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Everytime I see cranial I think the same thing: That is the weirdest f**king Hadouken I've ever seen
I'm still confused, I know that the undergrad is a private school, but will this be state supported as a medical school?
Are Indiana students going to be given preference? Because if not, then the whole expansion of primary care for Indiana is bull snizzle. Like seriously, this is an excuse to make money. I would rather have them add more seats to IU to address the primary care issue.
People who cant get into IU med school dont usually want to go DO, in fact I know many people who got accepted to DO schools but take an extra year just to try and get accepted to IU med school. But I bet a majority of them will pay the +50K just so that they can be a "doctor"
I think this will encourage an "Easy way out". If they want to expand the DO profession in a good way, why not establish it at a reputable school like Purdue. There are so many other good schools in Indiana, heck even in the surrounding area.
Are Indiana students going to be given preference? Because if not, then the whole expansion of primary care for Indiana is bull snizzle. Like seriously, this is an excuse to make money. I would rather have them add more seats to IU to address the primary care issue.
People who cant get into IU med school dont usually want to go DO, in fact I know many people who got accepted to DO schools but take an extra year just to try and get accepted to IU med school. But I bet a majority of them will pay the +50K just so that they can be a "doctor"
I think this will encourage an "Easy way out". If they want to expand the DO profession in a good way, why not establish it at a reputable school like Purdue. There are so many other good schools in Indiana, heck even in the surrounding area.
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For most established state schools a medical school is a money sink as opposed to stand alone professional schools were it is a business. Most medium sized schools like Purdue wouldn't want to open a medical school and if they did they would be held to a higher standard than some smaller professional school that can basically buy the bare minimal and still get away with it. For Purdue to open up a substandard medical school would be an insult to the schools overall reputation.
So basically 1) It's too expensive, 2) Bare minimal isn't going to cut it, extra money will be needed to make it shine = Even more expensive. 3) By the time you drop all of that cash you can probably make it a MD school.
Everytime I see cranial I think the same thing: That is the weirdest f**king Hadouken I've ever seen
You didn't press B along with ->. That's why no destructive wave came out.
so how do you get state osteopathic schools to develop? they seem to be the strongest ones. MSU, TCOM, OUCOM, etc.
Economic surplus?
Even if the tuition is 70K/year ...I will be happy to get an accceptance from them cause it's desperation time for me with my 3.15 cGPA and 3.28 sGPA and expecting a mid-to-upper 20s mcat.
Yea I wouldnt mind an acceptance from here either (3.4 cgpa, 3.2 sgpa, no mcat yet). I highly doubt the tuition will be 70k haha
Your GPAs are not that bad compare to mine. I think 25+ mcat would give you a decent change at many low tier DO schools if you apply early and other components of your application are OK.
It is good to be realistic.
Especially good if you dont want to go to the Caribbean. I would imagine if you truly wanted into an osteopathic school, you could snag an acceptance from somewhere.
Then again, it is all up to that MCAT. I think if you can break a 30, you can get in.
And if it doesnt work out, there is always podiatry school 👍. They make good money and have good lifestyles
My school doesn't even care about increasing # of primary care docs. The number of ortho, reds, anes, EM a school graduates increases the "prestige" of that school, DO or MD. I've seen ortho candidates get more help from school officials than FP candidates.
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I'm in the same boat as you guys. 3.26 gpa here, im thinking I can score high 20s low 30s on my mcat but I hate making premature predictions. Personally im def going to apply to this school once the cycle starts. I also have my heart set on DO and will do whatever it takes to get at least one acceptance because that's all it takes..
I would go to pharmacy before even thinking about podiatry.
the AOA is basically able to infiltrate the state legislature and bring the promise of educating more PCP docs for the state while bringing in additional capital for the state universities.
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And I would go PhD in Clinical Neuropsychology before anything other than an MD or DO.
Why does everyone always rip on podiatry? It would definitely be my #2, and their education and practice is way closer to that of medicine than is pharmacy.
Seriously, if podiatry were a sub-field of medicine, it would be super-competitive. Good hours, good pay. It's a medicine's least-known lifestyle specialty.
It's effectively an orthopedic surgery sub-specialty, but regardless, it has its own problems, like not having enough residencies for graduates. But other than that if you like feet and want to do surgery then podiatry is a great alternative, especially if you want to party and live it up in college, the admission requirements are hilariously low.
bro, make sure to not say that when on an MD/DO interview. i know its true and all but it might make your interviewer feel as though you're not committed enough to becoming a physician.
