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Guys (males) how do you feel about your OB/GYN rotation?


Male physicians treating Female patients: Issues, Controversies and Gynecology

Jacques Balayla*

INTRODUCTION
The most precious and sacred form of personal information that we possess is our body. It is our own flesh and blood, which holds and sustains our being. Our body is our instrument for living. It is so personal and intimate that we frequently hide it, as though its public display would be a natural source of shame. Michel de Montaigne, the French Renaissance author, puts it well: "Man is the sole animal whose nudity offends his own companions and the only one who, in his natural actions, withdraws and hides himself from his own kind" (1).

Thus, it not surprising that visiting a physician and allowing for an intricate inspection and examination of our dearest possession, our body, is a source of trepidation and anxiety for us. Perhaps the deepest level of vulnerability in an exam is the genital and pelvic examination. A glimpse into history demonstrates that until very recently, pelvic examinations in women were handled by females, likely to ensure comfort and privacy all the while preventing improper interactions from male counterparts.

HISTORICAL PROGRESSION OF THE PELVIC EXAMINATION
The oldest medical text known to man is the "Kahun Gynecological Papyrus", written by the Egyptians around 1800 BCE. The papyrus provides a glance into early gynecological medicine and unveils the traditions of reproduction, conception and delivery in ancient Egypt. For the Egyptians, the main treatment modalities provided by the "swnw" (pronounced sounou, physician figure) were founded on pharmacopoeia from animals, plants and minerals; surgical intervention was never recommended (2). Magic spells were whispered, as it was believed that diseases were demonic in origin.

Due to compliance with religious doctrine, men were not allowed to be present at births or at other rituals that dealt with the intimate parts of a woman. Instead, it was the role of the midwife to take care of women and to assist them with their gynecological needs. Interestingly enough, the "Kahun Papyrus" provides some of the earliest evidence of midwifery in history.

Similarly, in the middle ages, it was often the norm for a woman's sexual organs to be examined by midwives, nurses or other females who previously had had similar problems to the patient's. By the early 1800's, with the advent of modern medical degrees and physical examinations, the pelvic exam began to be performed by male physicians, as women were not allowed to enroll in medical school. However, this examination was a variation of the modern version as it consisted of a "compromise" in which the physician kneeled before the woman but did not directly inspect her genitals, only palpated them. In addition, it was during this period that the use of a chaperone became a part of the clinical examination. The chaperone's role was to emotionally support and reassure the patient during a procedure that she found embarrassing or uncomfortable. The chaperone also acted as a witness in cases of malfeasance by the physician. Today, in many parts of the world where religious and cultural precepts often discourage female encounters with male physicians, chaperones still attend gynecological examinations.

By the 1970's, only 9% of enrolled medical students in the United States were women (3). The numbers have drastically increased since then: now 58% of medical students are women (4), yet there are still disparities in gender among the specialties. In Obstetrics and Gynecology, female residency enrolment rates have quadrupled from 1978 to the present, leaving men in the minority (women account for 71.8% of Obs/Gyn residents today). Between 1989 and 2002, the proportion of female Ob/Gyn residents rose from 44% to 74% while the proportion of female graduating medical students only increased from 33% to 44% (5).

As though influenced by the media, the observed trend among medical school graduates today is one where males are over-represented in surgical specialties and females are overrepresented in Obstetrics & Gynecology and Pediatrics, practices typically associated with the maternal role. Hence, it is well observed that throughout history and up until recent years, the male role in gynecology has been absent, indirect, or directly overlooked by a third party.

