and only got into Nova and Columbia...would you really pick Nova over Columbia b/c of the 30K difference???

That's too many "whatif's" for me to wrap my head around, but yeah, UNLV and Nova would have been up there with Columbia.

It seems to me that once you get past the name there's just not that much substance over any other school. Sure, they put a few more people into specialties, but then again they also only recruit top students who subsequently get top boards scores.

To me, that seems like it's the students doing the majority of the work, not the school.
 
armorshell is just sooo wise....
i say it's time we started a fan club🙂
 
I totally agree with you on that, but what remains unclear to me is why people still choose to attend schools with big names and pay more. Aren't they motivated enough to go to a cheaper school and still work hard? 😕

To me, that seems like it's the students doing the majority of the work, not the school.
 
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I hope Columbia's isn't that high.....I was also accepted to Nova and didn't think the difference would be that MUCH! :scared:
But everyone I talked to said I would be crazy to pick Nova over Columbia...

Who are these people that you spoke to?

I think that the preponderance of bad financial advice from predents is not due to the fact that they are "predents", but that they are young and financially inexperienced. People in their early 20's are excited by going to a top name school, while people in their 30's and 40's are excited about having a more favorable debt/income ratio upon graduation.

You had better look at the hard numbers yourself before you make a final decision. Even if you have already paid your deposit at Columbia and decide that Nova is a better financial deal, it is worth it to eat the deposit $$$$ for Columbia and accept Nova's invitation.
 
I can easily see that paiding 100K or more for a bigger name is crazy, but I am just talking about 30K...so it's a really hard decision for me....I haven't paid any deposit yet... I will have to think about this some more....
 
That's one of the places I went to, yes. I was in Buffalo for 3 days, and I toured as much of the city as I could, in every local neighborhood I could. So what would be good advice? What would be the hot parts of town? I'll gladly revisit the city, because going to that school'd save me many tens of thousands of dollars over SF.
you def went to chippewa on the wrong day of the week, in buffalo we party thursday, recover friday and then really hit it saturday, chippewa on sat is crazy, other places include allentown(not actually a different town but a different part of the city) it has alternatives to the clubs on chippewa. theres also major chill bars in the outer limits of the city. in the summer when the bars on the lake are open we party on beach all day/night...but all this doesn't matter, all us are gonna be studying our nights away in the libraries anyways right?
 
while i agree with going with less debt, please come to a decision on your own. if you truly see yourself pulled by the more expensive school then go. the last thing you want is to make a decision just because someone else thinks it's the best thing. you might come out with owing less interest but your passion might be dampened and that's not good. but this is something you need to sit down and think about and make sure whatever it is, you can not only live with, but really want.

to me, it's about the whole school. the neighborhood, the opportunities in the surrounding area, everything. and honestly, even down to the weather. of course, certain things take precedence like tuition but hell, i know living in buffalo would make me pretty depressed* because of the gloomy weather and no sun. if that's all i got into, well, no choice no problem. with the exception of usc. if that was the only school, i might consider reapplying.

and there are loads and loads of reasons to picking the more expensive institution. i'd do it to be closer to my mom. if i had a family, i might not want to relocate. maybe you plan on practicing in that area ... lots of reason. all dependent on the person involved.
 
I totally agree with you on that, but what remains unclear to me is why people still choose to attend schools with big names and pay more. Aren't they motivated enough to go to a cheaper school and still work hard? 😕

The way I see it, you need to plan for your future (which is why we are all going into dental school), but to also make sure you enjoy whatever situation you're currently in. You may decide to go to the cheaper school, but would you really enjoy it as much?? I know dentists insist on going with the least expensive route, but that's coming from a completely different perspective.

Personally, I want to make sure that I enjoy the present/near future as much as possible, because you don't know what will actually happen in 10 years!! If you plan too far ahead in the future, you will miss a lot of what your experiencing in the present. It's challenging to put my thoughts into words, but I'm just trying to say to enjoy what you have now, because you're future is never guaranteed.........haha here's a real world example: some people have very disgusting diets in order to reduce cancer risk/diseases and live very long (+100 yrs.).....what if they die at the age of 45 from something unforseen (accident, etc.)? Was it worth missing out on 45 years of tasteful meals??