I don't get it... i'm saying my only other alternative to an MD or DO is to go for Clinical neuropsychology... Was there a miscommunication?
meh, the question "what would you do if you didn't get into med school this cycle" comes up a lot during interviews. the answer they're looking for is that you'll say something to the extent of bettering your app and apply next year which shows dedication and passion...if you say hmm i'll apply to be a pod or neuropsychologist may bring the follow up statement on why not go that route altogether in the first place.
anyways its not a big deal...we all know what you're "gunning" for
Lol... what's with this opinion of me as a gunner? But ok, I wouldn't say that during an interview...
... you are joking, right?
Podiatry is a surgical field, which specializes in the feet and legs. It is significantly closer related than pharmacy, which for the most part is a specialty with very little direct clinical work. For the most part Podiatry is equivalent in practice to Knee and Ankle orthopedic surgery field and is relatively low stress and generates quite a good amount of income.
Spot on, except I think that they have a fair amount of clinical work, most operate their own practice.
Do not think poorly of this career choice, I have some family in the specialty and they absolutely love their choice. Its not just for people who couldnt get into MD or DO schools. The only thing I'm surprised about is how low the stats are for entrance. I heard that it is very difficult to make it through though, just as tough as medical school. And tuition is steep.
I agree, it's a career choice worth choosing if the lower extremities interest you. However a lot of people do likely choose it due to having extremely poor performances in college, with the average entrance requirements hovering around a 3.3/23 it is severely uncompetitive. In regards to tuition scholarships are given to students competitive for DO schools, if you've got a 3.6/27 you probably can get a full ride. However it probably does have a high attrition level and I've heard that there are problems regarding graduate education( Residency) being unfunded/ not having enough positions for everyone.
But again, if you like feet and you have decent enough stats, go for it.
As far as I understand, a private school with a medical school will have no state support. If I am wrong, someone please correct me.
Even if the school doesn't have the type of regional preference that MSU-COM has, for example, the school is still going to attract a large amount of students from IN and the surrounding states, which will result in putting out students who return to practice there. Just because there aren't a ton of residencies in the state doesn't mean students won't go out, do their residency and come back. Generally speaking, bringing in students to your state for four years is going to increase the chances that they'll consider practicing there. You make connections and form ties to the area while in school, so again....just because they may not have a 70% bias toward IN residents doesn't mean it won't address the primary care need in the state.
Adding more seats to IU isn't necessarily the solution. I can't sit here and say I have stats on this, but DO schools do tend to put out students that do primary care. It is the mission after all.
Your statement about students who can't get into IU don't usually want to go DO...I guess I can't see that because I know plenty who have done this. I don't believe my stats would have gotten me into IU, even as an instate resident...I opted to do their master's program, but never with the intention of applying there honestly. Who ends up doing what seems to be a mix....some will fight to the death to attend IU because they want to stay in Indiana, or they refuse not to have the MD, but honestly, it goes both ways. Where is the $50k you're talking about coming from, just out of curiosity? My tuition only runs around $6k more a year than IU so I was just wondering if you meant over 4 years it's an extra $50k, or if you were referencing schools that cost $50k each year (which as far as I know are the rarity).
As far as Purdue goes, too, I imagine with the alliance that they have with IU via the IUPUI connection....they aren't going to open up a program. There's already a satellite campus in West Lafayette, so it seems doubtful that that would ever exist. That's the thing...IU's satellites infilatrate most of the other cities with universities. It always seemed to me like there would never be a chance of another medical school opening up there because of that. And honestly, just because a school doesn't have the national name recognition that a lot of schools do doesn't mean that they aren't providing good educations. Not to mention that their undergraduate education really has nothing to do with what medical education they will provide, really.
I don't know....I guess I always thought this school might end up being a good thing for a couple reasons:
a.) people always gripe about the location of the new DO schools (though I think if you want to put primary care/rural med docs out, it's smart to open them in places that match that atmosphere; students willing to attend school in that rural area setting often PREFER it and will practice there one day by choice). At least this setting is a more preferred setting for many students and will hopefully attract some of the DO applicants that will only look at the bigger city DO schools.
b.) There's already an osteopathic hospital set in Indy. It seems like a perfect opportunity to set up a new DO school that can have a hospital tie. Yet another common complaint of those in opposition to new DO schools opening is that none of them have hospitals linked to them.
Just some thoughts....sorry, I wasn't trying to nitpick your entire post or really disagree/argue with you. I mean, I do disagree lol....but to each his own I suppose. It should definitely be interesting to see how it all pans out once they open their doors. As an Indiana resident, I would have loved to have had this opportunity right after my time in Indy so I didn't have to relocate, but I have to say, I'm happy with how it all shook out for me in the long run 🙂
I guess that would make sense, given the Undergrad is private.