A DISPROPORTIONATE REPRESENTATION : REQUIRED OR STEREOTYPICAL?
The question of why female physicians are more attracted than men to Obstetrics & Gynecology programs is an interesting one. Is there truly a belief that women in the population are more comfortable being treated by women, especially in the context of sexuality? Or is this over-representation rooted in the desire of female doctors to project their own image and health onto the women that they treat? Conceivably, as Dr. Nelson Soucasaux puts it, it may be due to the fact "…that a great number of men have considerable psychological problems in relation to women and that the male psyche is naturally directed towards the female sex" (6) which makes some men uncomfortable and less willing to make a living treating women. While the true source of this disproportionate representation remains unclear; the literature provides interesting insight into societal views on the subject: A study from the department of Obstetrics and Gynecology from the University of Connecticut found that 66.6% of patients had no gender bias when selecting an obstetrician-gynecologist. In addition, 80.8% of patients felt that gender did not influence quality of care (3). These numbers suggest that there are factors other than gender that come into play when choosing a gynecologist. As demonstrated in the primary care literature, interpersonal style and communication appear to be the most important traits in physicians rather than gender (7).

THE MALE MEDICAL STUDENT PROBLEM
Clinicians have, consciously or unconsciously, come to realize that less negotiation for consent to involve a student in a pelvic examination will be needed if the student is female (8). A study from the Kingston General Hospital showed that 72.8% of clinic patients reported they would accept an intimate examination by a medical student of either gender, compared with only 32.1% of high school students. In addition, 22.2% of clinic patients indicated they would only accept a female student, in comparison to 55.3% of high school students who would do the same. This seemingly contradictory result demonstrates that as women move forward through the life cycle, gender bias is less observed. In reality, the proportion of subjects preferring female medical students was inversely related not to age, but rather to the number of previous breast or pelvic examinations (9).

Regardless of gender preference, various statements supporting medical student participation in intimate physical examinations were rated as "important" or "very important" by the majority of clinic patients and secondary school students alike.

Over the last two decades there has been an increase in demand for gynecologists and other women's health specialists. Though enrolment rates continue to rise in North American residency programs, waiting lists for screening tests and other basic gynecologic procedures are still markedly long. One of the many ways to respond to this demand is to foster the male interest in the specialty in medical students, in the hopes to augment the male enrolment rate later on. Why males specifically? Evidence shows that any stigma associated with being a "male gynecologist" is no longer accounted for, as the vast majority of patients don't necessarily prefer a female gynecologist over a male one. This misperception has been reinforced over the years by anti-male obstetrician-gynecologist biases in articles and advertisements published in popular women's magazines. Unfortunately, men in particular appear to be influenced by what they perceive as patient desire and the trends of the profession (9).

Positive early experiences with pelvic exams and general gynecology are a key determining factor in pushing a male medical graduate to consider a career in gynecology. Studies have shown that teaching programs involving professional patients are superior to teaching and learning on plastic models for both psychological and practical purposes. Furthermore, evaluation of student skills following the learning of examination techniques with professional patients compared with those who received training on office or clinical patients showed superior performance among the first group (10).

WHY WOMEN SHOULD ACCEPT AND ACTIVELY SEEK OUT MALE GYNECOLOGISTS
A study from the American Journal of Medicine reports that male obstetriciangynecologists claim longer visits with female patients than do female obstetrician-gynecologists, and exhibit more patient partnership behavior, suggesting that physician behavior and medical education can be adapted to further address patient needs (11). A different study from the Johns Hopkins school of Public Health suggests that in comparison to female obstetrician-gynecologists, male ones "were more likely to check that they understood the patient through paraphrasing and interpretation and to use orientations to direct the patient through the visit [...] Male physicians expressed more concern and partnership than female physicians" (12). In fact, men might even have a heightened sensitivity about the distress that a gynecological exam can cause as they themselves have never undergone one. Something as routine as a Pap smear can be a really difficult experience for some women, and some men might go more out of their way to be gentle and explain what they're doing than female gynecologists, who may feel it's not that big of a deal because they've been through the process themselves.

Finally, between the years 1998 and 2003, male and female graduating Obs/Gyn residents were both increasingly more likely to pursue fellowship training rather than enter the general Ob/ Gyn workforce, and these rates were consistently higher for men than they were for women (5). In other words, when a female patient requires gynecological tertiary care, she is more likely to be treated by a male physician and her attitudes towards this fact may impinge on the quality of care she receives. Hence, as multiple advantages of having a male gynecologist exist, our society should continue to embrace the practice of male gynecologists and further promote their positive role in the maintenance of women's health.

