Marian Osteopathic School

[Hockeyfan23]

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I recently emailed the assistant to the dean at Marian and she said they will be accepting applications this summer for their first class entering in the fall of 2013. As stated in previous posts, my gpa is just okay (cgpa 3.4, sgpa 3.15, MCAT in May). Any thoughts on this route? I am from the Chicagoland area so being in Indianapolis for a couple years would not bother me at all.

 

[SoulinNeed]

Really? Any news on tuition? Going by their website, they seemed to be a ways off. Any idea what hospitals they're associating with for rotations, or hopefully, any residency programs?

 

[Hockeyfan23]

Really? Any news on tuition? Going by their website, they seemed to be a ways off. Any idea what hospitals they're associating with for rotations, or hopefully, any residency programs?

http://www.marian.edu/osteopathic-medical-school/admissions/Pages/RequirementsforAdmission.aspx

This is where I got my initial info. Then I contacted the assistant to the dean and she emailed me back saying they will be taking applications this summer for the class entering in 2013.

 

[SoulinNeed]

http://www.marian.edu/osteopathic-medical-school/admissions/Pages/RequirementsforAdmission.aspx

This is where I got my initial info. Then I contacted the assistant to the dean and she emailed me back saying they will be taking applications this summer for the class entering in 2013.

It looks like they do have decent expectations, but I don't know how many people will be applying considering so little people know just a few months before application season begins.

 

[Hockeyfan23]

I see that as a good thing. I do not want to take a year off, so it is a much better option then caribbean

 

[beckhunter116]

Besides the link, any more information??? Do they have a specific mission to fill? Any feedback from students who were the first class somewhere would really help out students thinking of applying here!

 

[xBODOMx]

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[Drrrrrr. Celty]

It's interesting because they seem to be competetive about the GPA wanting 3.4s, but state a 24mcat is competitive, which seems pretty low.

It's a new school in an area with a lot of good in-state favoring schools. Why would a student who can likely with an above average Mcat 26-27 and can get into CCOM or SLU or even UIC attend Marin? They will be lucky if their average mcat is above a 25.

 

[ManBroDude]

I agree. They're going to have to make some concessions to lure in their first class (read: set of guinea pigs). I'm thinking tuition breaks.

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

I agree. They're going to have to make some concessions to lure in their first class (read: set of guinea pigs). I'm thinking tuition breaks.

DO schools never do tuition breaks, there are more than enough students with extremely low stats that will have no chance of getting into any established school and as such will go to Marian.

 

[THH]

I cannot for the life of me understand why there are still more schools being opened...

 

[TriagePreMed]

I cannot for the life of me understand why there are still more schools being opened...

You can't understand how money works?

 

[ManBroDude]

...or the primary care physician shortage?

 

[THH]

You can't understand how money works?

Oh, trust me, I very much understand that.

...or the primary care physician shortage?

Let me know when you create those GME spots and then we'll talk.

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

I cannot for the life of me understand why there are still more schools being opened...

Walmart style order of opperation, but who knows? Maybe Marian will be different and create 100 new specialty residencies for the DO match 😍. But I doubt it...

 

[chiddler]

Why is it bad that new schools are opening? What is GME?

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

Why is it bad that new schools are opening? What is GME?

There are plethora of reasons why new DO schools are bad, ranging from substandard students being accepted ( Lowering MD's opinion of DO's), students not having sufficient connections and crap clerkmanships, to an inevitablely residency crunch, which will undoubtedly hurt these students at low tier schools most.

GME = Graduate Medical Education or Residency.