I'm trying to procrastinate from my finals studying haha :laugh:
 
Thanks for your post. I totally agree with you that picking schools should not be only based on money. It's really a personal preference. 👍


while i agree with going with less debt, please come to a decision on your own. if you truly see yourself pulled by the more expensive school then go. the last thing you want is to make a decision just because someone else thinks it's the best thing. you might come out with owing less interest but your passion might be dampened and that's not good. but this is something you need to sit down and think about and make sure whatever it is, you can not only live with, but really want.

to me, it's about the whole school. the neighborhood, the opportunities in the surrounding area, everything. and honestly, even down to the weather. of course, certain things take precedence like tuition but hell, i know living in buffalo would make me pretty depressed* because of the gloomy weather and no sun. if that's all i got into, well, no choice no problem. with the exception of usc. if that was the only school, i might consider reapplying.

and there are loads and loads of reasons to picking the more expensive institution. i'd do it to be closer to my mom. if i had a family, i might not want to relocate. maybe you plan on practicing in that area ... lots of reason. all dependent on the person involved.
 
I like the way you see things...🙂 thanks for sharing your thoughts with us and best of luck to you 👍


The way I see it, you need to plan for your future (which is why we are all going into dental school), but to also make sure you enjoy whatever situation you're currently in. You may decide to go to the cheaper school, but would you really enjoy it as much?? I know dentists insist on going with the least expensive route, but that's coming from a completely different perspective.

Personally, I want to make sure that I enjoy the present/near future as much as possible, because you don't know what will actually happen in 10 years!! If you plan too far ahead in the future, you will miss a lot of what your experiencing in the present. It's challenging to put my thoughts into words, but I'm just trying to say to enjoy what you have now, because you're future is never guaranteed.........haha here's a real world example: some people have very disgusting diets in order to reduce cancer risk/diseases and live very long (+100 yrs.).....what if they die at the age of 45 from something unforseen (accident, etc.)? Was it worth missing out on 45 years of tasteful meals??

I'm trying to procrastinate from my finals studying haha :laugh:
 
The way I see it, you need to plan for your future (which is why we are all going into dental school), but to also make sure you enjoy whatever situation you're currently in. You may decide to go to the cheaper school, but would you really enjoy it as much?? I know dentists insist on going with the least expensive route, but that's coming from a completely different perspective.

Personally, I want to make sure that I enjoy the present/near future as much as possible, because you don't know what will actually happen in 10 years!! If you plan too far ahead in the future, you will miss a lot of what your experiencing in the present. It's challenging to put my thoughts into words, but I'm just trying to say to enjoy what you have now, because you're future is never guaranteed.........haha here's a real world example: some people have very disgusting diets in order to reduce cancer risk/diseases and live very long (+100 yrs.).....what if they die at the age of 45 from something unforseen (accident, etc.)? Was it worth missing out on 45 years of tasteful meals??

I'm trying to procrastinate from my finals studying haha :laugh:

👍👍 i cant agree more. there are a lot more factors in life than money
 
I totally agree with you on that, but what remains unclear to me is why people still choose to attend schools with big names and pay more. Aren't they motivated enough to go to a cheaper school and still work hard? 😕

Like it's been said many times in this thread, it's all about the individual. For some people out there, getting that Ivy league name is worth the difference in money. There are others who honestly believe any non-Ivy education isn't worth the lambskin the degree is printed on. There are others who have no idea what their education is costing, because mom and dad are picking up the whole tab.

I don't want to come off as a guru in this matter, I'm just presenting my opinion, which doesn't include subjective factors like location, family, etc... But from a purely educational standpoint, what's the difference? You get the same 3 letters no matter where you go, and those letters are nothing more than a license to begin the real learning.
 
To the OP, think about it this way. The ~150k difference (Which will really amount to more like 180 by the time graduation rolls around) will basically let you straight up buy a practice straight out of school if you want to, or let you have a little more leeway to practice exactly the type of dentistry you want to practice when you do decide to buy.