CONCLUSION
While the historical role of men in gynecologic procedures has been ambiguous, there is sufficient evidence in the literature today that demonstrates a gynecologist's gender is not an issue, as other characteristics of the physician, like communication and personal style take precedence. The therapeutic relationship between a woman and her gynecologist can be replete with subtleties regardless of the gynecologist's gender. While the role of gender in this therapeutic relationship remains controversial, male gynecologists continue to demonstrate an equal, and sometimes increased ability to provide high-quality care for women.

SOURCE: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3296153/

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I speak for a lot of my male friends...it's not the patient gender keeping males out of the profession.

More often it's because the high stress and high estrogen (90% female residents) breeds one hell of a nasty work environnent.
 
I speak for a lot of my male friends...it's not the patient gender keeping males out of the profession.

More often it's because the high stress and high estrogen (90% female residents) breeds one hell of a nasty work environnent.

I haven't seen those things at my home institution. I have seen a little bit of patient's not wanting a male student, but frankly we aren't essential so it doesn't bother me too much.

What steers me clear of Ob/Gyn is the that the day-to-day stuff is okay, but will I still enjoy putting in my 1000th IUD, doing my 75th TVH, or being in clinic the 2-3 half days (MINIMUM) necessary to keep a panel delivering and operating? What about when I'm 62 and I'm up in the middle of the night to deliver a patient? My guess is probably not. I like the cool stuff, delivering, ruptured ectopics, and some of the abdominal procedures. But I don't know that I like the other stuff enough to do it. Very cool specialty, but the day-to-day stuff is what would keep me out, not patient's asking for female physician or the field being predominantly female.
 
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I don't know what they are talking about in the conclusion that there is no strong preference among patients for a gynecologist of a certain gender. I recall reading a study that around 2/3 of women preferred a female gynecologist and of the remaining third most were indifferent as to gender. A small minority preferred a male gynecologist.
 
I guess I'm the first "Yes."

By the way, I don't trust surgeons without gallbladders to take out my gallbladder. Nor should a man trust anyone without a prostate to check his prostate... or woman trust anyone without ovaries.
 
OB/Gyn is second only to surgery in the sheer number of malignant *******s.
 
We just had a panel discussion at my school, led by the recently matched obgyn students. They said the field is desperate for men, and possessing a Y chromosome "adds 40 points to your Step 1 score on your application".

The panel was all female.
 
No thanks, Jeff.
 
All the females in the field = might as well put a bullet through my head now. Still wrestling with the idea of getting married. Being around my gf everyday? Idk man, that's tough.
 
I like the pathology and variety that the field has to offer, however the lifestyle sucks. I considered going into it but lifestyle is too important to me.
 
I'm all in. Great scope of practice; from bread and butter outpatient primary carer to high acuity surgery to highly specialized procedures. As for the all female dynamic, meh. I'll be busy enough in residency that if one pt refuses my care on account of my sex so be it. The residents are mostly female but the idea that its an estrogen fueled **** fest is just not true. Malignant programs breed malignant residents, the rest are just fine. I would encourage all students to be open to the idea when they rotate through, some guys might actually be surprised. (I wouldn't use it as a pick up line though...)
 
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A field where insurance costs are astronomical and you can be sued for adverse outcomes until the patient is 18? No thank you.
 
A field where insurance costs are astronomical and you can be sued for adverse outcomes until the patient is 18? No thank you.

This.

Not to purposefully de-rail this thread, but this is one of the main rasons OB is off my list.

http://www.wbaltv.com/news/maryland...ns/-/10131532/15277958/-/98elrgz/-/index.html

That being said at my hospital, if patients are uncomfortable with a med student in the room, the proportion of male med students asked to leave is significantly higher, but this is based off anecdote more than anything.

I also like women, and I don't want to see diseases down there that I will likely envision in my wife at any point in my life.

Oh, that and the all female work-force. No thanks.
 