 

[chiddler]

students not having sufficient connections and crap clerkmanships

Could you also please define clerkmanships for me, please :x

What do you mean not having sufficient connections?

sorry don't mean to turn this into an interview. i'm really curious 😛

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

Could you also please define clerkmanships for me, please :x
3rd & 4th year rotations.
What do you mean not having sufficient connections?
This is related to the deficiency of clerkmanships as well as to having a relatively weak OPTI, which effective limits your ability to go do away rotations at stronger places or to do audition rotations for certain competitive residencies.
For example, if you're going to a more established DO school like, CCOM, you'll have the ability to rotate at hundreds of established sites in Chicago and far away if you like.
sorry don't mean to turn this into an interview. i'm really curious 😛

I mean, do you wonder why people are more thrilled to attend CCOM or DMU over lets say {insert unoffensive lower tier DO school}? Because those schools are well established and have a strong history of providing their graduates massive amounts of opportunity to get into any residency.

 

[WhiteCoatSyndrome]

This is something I've been keeping an eye on for some time, as I am an Indiana resident. Basically, the reason the school was able to start in the first place was due to a single, very large donation by a man who was tired of there only being one medical school in Indiana (IU). So, that along with the fact that Indiana has a huge primary care shortage are two good reasons for a DO school. I believe that fall 2013 is indeed the first class. At least that is what the DO I shadow with ( who happens to be on marians adcom) said.

 

[Member000000]

Besides the link, any more information??? Do they have a specific mission to fill? Any feedback from students who were the first class somewhere would really help out students thinking of applying here!

It is a Catholic university and they want Primary Care physicians who will stay in Indiana. They have a good nursing program currently and are hoping to have the Med students work with the Nursing students to some degree.

This is something I've been keeping an eye on for some time, as I am an Indiana resident. Basically, the reason the school was able to start in the first place was due to a single, very large donation by a man who was tired of there only being one medical school in Indiana (IU). So, that along with the fact that Indiana has a huge primary care shortage are two good reasons for a DO school. I believe that fall 2013 is indeed the first class. At least that is what the DO I shadow with ( who happens to be on marians adcom) said.

This. Except replace DO with MD and he is not an adcom, but is with one of the hospitals they will be working with.

 

[UTsksk]

It is a Catholic university and they want Primary Care physicians who will stay in Indiana. They have a good nursing program currently and are hoping to have the Med students work with the Nursing students to some degree.


This. Except replace DO with MD and he is not an adcom, but is with one of the hospitals they will be working with.

Future doctors working with future nurses? NO WAY! 😀

 

[Hockeyfan23]

I mean to be honest, every DO school says they hope to increase the population of primary care physicians in their home state. Thats the philosophy of every DO school in the country. That doesn't mean thats always the case. You should be able to specialize if you want and apply for residency outside of Indiana

 

[chiddler]

I mean to be honest, every DO school says they hope to increase the population of primary care physicians in their home state. Thats the philosophy of every DO school in the country. That doesn't mean thats always the case. You should be able to specialize if you want and apply for residency outside of Indiana

well you are able to lol. i don't think they'll reject every applicant that does not fit in their mission, right?

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

well you are able to lol. i don't think they'll reject every applicant that does not fit in their mission, right?

Well if your average applicant has a 3.4/24 then the majority will fail the USMLE Step 1 and probably do relatively low on the COMLEX + have no audition rotations = majority going into primary care forcibly.

 

[Hockeyfan23]

Its all about the students preference. I dont think the first class will be too competitive.

 

[chiddler]

Well if your average applicant has a 3.4/24 then the majority will fail the USMLE Step 1 and probably do relatively low on the COMLEX + have no audition rotations = majority going into primary care forcibly.

so everybody wins!

except the doctors...

 

[Hockeyfan23]

Well if your average applicant has a 3.4/24 then the majority will fail the USMLE Step 1 and probably do relatively low on the COMLEX + have no audition rotations = majority going into primary care forcibly.

I disagree, there are people with stats lower than those that get into many other schools (DO mostly) and the schools they are in have pretty good pass rates and exam scores. It depends on the student and what they do with their education. Especially since this is a new school, we all know they will work even harder to over prepare their students to do excellent, esp since they will only have provisional status until the first class graduates.

