Masks

[Siggy]

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People need to to stop the seat belt and bike helmet comparisons. They don’t further any meaningful dialogue. Just further divide.

Ok...
If more than 50% of restaurant workers refused to wash their hands, then handwashing on a community level would show no benefit.

Why do we restrict the freedom of restaurant workers?

Oh, wait... by furthering the divide, do you simply mean a logical response that the anti-maskers have no response to? Can we stop talking about 'mah freedom' because it doesn't further meaningful dialogue and just furthers the divide too? This entire thread was bumped over a complete misreading of a Cochrane review that basically shows "precautions don't work if people don't engage in them" and then people saying, "MASKS DON'T WORK, MY FREEDOM WAS RESTRICTED FOR NOTHING."

 

[Siggy]

Yes… that’s the point. Mandates didn’t work, either because masks don’t work (not my argument) or because people don’t wear them in an effective manner. It’s all or none. And that doesn’t even account for the premise that you can avoid exposure to viral disease in perpetuity (my argument).

I felt like it was worth posting the Cochrane review as it’s valuable and worth knowing about. I think views are probably so entrenched after the past few years that further discussion probably isn’t beneficial.

So… if over 50% of restaurant workers refused to wash their hands, should we revise the public health rules to accommodate them?

 

[Siggy]

Ha, I’m not convinced over 50% of restaurant workers do wash their hands. I suppose I hope so, but who knows.

I like it when the chef tastes my food and it’s up to their satisfaction.

But I’m sure you’d feel less happy if the chef double dips into your soup or didn’t wash his hands after dropping a deuce.

 

[xaelia]

Less happy if I knew. Does the A5 wagyu and purple potato purée still taste incredible though? I might be willing to forget then.

 

[FutureInternist]

👍
And don't forget to wipe down your filthy stethoscopes!

I always glove up the stethoscope as well

 

[FutureInternist]

You can pry my kid's genitals from my cold dead hands!

Wait, sorry, got confused

Found the priest… 😏

 

[FutureInternist]

Without diving into the component studies, 2 thoughts immediately jump out.

1. How many people wear the mask properly to begin with? It's not that masks don't work... it's that wearing a mask wrongly with your nose hanging out doesn't work. I don't think many people are going to suddenly say that their surgeon doesn't need to wear a mask or voluntarily and knowingly go and treat flu patients without a surgical mask.

2. What portion of the control group was wearing masks? Is this like the ProCESS trial? Early goal directed therapy doesn't work ...because standard of care now roughly falls in line with EGDT. Is this "Mask mandates don't work... because 80% of the people wear a mask in the mandate group, but 70% in areas without mandates"?

The # of people I have seen (nurses, docs) who remove their masks and then F’ing sneeze… 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

 

[FutureInternist]

People need to to stop the seat belt and bike helmet comparisons. They don’t further any meaningful dialogue. Just further divide.

Helps to point out the sub-intelligent nature of those arguing against mask mandates.

 

[thegenius]

I like it when the chef tastes my food and it’s up to their satisfaction.

How about when the chef picks his nose, rubs his buttcrack, sticks his finger in his armpit, then tastes your food?

 

[johhnybgood]

But I’m sure you’d feel less happy if the chef double dips into your soup or didn’t wash his hands after dropping a deuce.

What would you recommendation be at this point Siggy?

Masks provide benefits for the wearer and others, of that I have no doubt or argument. but if there’s a little uptake and more importantly a relatively weak variant, what is the end goal here?

 

[Siggy]

What would you recommendation be at this point Siggy?

Masks provide benefits for the wearer and others, of that I have no doubt or argument. but if there’s a little uptake and more importantly a relatively weak variant, what is the end goal here?

There’s a time and a place. During the initial strain, delta, and omicron, sure.

Currently I would agree that there’s no real indication for a mandate.

However God help us if the next respiratory pandemic has people pointing to this as a reason not to mask.