I am not leaning toward the field for a variety of reasons, some of which have been mentioned already, but if I decided it was a great field and I really wanted to do it during third year rotations, I wouldn't let the fact that I am male keep me from going into it. I know there are practices where I wouldn't be welcome, and a good number of women who wouldn't want to see me as their OB/GYN, but there are certainly enough who wouldn't have a problem with it that being male wouldn't keep me out of the field. I don't plan on going into it, and will be surprised if rotations change my mind, but being male has little to do with aversion to the field.
 
OB/Gyn is second only to surgery in the sheer number of malignant *******s.

Culture matters. Now that medicine is moving away from the glory days of Knight in shining Armor with the $ and respect ofthe public, medical students are much less likely to take the BS and the abuse of old. I think this will slowly change when less and less students opt for these fields.

Not sure why it's like this on the first place.
 
Can anyone comment on lawsuits and malpractice for a male OB/GYN? OB/GYN in general is pretty high on lawsuits, etc. I feel that adding the male gender with a 100% female population is just a big hassle.
 
obviously I already matched IM but I have to say that obgyn had to be the absolute worst rotation with the most mundane complaints. I swear there are literally only 4 different complaints (pregnant woman with some normal complaint she thinks will kill her, vaginal bleeding, positive pregnancy test, and positive pap smear) with the treatments usually being delivery or hysterectomy. It takes almost no thought at all. This is not to mention the atrocious attitude residents possess (I actually found fellows/attendings to be pleasant for the most part).

Also as a male I do not find obgyn interesting in the least. My absolute least favorite complaint is "positive pregnancy test" or "vaginal bleeding". I absolutely hate doing those exams and as I said there are only a small handful of things that cause bleeding. So dang boring. Emergent deliveries are cool but everything else...
 
I said yes, I'm not necessarily planning on it, but I'm still open to the idea. High risk OB, or reproductive endo. could be really cool IMO.

And I may be in the minority, but Gyn wasn't that bad in pre-clinical's, we'll see what 3rd year brings I suppose.
 
There's a lot of interesting material in your post OP.

I like women's health conceptually and academically. I don't agree about the range of complaints. Any field can be reduced to clusters of repetitive complaints. IM is extremely repetitive around DM, CHF, etc. And anything exotic gets consulted on by everyone and their cousin Vinny.

But culture is very important to me as well. And having worked in an all female peds clinic for 2 years--what I can say is--if you haven't done it you ought to before pledging the Omega Beta Sorority.

Being surrounded by hormone trainwrecks in extreme pain while on 30 hour call with grumpy, moody, all female residents sounds like something Dante would describe in detail. And I didn't go to all this trouble to get my feet soaked with vag juice on hour 23 of a sleepless shift.

No way.

But for the male that likes the birth coaching and the delivery of new person into the world and all the cool stuff enough to look past it, by all accounts, it seems like a good field for a very specific sort of man.
 
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Thank you for all of your responses.

Most of my male friends, and Attendings in non-OB fields express disdain towards OB/GYN. But I did not understand or bother to ask them why. I figured SDN would be a good place to obtain insight on this issue.

All of the male OB/GYNs that I have met are amazing, they are well liked by their patients and colleagues, and appear to enjoy their jobs.

I wonder if any one has done a study to determine the predominant personality type / temperament of male Obstetriciangynecologists...
 
Culture matters. Now that medicine is moving away from the glory days of Knight in shining Armor with the $ and respect ofthe public, medical students are much less likely to take the BS and the abuse of old. I think this will slowly change when less and less students opt for these fields.

Not sure why it's like this on the first place.
Surgery is as competitive as ever.
 
Surgery is as competitive as ever.

At least partially, this is due to the the culture of BS seemingly reducing in surgery. N=1, but as part of my rotations, the surgery residents are generally well-adjusted, humane people. I've heard that the Ob/Gyn residents are super pissed off all the time and blame everything on the med student without teaching anything. Granted, surgery didn't have a lot of resident teaching, but I'll live with that as long as not everything is my fault.
 