 

[chiddler]

I disagree, there are people with stats lower than those that get into many other schools (DO mostly) and the schools they are in have pretty good pass rates and exam scores. It depends on the student and what they do with their education. Especially since this is a new school, we all know they will work even harder to over prepare their students to do excellent, esp since they will only have provisional status until the first class graduates.

Perhaps, but statistically speaking he's probably right.

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

I disagree, there are people with stats lower than those that get into many other schools (DO mostly) and the schools they are in have pretty good pass rates and exam scores. It depends on the student and what they do with their education. Especially since this is a new school, we all know they will work even harder to over prepare their students to do excellent, esp since they will only have provisional status until the first class graduates.

I don't deal in anecdotes, I play in evidence and research.

 

[UTsksk]

A part of me wants to apply to this school due to increased odds of interviewing, but I don't really think I want to be involved as the first class since who knows what will happen with the curriculum and rotations. I thought it was interesting that on their page, they indicate that they'll consider an applicant "competitive" with a 3.2 gpa. That should entice some people to try it out.

 

[chiddler]

A part of me wants to apply to this school due to increased odds of interviewing, but I don't really think I want to be involved as the first class since who knows what will happen with the curriculum and rotations. I thought it was interesting that on their page, they indicate that they'll consider an applicant "competitive" with a 3.2 gpa. That should entice some people to try it out.

I think I will. better than post bac, anyway...

Will definitely do more research though.

 

[SoulinNeed]

A part of me wants to apply to this school due to increased odds of interviewing, but I don't really think I want to be involved as the first class since who knows what will happen with the curriculum and rotations. I thought it was interesting that on their page, they indicate that they'll consider an applicant "competitive" with a 3.2 gpa. That should entice some people to try it out.

I think that might actually be their minimum GPA.

 

[UTsksk]

I think that might actually be their minimum GPA.

I think I remember reading that their minimum was 3.0. Too lazy to go back and check even though its a click away 😀

 

[Temperature101]

A part of me wants to apply to this school due to increased odds of interviewing, but I don't really think I want to be involved as the first class since who knows what will happen with the curriculum and rotations. I thought it was interesting that on their page, they indicate that they'll consider an applicant "competitive" with a 3.2 gpa. That should entice some people to try it out.

cGPA is 3.16 and sGPA 3.28...should I even aplly to that school since they put so much emphasis on that 3.2 GPAs?

 

[HopefulDoc1984]

Well if your average applicant has a 3.4/24 then the majority will fail the USMLE Step 1 and probably do relatively low on the COMLEX + have no audition rotations = majority going into primary care forcibly.

I got a 19 on the MCAT my first try. I got a 256 on USMLE 1, 690 on COMLEX 1 and 785 on COMLEX 2. The MCAT means nothing. And my GPA was 3.52. Anyone can kill these exams if they study hard enough.

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

Anecdotes and mega outliers.

 

[Hockeyfan23]

cGPA is 3.16 and sGPA 3.28...should I even aplly to that school since they put so much emphasis on that 3.2 GPAs?

I would say you should give it a shot temp101...they claim above 3.2 makes you competitive so give it a try.

 

[Hockeyfan23]

Anecdotes and mega outliers.

If you do recall, this same thing happened to Touro college in New York which is also relatively new. I believe the first class stats were something like 3.3 avg gpa and 26 avg mcat. They also had an high pass rate and residency placemement.

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

If you do recall, this same thing happened to Touro college in New York which is also relatively new. I believe the first class stats were something like 3.3 avg gpa and 26 avg mcat. They also had an high pass rate and residency placemement.

I believe their first class's COMLEX pass rate was around an 80%. Though that likely is due more to confounding things like being a new school with no upperclassmen and not aptitude. But regardless a 26 is a lot closer to the magic 27 ( Score that the pass rate plateaus) than a 24.

 

[DocEspana]

I believe their first class's COMLEX pass rate was around an 80%. Though that likely is due more to confounding things like being a new school with no upperclassmen and not aptitude. But regardless a 26 is a lot closer to the magic 27 ( Score that the pass rate plateaus) than a 24.