I'm actually surprised that they picked Marian for the new DO school. Butler seems to be the place for the "Healthcare" related fields such as pharmacy and physicians assistant. I feel like they missed an opportunity for a huge healthcare collaboration effort.
As far as Indiana students not wanting to go DO, I think that a majority do not want to attend DO if given the option of going to IU. Like you said, people fight to the death to get into IU med. I do not think this school will be first choice to people in Indiana. Me personally, if I didnt get into IU or any MD school? I would rather be a physician that not, but Marian would not be my first choice for DO. I would want to go somewhere warm. Nova here I come 🙂
My comment on tuition, sorry for the confusion, I was including room and board and extra expenses. Even the cheapest DO schools like LECOM which is 30K+, you still need to eat and live somewhere. I'll tack on 10K for apartments and food and fun, so overall 40K+ for everything. You are a medical student, you know how much everything costs, is it cheap? Plus undergrad debt 🙁
CCOM tuition alone is 50K+!!!😱 Imagine that plus cost of living in Chicago. How do you pay that off as a primary care provider? Nova is about 40K.
Granted, if you are a surgeon making 300K+ three years out of practice, debt wont matter. But a PCP making half that? There is a bit of pressure, especially with interest accruing. Considering that DOs go into PCP, tuition should be lower.
I think this has the potential to be very good for the DO profession. Like I said before, there are good students who would have made great doctors, that for whatever reason, were not given a chance to succeed at IU. I think that this school will have very high GPA and MCAT scores compared to other DO schools.
As far as your comment about the DO hospital affiliation? You are spot on. If DO schools are going to expand, they need to guarantee that their graduates will be able to practice medicine. Even if it is just a family medicine spot, physicians need to have jobs to pay off that debt.
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Will the average stats of marians entering class really be that low? (around a 3.2 gpa and 24 mcat)? It seems like with all the applicants it would still be a little higher.
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I dont know, my guess would be close to a 3.3cgpa, 3.15sgpa, and around a 26 mcat. I think it will be close to Touro NY's first entering class which was 3.3, 3.1, 26. It may even be lower because this is in indianapolis and touro is is NY, NY
I guess PSLF and/or IBR? Assuming those don't go bankrupt. With tuition hikes (due to the guarantee of loan money) + interest + multiple years of deferment, it won't be surprising to see new doctors in the near future with over $500,000 of debt. The strain on PSLF/IBR will be immense.
You're right....Butler would have seemed a more logical choice. You just never know the motive though. I mean it was done thanks to some anonymous donor...could be an alum or something. There's always random motives it seems. And I don't blame students if Marian wouldn't be their first choice...but if you're interested in DO school and your family and friends are in Indiana, it would be perfect for you then right? 🙂 I suppose I like the idea of this situation too because it's like MSU....with an MD and DO school side by side (though not necessarily in same institution), I'd like to think the DO/MD barrier will continue to crumble. The IU hospital network isn't closed to DOs per se (one of LMU's inaugural grads was accepted there last spring actually!) but it's definitely not a state that is familiar with DOs. And since it's possible I'll go back there to practice, I'd love that to change 🙂
I understand the debt issue more now so. It's interesting though- I may not have a real grasp of how all this will work....but if you divide out the loans you suspect you'll have, over the 25 possible years you'll have to pay them off, it's truly not that bad, even on a FP doc's salary. Then again, when you go from living on $15,000 a year in undergrad like I always did, paying your own way, $150,000 is insane lol. Also, there was talk during a financial aid workshop at school of doing income based repayment and then, if you're working in a non profit setting (so not private practice I suppose lol), after 10 years, debt would be wiped. As to whether or not this will still be in place when it applies to me, who knows. But the 10 years of IBR included your residency, when your income, and therefore payment, would be lower. There are all kinds of opportunities for repayment, especially in primary care. No need to stress now...you'll still be miles ahead of most of your peers financially, even if it doesn't look that good on paper right at the time of graduation 🙂
Lol...whatcha trying to say? Indy isn't as cool as NY?? 😉 I personally would NOT have Touro NY as a first choice because of the location, but everybody's preferences are different of course.