Hell, take 100k of that 180 and buy yourself a CEREC. I guarantee you'll have the best temps in your fixed prosth class 😀
 
this thread is about BU and UB not the Ivy league schools. I was talking about other factors in life not the name. Anyways why such hate armorshell for Ivy schools? They are actually pretty good schools and a lot of people choose them for other factors besides their name.

Like it's been said many times in this thread, it's all about the individual. For some people out there, getting that Ivy league name is worth the difference in money. There are others who honestly believe any non-Ivy education isn't worth the lambskin the degree is printed on. There are others who have no idea what their education is costing, because mom and dad are picking up the whole tab.

I don't want to come off as a guru in this matter, I'm just presenting my opinion, which doesn't include subjective factors like location, family, etc... But from a purely educational standpoint, what's the difference? You get the same 3 letters no matter where you go, and those letters are nothing more than a license to begin the real learning.
 
Can you please name some reasons for attending Ivy schools besides their great reputation? thanks... 👍


this thread is about BU and UB not the Ivy league schools. I was talking about other factors in life not the name. Anyways why such hate armorshell for Ivy schools? They are actually pretty good schools and a lot of people choose them for other factors besides their name.
 
this thread is about BU and UB not the Ivy league schools. I was talking about other factors in life not the name. Anyways why such hate armorshell for Ivy schools? They are actually pretty good schools and a lot of people choose them for other factors besides their name.

Right, but calculus88 asked specifically about "big name schools." I was responding to him, not the OP.

I don't have any hate for Ivy league schools, and I don't doubt that they're fine institutions, besides being, in my opinion, overpriced.

I can understand that it might seem like a have a vendetta, but I simply don't. The topic comes up fairly often though and I'm not shy about posting my opinion if it's asked for.
 
People flock to Harvard, Columbia, Penn, UCLA, and UCSF for their specialty placement and their well above average performance on the boards. Sure, these schools may have better students, but many other schools come VERY close in student quality but are less talked about. These include Maryland, Stony Brook, UConn, BU, and USC. Their student quality is SOOO close behind, but those names rarely come up.

BU and UB are very close in quality, but UB is known for their general practitioners. Their website proudly brags about how GPR/AEGD programs really want UB students. Not a single word about competitive specialty programs. And when I asked my interviewers about specialty placement, I noticed they never quite answered my questions. Their responses, however, skirted around the question, leading me to believe that I shouldn't go there expecting to specialize.

I cancelled my BU interview, so I can't comment on their performance. But my guess is that they do at least okay.
 
Many dentists will tell you to go to the cheapest school possible. That's because they think that they got a great training and are great dentists. It's not like a dentist who had avg stats who went to an average school would even realize his skills may just be average. In his own mind, he's an excellent dentist. And when he's faced with a complicated case he doesn't know how to treat, he'll think the case was just complicated and no one'd really know how to treat it.

Let me use an example in medicine. I'm from Georgia, and the two dominant medical schools are MCG and Emory. Both'll have nearly identical curriculums, but Emory is top 20, while MCG is unranked. My city is full of MCG alums, and the doctors here are just okay. They provide good healthcare for a broad range of cases. However, if you're in a more life-threatening situation or are facing a complex case, you'd better get your ass to Emory Hospital, or you're not going to get better. The MCG doctors have mistreated and misdiagnose complex cases too many times for comfort.
 
Many dentists will tell you to go to the cheapest school possible. That's because they think that they got a great training and are great dentists. It's not like a dentist who had avg stats who went to an average school would even realize his skills may just be average. In his own mind, he's an excellent dentist. And when he's faced with a complicated case he doesn't know how to treat, he'll think the case was just complicated and no one'd really know how to treat it.

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I actually just threw up in my mouth a little, that was so condescending and pompous.

