Master's Degrees in Other Divisons?

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How common is it for people to do a research-focused Master's degree in one of the other divisions of psychology (ie. neuropsych, developmental, etc.) and then re-apply to clinical Ph.D. programs?

I can't see this as being a *bad* thing, and it seems like a good way to accumulate more research experience-- especially if the research one does borders on their area of interest for clinical psych (example- working with a developmental prof who studies autism)...

Are there any reasons that one shouldn't do this, as long as their advisor in the other division understands their intentions?
 
I will have a Master of Applied Psychology with an emphasis in Experimental Psychology after this semester. However, the majority (if not all) of the other applicants I conversed with who also had master's degrees were in clinical/counseling, so I suspect I'm in the minority . . . I have a professor with a master's in microbiology, another with one in english literature, and a third with one in engineering, so there are non-clinical/counseling master degree recipients who continue on to clinical doctoral programs.
 
Thanks so much for the reply, paramour. If you don't mind answering-- why did you decide to do a Master's in experimental psych? Do you feel it helped you more than (or at least as much as), say, a research assistant position for a year or two would have?

Also- if you don't mind answering-- are you getting any sort of advanced placement in the Ph.D. program because you already have a master's degree? Do you have to re-take the stats courses and do a new Master's thesis, for example?
 
No problem--I opted for a master's in experimental psych because I was lacking in research experience and felt that this was a good way to get it as well as expand my courseload and access to networking opportunities (i.e., LOR writers) at the same time. In addition, the program is flexible enough that I had a lot of autonomy in creating a degree plan that worked best for me and my needs.

Some would advise simply take the RA position for a year or two, however, I personally do not believe that alone would have been sufficient for my needs. My LORs were much better than the previous cycle's because I was able to work with a number of professors more closely in a variety of capacities. In addition, I was given other opportunities that helped my application tremendously (e.g., teaching, programming, publications, more advanced coursework, particularly in statistics). Oh, yeah, and it is hard as heck to get a relevant (or even completely unrelated), paid RA position around here with a psych degree. So, the master's degree route I went.

Had I opted for the RA position and actually located & obtained one, I might still have an excellent LOR or two but I suspect they would not have been nearly as glowing. I would have been broke, broke, broke (even more so than currently) for the last two years. And, I would have lost out on a lot of other opportunities offered by my program. Now, this is my situation--for others, RA positions for a year or two may work just fine for them.

I find that course credit varies by program. Some programs will not consider credit for anything. Some will give credit for some courses as long as they match up after a review of the relevant classes but not others. Yet other programs will give you credit but you are still required to take their core courses. For example, they might give you credit for a statistics course for an elective but you would still need to take their statistics course as well. And, then there were some that might give you credit for that course but then you would still need to take another class as an elective in order to earn the same number of credits in their program.

I have yet to receive a final answer on my credit for the program I am entering this fall. I have been advised that I will likely be given credit for some of my courses, but they typically prefer that you take their core courses. As most of my classes correspond with their core courses, I suspect that I will end up using them for elective credits. So, yeah, I may have to re-take stats, but, hey, hopefully shouldn't be so bad second time around? Right? 😛 As most students end up taking two years of stats in this program, I would still be required to take additional courses anyway, since I only have one year of graduate level stats. Programs vary on the master's thesis as well, so we'll see what they do here. I'm told there's a possibility but who knows since they tend to do everything on a case-by-case basis.

I was initially only going to apply to master's programs. During that time, I spoke with a few professors who forewarned me that there are some doctoral programs that will not look twice at your application if you already have a master's or that will look at your application more closely/strictly. And, I have found that to be true with some programs.

When I entered into the master's program, I simply put it out of my mind that I would receive any type of advanced standing in a doctoral program later on. (If I do, that's great though!) This was simply a stepping stone to where I wanted to go next. As I expected to re-take courses, I have no worries or disappointments if/when I have to do so and I will be pleasantly surprised if I can shave off a course or two. And, of course, practice makes perfect! 😎

Let me know if you have any further questions. Otherwise,

/lengthy rambling
 
Thank you so much for the comment. That was incredibly detailed and just the kind of information I was looking for. Thank you so much.

You also managed to address a question I hadn't asked but should have: whether or not getting a master's in another area of psych could potentially *hurt* my chances of getting into a clinical Ph.D. program. I hadn't considered that.

"Some doctoral programs that will not look twice at your application if you already have a master's or that will look at your application more closely/strictly. And, I have found that to be true with some programs."

If you wanted to elaborate on this at all, I'd be very interested to hear. If not-- your response was already incredibly detailed and informative. I really appreciate it.
 
Thank you so much for the comment. That was incredibly detailed and just the kind of information I was looking for. Thank you so much.

You also managed to address a question I hadn't asked but should have: whether or not getting a master's in another area of psych could potentially *hurt* my chances of getting into a clinical Ph.D. program. I hadn't considered that.

"Some doctoral programs that will not look twice at your application if you already have a master's or that will look at your application more closely/strictly. And, I have found that to be true with some programs."

If you wanted to elaborate on this at all, I'd be very interested to hear. If not-- your response was already incredibly detailed and informative. I really appreciate it.