Was gonna be what I was going to type.

 

[HarMegido]

The administration and university is just looking to make some quick bucks. IU has a pretty comprehensive and strong medical education system in the state. I'm pretty sure IU has been monitoring Indiana's physician needs for a long time now. And any school saying they are opening to make up for the primary care deficit is a lie; they're going advertising their specialty match into big money specialties in a few years. Plus there's no guarantee that their graduates are going to stay in the state.

 

[chiddler]

The administration and university is just looking to make some quick bucks. IU has a pretty comprehensive and strong medical education system in the state. I'm pretty sure IU has been monitoring Indiana's physician needs for a long time now. And any school saying they are opening to make up for the primary care deficit is a lie; they're going advertising their specialty match into big money specialties in a few years. Plus there's no guarantee that their graduates are going to stay in the state.

i'd think that students from indiana have a higher tendency to stay in-state.

 

[Hockeyfan23]

According to the website, the overall gpa and interview are weighed the heaviest. Im not sure if this is the same for most DO schools as well.

 

[GypsyHummus]

i'd think that students from indiana have a higher tendency to stay in-state.

Are they giving preference for Indiana students?

I think that alot of Indiana students who cant get into IU will end up going this path. I dont understand why they didnt just open up more seats at IU instead of making a whole new school. IU is actually a really strong medical school.

Not alot of people in Indiana know what a DO is. This will be a great option for people who couldnt for whatever reason, get into IU med school, and I actually think that It will be one of the new DO schools that actually help the profession. People get rejected from IU with 3.6 and 28 on the MCAT. This school might make some good doctors who were not given a chance at IU.

I think that the "3.2, 24 MCAT" is a message of "Dont get below a 3.2 or 24 on the MCAT". IU's minimum is 3.2 and 25 MCAT for an interview.

A school I was looking at, Oakland, had the same cutoffs as Marion COM. Their average ended up being a 3.6 and a 31 MCAT for first year class.

Every biology undergrad in Indiana will be applying to this school, mark my words.

 

[Hockeyfan23]

Are they giving preference for Indiana students?

I think that alot of Indiana students who cant get into IU will end up going this path. I dont understand why they didnt just open up more seats at IU instead of making a whole new school. IU is actually a really strong medical school.

Not alot of people in Indiana know what a DO is. This will be a great option for people who couldnt for whatever reason, get into IU med school, and I actually think that It will be one of the new DO schools that actually help the profession. People get rejected from IU with 3.6 and 28 on the MCAT. This school might make some good doctors who were not given a chance at IU.

I think that the "3.2, 24 MCAT" is a message of "Dont get below a 3.2 or 24 on the MCAT". IU's minimum is 3.2 and 25 MCAT for an interview.

A school I was looking at, Oakland, had the same cutoffs as Marion COM. Their average ended up being a 3.6 and a 31 MCAT for first year class.

Every biology undergrad in Indiana will be applying to this school, mark my words.

Im not sure if that is correct. If you plan on going to IU as an MD then applying to Marian jus as a last resort is not the right reason to apply. I think this school being new will definitely take the students who are truly passionate for osteopathic medicine.

 

[rad0nc]

Im not sure if that is correct. If you plan on going to IU as an MD then applying to Marian jus as a last resort is not the right reason to apply. I think this school being new will definitely take the students who are truly passionate for osteopathic medicine.

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

Im not sure if that is correct. If you plan on going to IU as an MD then applying to Marian jus as a last resort is not the right reason to apply. I think this school being new will definitely take the students who are truly passionate for osteopathic medicine.

You have the logic of a future OMM resident.

 

[Hockeyfan23]

You have the logic of a future OMM resident.

im not sure whether that was a compliment or a call out haha

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

im not sure whether that was a compliment or a call out haha

I dont know, does cranial work yet?