Why don't you go ahead and conjecture on how greatly the training differs between private and public schools? I'd love to see how this turns out. :laugh:
 
People flock to Harvard, Columbia, Penn, UCLA, and UCSF for their specialty placement and their well above average performance on the boards. Sure, these schools may have better students, but many other schools come VERY close in student quality but are less talked about. These include Maryland, Stony Brook, UConn, BU, and USC. Their student quality is SOOO close behind, but those names rarely come up.

BU and UB are very close in quality, but UB is known for their general practitioners. Their website proudly brags about how GPR/AEGD programs really want UB students. Not a single word about competitive specialty programs. And when I asked my interviewers about specialty placement, I noticed they never quite answered my questions. Their responses, however, skirted around the question, leading me to believe that I shouldn't go there expecting to specialize.

I cancelled my BU interview, so I can't comment on their performance. But my guess is that they do at least okay.

This is the exact type of thinking that propagates the myth that certain schools have a lock on sending students into specialties. They throw correlative "evidence" around and all but scare students into attending.

The only thing that can prevent a student from excelling is themselves. If you can specialize at from one school you should be able to specialize from any other.
 
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I actually just threw up in my mouth a little, that was so condescending and pompous.

Why don't you go ahead and conjecture on how greatly the training differs between private and public schools? I'd love to see how this turns out. :laugh:

It's good that you threw up. Now reread it and notice that I made no claim whatsoever. No claim about what constitutes a great dentist and no claim about which schools produce better dentists. Reread it and notice that I'm pointing out the lack of any useful information you can get by asking a dentist on this matter.
 
The only thing that can prevent a student from excelling is themselves. If you can specialize at from one school you should be able to specialize from any other.

and what if you're wrong?
 
Why don't you go ahead and conjecture on how greatly the training differs between private and public schools? I'd love to see how this turns out. :laugh:

No need. I already stated that they were nearly identical. So how'd that turn out?
 
It's good that you threw up. Now reread it and notice that I made no claim whatsoever. No claim about what constitutes a great dentist and no claim about which schools produce better dentists. Reread it and notice that I'm pointing out the lack of any useful information you can get by asking a dentist on this matter.

You implied several claims. You implied that a dentist from an average school has a blown up perception of the education they received, which only you know was inferior.

You implied that even though MCG(public) and Emory (private) have identical curriculums, the higher ranked school produces superior doctors.

My challenge still stands. I'd love to hear you throw some ideas out there on why you think this is. What makes a superior dentist? Apparently you're the guy that knows.

and what if you're wrong?

:laugh: I'll just let the graduating seniors know they're going to have to withdraw all of their acceptances, dentstd said you can't specialize unless you're at an ivy.

But trust me, UCLA, Columbia and Harvard aren't exactly letting too many average students through their doors. Show me a school that consistantly gets average students into specialities and then I'll be impressed.
 
No need. I already stated that they were nearly identical. So how'd that turn out?

Wow, thanks for agreeing with me. If there's no significant difference in the education, but a significant difference in the graduates, the only factor that's varied is the motivation or quality of the students being accepted.

:hardy:
 
You implied several claims. You implied that a dentist from an average school has a blown up perception of the education they received, which only you know was inferior.

I made no such implications. You read that interpretation yourself. Notice the use of "It's not like ..."

You implied that even though MCG(public) and Emory (private) have identical curriculums, the higher ranked school produces superior doctors.

Medicine is ranked. Residency directors rank the quality of the school's graduates. There's a list of top hospitals, and there's a list of top....physicians.

You read that public vs private argument yourself. I never made such a claim. I could say the same thing about Emory (private) vs. Morehouse (private) or Emory (private) vs Mercer (private). All of which are Georgia schools.

My challenge still stands. I'd love to hear you throw some ideas out there on why you think this is. What makes a superior dentist? Apparently you're the guy that knows.

who tha hell knows? my entire argument's about the lack of reliable information on the matter, an argument that you entirely missed because you read into it your own experience/understanding/whatever
 
I made no such implications. You read that interpretation yourself. Notice the use of "It's not like ..."

You read that public vs private argument yourself. I never made such a claim. I could say the same thing about Emory (private) vs. Morehouse (private) or Emory (private) vs Mercer (private). All of which are Georgia schools.