I can personally vouch for that article. I really felt during my OB/GYN rotation that I wasn't learning as much as the female students simply because I was male. I would say that 5 out of every 10 patients I would see would not let me do a pelvic exam on them. Even worse I saw many patients actually refuse male RESIDENTS and ask for female ones.

Can you imagine not being able to learn in residency because patients are constantly rejecting you as their doctor? No thanks.

And the age thing is absolutely correct too. I don't think I did a single pelvic exam on a female teenager. All my pelvic exams were on women over 40.

I have twice the reason to hate teenage girls now: they wouldn't let me touch them in high school AND medical school. Bitches.
 
Pink medicine is pink medicine for a reason.

Girls don't like guys doing stuff in their hoohoos (especially when it's PID or something) when they can have another girl do it.
 
-Malignant residents and attendings
-Horrible work hours and lifestyle
-Extreme surplus of women results in a poor work environment
-Terrible patients who routinely discriminate and file lawsuits against you
-Institutional anti-male hiring discrimination in private practice.



Why would a man choose this field again?
 
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Pink medicine is pink medicine for a reason.

Girls don't like guys doing stuff in their hoohoos (especially when it's PID or something) when they can have another girl do it.

At my school there is a handful of rotation sites for OB/GYN that you can only go to if you are a female. It stems from patients there being uncomfortable around men, so the female physicians made a big deal to make it female only rotations

haha gotta love equality, when its convenient
 
I did not have a terrible time on this rotation, I rather liked it. I was only refused by a handful of patients. Maybe five patients out of dozens that I saw.

Pluses:
Nothing clinically beats delivering a baby into the world. Probably only saving someone's life, and that's a tossup

The reproductive system is quite interesting from the intellectual standpoint, at least the hormonal regulation, menstrual cycle, pregnancy, development of the baby, etc. are.

Gyn to a large degree is isolated from the rest of the body, so unlike IM or peds you can really just focus on your organ system without worrying about all the intersections with different systems. It's different with Ob, especially complicated Ob, of course, where you're sometimes playing a balancing act between mother and baby.

Minuses:
Bad lifestyle, lawsuits.

Most of the bread and butter is quite boring. Actually following a woman through a normal pregnancy is quite routine. You don't actually do much to help things along, you're just on the lookout for any problems that might come along. Vaginal bleeding can get rather boring too. The remaining etiologies just cause the gynecologists to jump to the answer to everything (i.e. hysterectomy).

The approach can get a bit crude, as in "let's just do a hysterectomy." This kind of attitude doesn't exist in general surgery or God forbid neurosurgery because the organs are more critical, so the surgeon has to get a bit more creative about preserving function. In Ob/Gyn, if all else fails, just do a hysterectomy. And the threshold for "all else" is set quite low.

Abortion, contraception, and "women's health" (in the ideological sense) pervades the field, and has totally sullied it.
 
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Abortion, contraception, and "women's health" (in the ideological sense) pervades the field, and has totally sullied it.

Someone doesn't like abortion or contraception...

This is true though and it can get to the point of being weird. We had one of the ObGyns who lectured tell us that she "loves" doing abortions. I mean I'm not opposed to abortion but loving doing them is a bit much....
 
Someone doesn't like abortion or contraception...

This is true though and it can get to the point of being weird. We had one of the ObGyns who lectured tell us that she "loves" doing abortions. I mean I'm not opposed to abortion but loving doing them is a bit much....
I think I might have stood up and walked out at that point....
 
Someone doesn't like abortion or contraception...

This is true though and it can get to the point of being weird. We had one of the ObGyns who lectured tell us that she "loves" doing abortions. I mean I'm not opposed to abortion but loving doing them is a bit much....

What the **** 🙁
 
For the guys who are angry that women don't want them in the room or don't want them to do a pap smear on them... put yourself in their shoes. Listen to so many of the comments on this thread. "I don't want to work with all women" "sounds like a nightmare being around all those hormonal women" I don't want it to ruin women for me" etc. men are often so hostile to women as it is, and listening to the way the guys in my class talk about women's bodies is a little bit appalling. No wonder these women don't want some 23 year old frat boy to exam them. Obviously not all the men in my class or on here are like that, but I'm just sayin, it's something to consider.
 
