That's a red herring. Literally zero people said "we all believe that online programs are subpar, therefore, they are." If you're going to accuse someone of the bandwagon fallacy, please do so with actual evidence. Plenty of people on this board have attempted to advocate for online programs by submitting weak arguments based on convenience that have been shot down on the merits of those arguments.
I've never met a competent clinician from an online program. Do our anecdotes cancel each other out?
Online programs offer a subpar training experience because they hold practicum supervisors responsible to provide the skills training to clinicians. While outliers may be able to benefit from landing an excellent practicum experience with trained supervisors, it's generally foolish to hedge your bets on being an outlier.
While content delivery might change, I doubt COVID-19 is a carte blanche for online therapist training programs everywhere. If anything, some content courses might become hybrid while supervision and skills training remains an in-person experience. I'd invite some TDs to help us read these tealeaves.
This is an overly complicated plan when the OP could simply attend a brick and mortar state institution with an accredited program and save time and money and probably receive a better education as the faculty are expected to be experts in their field rather than simply content generators.
I've heard that Pepperdine is good for counseling, but Liberty is a for-profit religious institution. It is not considered reputable by anyone.
I never accused anyone of the bandwagon fallacy. I simply cautioned the OP to avoid falling into this type of fallacy. I am unsure where you connected those dots. You created this premise out of thin air. This is on you, not me.
Do our anecdotes cancel each other out? No -- the absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. My anecdote stands on its own.
"Online programs offer a subpar training experience because they hold practicum supervisors responsible to provide the skills training to clinicians. While outliers may be able to benefit from landing an excellent practicum experience with trained supervisors, it's generally foolish to hedge your bets on being an outlier.
" -- I am a little unsure how to even answer this one. Sure, someone COULD just go with whoever for supervision. This certainly does NOT automatically mean the supervision would be inadequate. More, students could also interview potential supervisors and find one with superior training and expertise in an area of their interest. I suspect most graduate students are capable of this task.
Let us stay tuned and observe what changes, if any, this COVID experience brings to education. I suspect changes are ahead. Others may disagree. Again, I never advocated for changes. I simply said I have a hunch we will see changes. Once again, you inserted your own premise into my context.
"This is an overly complicated plan when the OP could simply attend a brick and mortar state institution
..." I agree. I also advised the OP of this same fact. However, it IS still an option, nonetheless, for the situation he described. The OP asked for options. This is an option.
"Citations Please" --
No. The vast majority of US states now welcome the online learning format for licensing requirements. We may presume these licensing boards did their research first, can we not? CACREP, COAMFTE, and the CSWE all now widely accredit/endorse online programs. More, the APA has now officially endorsed an online program (see
Fielding Graduate Institute). (To be fair, Fielding's post-doc APA program is a hybrid
, where the theory-based coursework is completed online, while other clinical aspects are completed in-person.)
"I've heard that Pepperdine is good for counseling, but Liberty is a for-profit religious institution. It is not considered reputable by anyone
." -- First, Liberty is non-profit. Yes, it operates as a very large online presence, and it has drawn criticism from some for its recruitment practices. But it remains non-profit nonetheless. Second, I suggested this in context with earning transfer credits
for foundational theory-based coursework. As a CACREP accredited program, other schools WILL see these transfer credits as reputable (within the bounds of their internal transfer policies).
To be crystal clear, I offer no defense of online programs in general. (I took a grand total of 3 courses, during my undergraduate studies as pickup elective credits on the cheap.) I think there is plenty of room for legitimate criticism concerning the online arena. And I advise folks to proceed with caution if/when considering an online program. That said, the simple truth is that these programs are here to stay, whether we like it or not. Another truth is that theory-based coursework can be appropriately taught in the online format.
That all said, I remind the OP of what I said at the opening of my reply post. This is an UNPOPULAR opinion regarding online schooling options. Thus, I fully expect this post might ruffle a few feathers. Controversial new truths usually do just this. Beyond this, I hesitate to debate this issue further here, as we do not wish to hijack the OP's thread. There are other threads that already covered this debate in depth. And I presume the OP is more than capable of doing their own research regarding the online option. To the OP: you asked for opinions. You will likely get opinions favoring both sides of this issue.