*sigh*

Well I'm not going to stand here and argue about what you may have or have not implied, and I'm willing to let what's already been said stand to interpretation by those who read it.

who tha hell knows? my entire argument's about the lack of reliable information on the matter, an argument that you entirely missed because you read into it your own experience/understanding/whatever

What would you consider a source of reliable information besides what seems to be a basically unanimous opinion from (many) general practitioners and specialists alike?
 
In the argument regarding Nova, doesn't Nova have lots of problems and very unhappy students? Seems to me that in the event that the reports are true, Nova isn't a place worth going to and 30k extra to avoid the place would be money well spent.
 
Regmata, Armorshell, thanks (about the dentaltown website)!
 
In the argument regarding Nova, doesn't Nova have lots of problems and very unhappy students? Seems to me that in the event that the reports are true, Nova isn't a place worth going to and 30k extra to avoid the place would be money well spent.


Well, happiness is relative. How many people are "happy" during finals week?

Plus, if I recall correctly, there was one particularly unhappy person with Nova on this forum. Although he was very, very unhappy, one person's opinion is still just one person's opinion. I interviewed there and my interviewer is, as much as I can gather, happy at Nova.

Every school has their good and bad qualities. That's why the individual has to sit down and weigh the pros and cons for themselves. It's also why every school emphasizes asking as many questions as possible during the interview. It isn't about asking the flashiest question to wow the interviewers socks off; it's about whether the school can offer what you want out of a dental school education.
 
Many dentists will tell you to go to the cheapest school possible. That's because they think that they got a great training and are great dentists. It's not like a dentist who had avg stats who went to an average school would even realize his skills may just be average. In his own mind, he's an excellent dentist. And when he's faced with a complicated case he doesn't know how to treat, he'll think the case was just complicated and no one'd really know how to treat it.

Let me use an example in medicine. I'm from Georgia, and the two dominant medical schools are MCG and Emory. Both'll have nearly identical curriculums, but Emory is top 20, while MCG is unranked. My city is full of MCG alums, and the doctors here are just okay. They provide good healthcare for a broad range of cases. However, if you're in a more life-threatening situation or are facing a complex case, you'd better get your ass to Emory Hospital, or you're not going to get better. The MCG doctors have mistreated and misdiagnose complex cases too many times for comfort.

Alright kids. And right above us, yeah, right there. This is a fine specimen of ignorance AND bull crap. Yep, that one ... umm, author is dentstd. See it? Good.

Please don't take to heart the BS dentstd spews - just my opinion and hopefully, you'll agree. Still, we can learn much through the ignorance of others. So let's begin the dissection, shall we?

"It's not like a dentist who had avg stats who went to an average school would even realize his skills may just be average."
Stuff like this only helps people fall prey to a victim mentality. Not everyone will but someone might buy into this rubbish and think, I'm not at fault; my school didn't train me properly. It's completely up to the individual as to how much they want to learn and advance clinically in their profession. That means you, yes you, are the sole person who dictates how great of a dentist you'll be whether you go to school A or school B. Even didactically, if you want to learn the stuff or do well on the boards, you still need to put in the time it takes to do that. Just because say, Columbia, has more classes thrown at you doesn't mean you can't do just as well on the boards if you went to any other school. Unless! unless you know you need to have that to learn. In that case, we're back to it's-up-to-the-individual.

"they think that they got a great training and are great dentists." or "In his own mind, he's an excellent dentist."
Well, I'm assuming, as pre-professionals and professionals, we'll have a little bit more self-awareness than these statements imply. Nonetheless, whoever this imaginary dentist is, it's not your problem. Just because they don't know, doesn't mean squat as far as your choice in school goes. This doesn't speak about the school but about the kind of person "imaginary dentist" is.