The area of my master's degree (applied/experimental psychology) had no negative bearing on my application that I have been advised--I actually had a few mention that it was in my favor over having a clinical/counseling master's. But who knows--I was rejected from a number of programs and some of them were honestly not good matches, but I suppose there could have been one or two who did not appreciate that my degree was in another area.

The previously mentioned problem that I ran into was having a master's degree at all. There were some programs that preferred students without them, regardless of the specialty area.
 
When it comes to master's degrees, I think an experimental master's will generally do you wonders. If you do well there, PhD programs will take it as evidence that you can perform at the graduate level, and that you are sincere in your interest in conductig research. This is why the clincal/counseling master's is a death sentance (of course there are exceptions). When they see a clinical or counseling master's it screams "I want to join in on administerig the talking cure" and not "I want to contribute to the field on a broader level". In my experience the MS in experimental is a good thing to have.

Thigs to look for in a MS program are an active research faculty, and most importantly a thesis component that requires you to perform a new piece of research. This will serve two purposes, it will show you are capable and there is a possibility that you will have your masters accepted at your new university, allowing you to spend your time on a new project instead of scrambling for a thesis idea from day one. When it comes to course work at the MS, I would suggest taking as many "breadth" courses as possible. Those are the ones that are likely to be counted by your PhD. So, the four breadth areas now required by the APA for clinical students are Social, Developmental, Biological Bases, and Cognitive Bases of behavior. These have to actually be broad to count, you can't just do social psychology of adolescent females, it should be a broader social psychology course. Also, I think there is a good change that Stats could count (of course these all depend on program) and they would happily slot you into a more advanced stats course. A PhD needs to go beyond ANOVA and Chi Squares these days, fortunately or unfortunately.

I would recommend this route over an RAship, not to disparage RAs at all, that is a fine route too, but his allows you to get the experience, prove you can do graduate work, possible have a whole lot counted for you, and you can be doing RAship stuff all along by working in professors labs throughout the year and the summer.

I really think this is an excellent route to go. The death sentance is the clinical/counseling route...unless you go PsyD.
 
I'm another person who has gone the Masters in Experimental Psychology route with some success (I will be entering a clinical Ph.D program in the fall). Paramour and Psyclops have done an excellent job detailing this experience. I'll just add that another benefit of an experimental program over a more practice oriented Masters degree is that you are more likely to receive funding to complete the former.
 
Do you think that getting a degree in Criminal Justice (with a thesis track) could also improve my chances for the next time I'll be applying for PhD in Psychology?
It looks like I will have to reapply. I have a special interest in forensics, but I'm not sure I want a master's degree in Psych. MY BA is in Psychology and I wouldn't like to repeat the same courses over and over again. I am also interested in Criminology (investigations and profiling) and would be happy to study Criminal Justice.

So, what do you guys think?
 
Do you think that getting a degree in Criminal Justice (with a thesis track) could also improve my chances for the next time I'll be applying for PhD in Psychology?
It looks like I will have to reapply. I have a special interest in forensics, but I'm not sure I want a master's degree in Psych. MY BA is in Psychology and I wouldn't like to repeat the same courses over and over again. I am also interested in Criminology (investigations and profiling) and would be happy to study Criminal Justice.

So, what do you guys think?

Simply because you majored in psych as an undergrad does not necessarily mean you will be repeating the same courses--I have minimal overlap with my undergrad and my graduate coursework. You could always pursue your master's in psych & take some additional courses in the criminal justice area if interested . . . I actually did this, but I had to obtain approval prior to doing so. It helped that my undergrad minor was in criminal justice.

Now, having said all of this, you could potentially pursue a master's in criminal justice and still be a successful applicant to doctoral psych programs later on. I suspect that it's all on how you spin it and what the program is looking for . . . As I mentioned previously, I've known profs with master degrees in other fields.

G'luck!
 
I'm another person who has gone the Masters in Experimental Psychology route with some success (I will be entering a clinical Ph.D program in the fall). Paramour and Psyclops have done an excellent job detailing this experience. I'll just add that another benefit of an experimental program over a more practice oriented Masters degree is that you are more likely to receive funding to complete the former.

Keep in mind that all programs do not provide funding, and those that do may only provide partial funding and/or be extremely competitive. If funding is a major concern, verify you check out the program prior to wasting your time & money.
 
Just wanted to add to the mix...if you're interestd in pursuing a masters in counseling or clinical, don't let this discussion dissuade you. I have a masters in counseling and was accepted into multiple clinical and counseling phd programs for this fall, all in the nyc area. I only wanted phd programs and didn't apply to any psyd programs.

I know others in that boat as well, many of my classmates from my masters are going onto phd clinical or counseling programs. My experience is that the people purusing counseling or clinical masters tend to be older with more life experience and use the masters as a gauge to determine whether they want to pursue the phd.

In the end, it's the person, not the degree, that is attractive (or not) to a program. I think stating that any degree or experience is "the kiss of death" is beyond extreme and clearly based on a limited perspective. Keep that in mind and good luck!
 
Thanks so much for the help. 🙂 Your comments were very helpful. I just accepted a (fully funded yay!) offer and will be enrolled in a cognitive psychology program in the fall.

I'm so excited about the research I'm going to be doing, which has clinical aspects to it as well. Good luck to everyone. 🙂
 
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