As for the stats....it's not any big surprise that a new school in their first few years may attract applicants with lower stats. I feel like I can rightfully say this without sounding offensive since I am in the 4th class here at DCOM, which was still under the provisional accreditation mark when I matriculated. I made a similar comment in the William Carey thread though, when I was applying, and apparently really annoyed an admin from the school by saying it lol. Oh well....it's a simple fact. Not being accredited, not having tons of ties/connections and having instability concerning rotations and whatnot can push away a LOT of good students. Now some really good students will be willing to chance it because it's home to them. Some, like myself, enjoy being at a new program due to the opportunity to shape the program. Faculty/admin typically listen to student concerns more so at a newer school because it shapes their future student pool when the current students discuss how well their voices are heard. Again, this is just how I perceive it though, and there's no guarantee every new school will be like that. Anywho, point being that stats are going to probably be fairly standard....slightly below more established schools that are more competitive because of their established reputation.
I wonder if we'll ever know.... 🙂 Someone should do some investigation to try to find out the motive. Here at LMU, at least, the story of how the school came to be is regularly referenced, with minimal detail really, but still. This one might just remain a mystery lol
I was not trying to call out INDY! I much rather live in Indianapolis for a couple years over NY! I was just making a comparison to Touro's 1st entering class. That's all!
Actually med school debt in the future probably will matter for a surgeon as well who works on average 80 hrs wk compared to an FP at about 45 hrs wk. GS residency is 5 years compared to a 3 year FM residency. Interest accrues at a minimum of 6.8% if you're lucky over those years. An FM doc starts making attending salary faster.
Also this might go against SDN logic but there is no limit on how much an FM doc can work. you want to do 9-5pm M-F, with one week on call a month for 150-200k then go ahead. You want to take on shifts late night or on the weekends at a hospital or nursing/rehab home for extra income to take home a total of 300k that's fine too. Don't depend on IBR or any other loan repayment government subsidy to be there in the future, you can't trust our bureaucracy nowadays. Spend wisely and save.
Misinterpreted...my apologies 🙂
There stats are low for a reason. If you want to be a podiatrist, you should be a podiatrist and not settle for being a podiatrist because you cant be a DO or MD. The stats are low for that reason. Look into insurance plans and who they reimburse, because that is how doctors and podiatrist are paid. You might have opportunity out in the sticks to make a living, but you are limited to knees and everything below. The majority of the 8 podiatry schools (I believe) in the country are for profit and making money on your tuition ~$120,000, thus podiatry schools have an agenda. They give you many good reasons to become a podiatrist, however, if it sounds too good to be true it probably is.
Your future is worth looking into and I want you to read up on this when you get a chance. There are residency issues, lots of podiatrists out there already (podiatry students included) and schools continue to produce podiatrist, why? Again, they will charge you for a medical education and there is a lot of individuals willing to settle. When it comes down to being paid as podiatrist insurance companies only have room for a set number of podiatry providers. There is ONLY true need in rural settings… just like their is need for MD's and DO's in those settings as well. The DPM degree is enticing, but one needs to be wise and read the cards others deal you before you play. Here is the website that I am referring to (it is actually authored by a podiatrist and does a great job in laying out arguments that I referred to in this post):
http://www.angelfire.com/on/podiatry/
I am not against podiatrist as a profession, I considered it at one point in time. I did my research and I advise you to as well because again, if you are not dead set on just working with feet and ingrown toenails for the rest of your life then don't settle on this profession. And you bet tuition is steep! They charge an arm and a leg just so you can learn about feet. This is more a post for all those premed spectators out there reading the forum considering podiatry.
I looked at average salary and it seems that podiatrists averages are close to that of people in family medicine.
Nice to know that Touro's NY first class stats were low...I might have a shot a Mariam then with my 3.15 cGPA and 3.28 sGPA and expecting a 26+ MCAT. You guys give me hope. I thought I would never be able to get into med school with these stats. Would my URM status help for DO schools? I heard that only MD consider URM status.
Worse stats have gotten in, I assure you. Don't lose hope- half the battle is proving how much you believe in yourself to get there.
Thanks for the encouraging words...
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Your gpa is not "just okay." It's quite a bit below average.
Lots of politics here. Indiana is such a large medical school that the AAMC has mandated that there be satellite campuses already. So, if they were to open up a significant amount of additional seats, they would have to open a new satellite campus, which would be $$$$$$$$. So if Marian opened a school, IU wouldn't need to spend the cash. They're basically letting another school take the burden of funding while still producing docs to alleviate some of the shortage.
Probably should've read this thread before I threw a primary at them.
Nah, I would've done it anyway.
Nah, I would've done it anyway.
Why not just build a private MD school like the ones in Michigan? Or is it because there is a primary care shortage in Indiana and they just want to fill the state with more primary care docs, since a majority of DOs go into family med, peds, and IM?