I'm not even touching "let me use an example in medicine." It's vile, terrible nastiness and should be avoided like the plague. Don't worry about some opinion on hospitals... that's completely irrelevant in your choice of d school.

edit: As for the clear and obvious implication that dentists who tell you to go to the cheaper dental school are ignorant about their own sub par abilities. That's just garbage.

dentstd: Your use of "it's not like .." doesn't make clearer or modify in any way the fact that your statement "they think they got a good training" implies that these dentists only believe they got a good training and not that they did get a good training. If you didn't intend for it to be up for interpretation, you ought to clarify and say what you really, truly, in your heart of hearts, mean. That way you needn't spend your time backpedaling. I'm just saving you some trouble, is all.


edit#2: i took out the name calling. altho it really isn't beneath me, i believe this is important and i do want this to be taken seriously. also, last thing i want to do is start a trend of that.
 
In the argument regarding Nova, doesn't Nova have lots of problems and very unhappy students? Seems to me that in the event that the reports are true, Nova isn't a place worth going to and 30k extra to avoid the place would be money well spent.

I've talked to lots of people at Nova, and I interviewed there (although I was rejected). I was pretty impressed with the whole shebang, and the students were all extremely happy to be attending there.
 
I went back today to thank all the oral surgeons I worked with. There are 4 of them full time in the office...(one fast crazy office!!), but 2 of them are Penn Alumni, 1 is Stony, and 1 id new jersey....... THe 2 Penn alumni tell me to go to Penn because it is " so much better" "if you want to be an oral surgeon go to Penn", and the other 2 are like..... GO to Stonybrook, save the money, it is all the same....... This issue in my opinion is EXACTLy the same as the private vs public undergrad...... Until you have been to both it is hard to make statements.....
 
Well, happiness is relative. How many people are "happy" during finals week?

Still finals week here and I am happy with my school, although sick of it 😀

I don't know enough about Nova to really argue one way or the other...you guys who have visited and/or spoken to students should have enough information to make your own decisions...and who knows where info is coming from on these forums, so it is of course, always best to make your own decision...
 
I guess I should say something since I sparked this hot debate. Again, Nova is not only 30K less than Penn, it'd be closer to about 150K cheaper considering I'll be living at home. My dentist has urged me to go to Penn because he insists Nova is just a degree mill. At the same time, I've spoken to countless students at Nova who I've known for a few years, and they love it there. I think it speaks to the individual where your personality and comfort level fit you most. I'm the type that doesn't deal well with changing locations or environments and who plans on practicing in South Florida post-graduation. I am obviously a capable student, considering I was accepted to an Ivy, so I think that I could succeed equally as well at a lesser known University. For example, I was afraid my undergrad might hinder my performance on the DAT because it's a lesser known state school (UCF), but I put in my time and effort and did well. I know that being the diligent student I am, I will do well regardless of the name on my certificate, and will my patients really care?
 
I guess I should say something since I sparked this hot debate. Again, Nova is not only 30K less than Penn, it'd be closer to about 150K cheaper considering I'll be living at home. My dentist has urged me to go to Penn because he insists Nova is just a degree mill. At the same time, I've spoken to countless students at Nova who I've known for a few years, and they love it there. I think it speaks to the individual where your personality and comfort level fit you most. I'm the type that doesn't deal well with changing locations or environments and who plans on practicing in South Florida post-graduation. I am obviously a capable student, considering I was accepted to an Ivy, so I think that I could succeed equally as well at a lesser known University. For example, I was afraid my undergrad might hinder my performance on the DAT because it's a lesser known state school (UCF), but I put in my time and effort and did well. I know that being the diligent student I am, I will do well regardless of the name on my certificate, and will my patients really care?

I cound NEVER live at home again haha.......I love my parents and enjoy their company, but I could never live with them again haha
 
I cound NEVER live at home again haha.......I love my parents and enjoy their company, but I could never live with them again haha

I rented houses down at school for my first 3 years and decided to live at home this year to save some money because the whole application process was so expensive.......

but living at home is BRUTAL.. my parents are great but I just can't imagine living here past August.
 
That's one of the places I went to, yes. I was in Buffalo for 3 days, and I toured as much of the city as I could, in every local neighborhood I could. So what would be good advice? What would be the hot parts of town? I'll gladly revisit the city, because going to that school'd save me many tens of thousands of dollars over SF.