For the guys who are angry that women don't want them in the room or don't want them to do a pap smear on them... put yourself in their shoes. Listen to so many of the comments on this thread. "I don't want to work with all women" "sounds like a nightmare being around all those hormonal women" I don't want it to ruin women for me" etc. men are often so hostile to women as it is, and listening to the way the guys in my class talk about women's bodies is a little bit appalling. No wonder these women don't want some 23 year old frat boy to exam them. Obviously not all the men in my class or on here are like that, but I'm just sayin, it's something to consider.

Have you done an Ob gyn rotation?
 
For the guys who are angry that women don't want them in the room or don't want them to do a pap smear on them... put yourself in their shoes. Listen to so many of the comments on this thread. "I don't want to work with all women" "sounds like a nightmare being around all those hormonal women" I don't want it to ruin women for me" etc. men are often so hostile to women as it is, and listening to the way the guys in my class talk about women's bodies is a little bit appalling. No wonder these women don't want some 23 year old frat boy to exam them. Obviously not all the men in my class or on here are like that, but I'm just sayin, it's something to consider.

You're welcome to have a pelvic exam performed by a perfectly homely and undersexed woman. I want you to have that experience. The last thing I ever want to do is fumble around doing one.

But the men who want to, want to because they want to learn the field or want to be ready for residency. Unfortunately for them they will face obstacles. Trust me, none of us who don't want to are going to be upset at being told to leave the room. I celebrated on the inside when the all too infrequent opportunities to be a goofy obtrusive man presented themselves so that I could recuse myself in the most gentlemanly way possible.

But for men who want to train in this field it's an interesting problem. And apparently not in accordance with your representation as the article in the OP seems to indicate the opposite of what you're saying.

Ultimately, your being appalled is hilarious. Equality is a 2 way street. And we can laugh at female driven culture without compunction of your repremand. We're not your boyfriend. Deal with it.

Fire off some jokes about ortho. Those are funny too. But the jump to be righteously offended is just.....funny.
 
You're welcome to have a pelvic exam performed by a perfectly homely and undersexed woman. I want you to have that experience. The last thing I ever want to do is fumble around doing one.

But the men who want to, want to because they want to learn the field or want to be ready for residency. Unfortunately for them they will face obstacles. Trust me, none of us who don't want to are going to be upset at being told to leave the room. I celebrated on the inside when the all too infrequent opportunities to be a goofy obtrusive man presented themselves so that I could recuse myself in the most gentlemanly way possible.

But for men who want to train in this field it's an interesting problem. And apparently not in accordance with your representation as the article in the OP seems to indicate the opposite of what you're saying.

Ultimately, your being appalled is hilarious. Equality is a 2 way street. And we can laugh at female driven culture without compunction of your repremand. We're not your boyfriend. Deal with it.

Fire off some jokes about ortho. Those are funny too. But the jump to be righteously offended is just.....funny.

Bro don't you know how hot pelvic exams are? I'm gonna go talk to my frat bros later about what a kickin cervix that one hottie had. It's hard to do them though because I snicker every time I think about the word "vagina".
 
Bro don't you know how hot pelvic exams are? I'm gonna go talk to my frat bros later about what a kickin cervix that one hottie had. It's hard to do them though because I snicker every time I think about the word "vagina".

:laugh:

Seriously. The stories that get passed around the OB ward--by women...I sense the salivation of the excited to be offended crowd--are the opposite of hot.
 
The perfect audition for OB/Gyn is a pregnant wife or girlfriend. Try that sucker out for 9 months. Now multiply that by 10 because that's all you'll be seeing everyday for the rest of your life.