Your first impression of Buffalo was correct. That's why I moved away from my 20's! I'm married now and am lucky enough to have a practice waiting in Buffalo to be handed to me so we'll probably move back in our early 30s.

That said go to UB and save money- you'll thank yourself later.
 
I guess I should say something since I sparked this hot debate. Again, Nova is not only 30K less than Penn, it'd be closer to about 150K cheaper considering I'll be living at home. My dentist has urged me to go to Penn because he insists Nova is just a degree mill. At the same time, I've spoken to countless students at Nova who I've known for a few years, and they love it there. I think it speaks to the individual where your personality and comfort level fit you most. I'm the type that doesn't deal well with changing locations or environments and who plans on practicing in South Florida post-graduation. I am obviously a capable student, considering I was accepted to an Ivy, so I think that I could succeed equally as well at a lesser known University. For example, I was afraid my undergrad might hinder my performance on the DAT because it's a lesser known state school (UCF), but I put in my time and effort and did well. I know that being the diligent student I am, I will do well regardless of the name on my certificate, and will my patients really care?

No school is worth the amount of money you'll save by staying at home. A degree from Nova and $5 gets you the same latte as a dentist from Penn 👍
 
reading this thread has been interested...some of you are talking about paying ~100k when you don't have to like its a drop in the bucket- all for the sake of "happiness" which is very relative and the more amazing thing to me is this is coming mostly from students who haven't been in the workforce long and don't completely have an idea of what it is like to pay bills, mortgage, car payments... etc...most of us if we checked our bank accounts now, don't even have $10k to our name....your experience in dental school will largely be based on what you make of it...and i think were forgetting dental school is only 4 years.....going on one interview or visiting a school a couple of times, in no way, really lets you know what it is like on a day-to day basis..... i am so amazed by the lakadaisical attitude towards debt as if every dentist is guaranteed to make as much money as being projected and as if life and other situations don't arise.....not just that, but i hope we don't forget that on the majority of loans we take out, interest starts to pile up starting day one.... well i wish you all luck on your decision but hope you think past the 4 years of dental school and about your future...
personally, i will rather be not as happy or not have as much fun as I could for 4 years...than be still paying student loans when important events come up like let's see...my wedding, honey moon, vacations, (God forbid) a death in the family or other events that require said money to be spent immediately....



sorry for the rant....😴
 
thanks litldime.. I think you're dead on

The main reason I started this thread was not really to debate whether I would go to a school that cost 170k more, it was to say I'm disappointed that money is going to end up being the only factor that affects my decision. I'm lucky enough to have loved both BU and UB, so the decision to go to UB is really a win win. It's just disappointing I can't really give BU a fair chance solely because of money.
 
About the whole living with the parents, it depends on what dental school you get accepted/attend. If you are going to attend in-state-school is it obvious you will live with your parents for the next 4 years of your life hahahahahah (that saying if u live close to the school of course) In my opinion, if i get accepted into VCU (Since I live in Richmond) i will be living with my parents... even tho I wanted to have the out-of-state life experience, i think that helps you alot... managing yourself.

Going back to the tuition and fees discusion, my opinion is that it depends on where you get accepted ... I wouldnt choose Harvard/UoP over my state school (VCU). VCU is
200K(if ur instate) cheaper than all of those "top" schools. and its a great school!!!
Some people will just dump 300K into their education thinking that after they graduate they gonna be 1 step ahead of everyone else... you might have a better clinic... good seats... or whatnot... but at the end were all going to have the same degree. It all depends on YOU!!!!!!! If you want to be the best, you will become the best.

Determination and discipline are the 2 characteristics that well need in order to become dentists, but some will go beyond that, and no matter what school you go to, at the end of your journey, you will get from it... what you have put into it.
 
reading this thread has been interested...some of you are talking about paying ~100k when you don't have to like its a drop in the bucket- all for the sake of "happiness" ...

WELL SAID!! :clap:
 
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