When my wife was pregnant, I'd get yelled at for the stupidest ****. **** you not, I got yelled at for buying the wrong container of mustard one time. It was the right brand, just in an easy squeeze instead of the glass bottle. That's the BS you have to put up with, but at least when the little ****er is out, most of that hormonal bull**** is over.
 
i wanted to be an ob/gyn

i love the field. delivering babies is awesome. surgery is awesome.

i was rejected by some women in the or, for pelvic exams, etc etc.

mainly the super religious ones, orthodox jews, muslims, etc etc

i chose not to go into ob/gyn, not because a few patients didnt let me examine them etc. is that unfair? yes. and of course it made me angry and bothered me. but whatever, if thats their belief, then that's their belief, although IMO medicine should supersede religion and

i chose not to go into it b/c -malpractice, -lifestyle
 
The perfect audition for OB/Gyn is a pregnant wife or girlfriend. Try that sucker out for 9 months. Now multiply that by 10 because that's all you'll be seeing everyday for the rest of your life.

When my wife was pregnant, I'd get yelled at for the stupidest ****. **** you not, I got yelled at for buying the wrong container of mustard one time. It was the right brand, just in an easy squeeze instead of the glass bottle. That's the BS you have to put up with, but at least when the little ****er is out, most of that hormonal bull**** is over.

:meanie:
 
Obviously not.


Women are not the same as men. They deal with stress different, it creates a different work environment. Period.


People deal with stress differently. It's not just relegated to a sex difference.
 
My OB/Gyn rotation was a very strange experience. For reference, I am a dude.

I actually really loved delivering babies, doing c-sections, and managing patients who were undergoing labor, antepartum, and postpartum. It was academically interesting to me AND I really liked the patients that I had. They were all really grateful to their doctors and they showed a genuine interest in their health. Plus, I'm interested in continuity of care, and OB/Gyn doctors have some degree of continuity with their patients whether they're pregnant or not. MFM and REI as subspecialties were also incredibly interesting to me.

On the other hand, I loathed gyn. I hated gyn-onc with a passion because of the poor outcomes with many of the malignancies, the long surgeries, the general crappy attitude of the gyn/onc surgeons, etc. I disliked gyn because it didn't interest me academically and the gyn surgeons I rotated with were among the worst I had ever seen. Also worth mentioning is that while I had some good residents, many of the residents were among the most catty and miserable I'd ever seen, even more so than the most overworked gen surg residents.

On top of that, the malpractice is prohibitively expensive (not to mention the kind of stuff people sue for in this litigious society), and there isn't a huge market for pure OB practice on top of that. So in general, although I loved aspects of OB, I decided it wasn't a specialty for me and I went with IM.
 
Someone doesn't like abortion or contraception...

This is true though and it can get to the point of being weird. We had one of the ObGyns who lectured tell us that she "loves" doing abortions. I mean I'm not opposed to abortion but loving doing them is a bit much....

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You're welcome to have a pelvic exam performed by a perfectly homely and undersexed woman. I want you to have that experience. The last thing I ever want to do is fumble around doing one.

But the men who want to, want to because they want to learn the field or want to be ready for residency. Unfortunately for them they will face obstacles. Trust me, none of us who don't want to are going to be upset at being told to leave the room. I celebrated on the inside when the all too infrequent opportunities to be a goofy obtrusive man presented themselves so that I could recuse myself in the most gentlemanly way possible.

But for men who want to train in this field it's an interesting problem. And apparently not in accordance with your representation as the article in the OP seems to indicate the opposite of what you're saying.

Ultimately, your being appalled is hilarious. Equality is a 2 way street. And we can laugh at female driven culture without compunction of your repremand. We're not your boyfriend. Deal with it.

Fire off some jokes about ortho. Those are funny too. But the jump to be righteously offended is just.....funny.

My only issue with this is that if OB continues these trends and ends up in a place where it's 90% female and continues with an anti-male student attitude, then it should not continue to be a required rotation. Especially not for 6-8 weeks like it currently is at many medical schools. Teach the absolutely necessary in 1-2 weeks and then let it be an elective. If you're not wanted and are going to be consistently kicked out and unable to learn and be incredibly unlikely to pick the field then you shouldn't be forced to waste your time.
 
Go into OB-GYN? That's a negative ghost rider, the pattern is full
 
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