Masters + MD programs

[aaj117]

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I remember at one interview hearing about the opportunity to get a masters in many different things in addition to your MD in either the 4 years or in 5. I am now interested in getting a masters in nutrition and would like to do this prior to residency. Does anyone know what schools have programs like this? Or if one can do a phd in nutrition? i wasn't considering md/phd but now i would, and i know at some schools you can apply for the program during your first year.

 

[LizzyM]

I remember at one interview hearing about the opportunity to get a masters in many different things in addition to your MD in either the 4 years or in 5. I am now interested in getting a masters in nutrition and would like to do this prior to residency. Does anyone know what schools have programs like this? Or if one can do a phd in nutrition? i wasn't considering md/phd but now i would, and i know at some schools you can apply for the program during your first year.

A PhD in nutrition would assume that you want to do nutrition research and teach nutrition. A MS in nutrition is the usual path for someone who is working in nutrition/dietetics. It is heavy on nutritional biochemistry and counseling/education. (I had a roommate who earned an MS in nutrition at NYU). There are numerous schools that offer MS degrees in nutrition. Generally, these are located in the school of arts & sciences or in a school of allied health studies.

 

[Maxprime]

Out of pure curiosity, why nutrition?

 

[aaj117]

Out of pure curiosity, why nutrition?

Primarily, it just really interests me and there's nowhere near enough of it in med school, most physicians admitt that they know nothing about nutrtion. But more importantly, I am interested in cardiology and preventative care. So many doctors tell patients that they need to lose weight, lower their cholesterol, lower their blood pressure, but they only know how to do this through drugs and the cheerios commercials they see on tv. I would like to have a nutritionist in my practice, but i would also like to be able to consult on these issues and know what i'm talking about and what is being recommended to my patients. PLUS, i want to know the information for myself and my family. If i have children i want to know that the vegan diet i abide by could be healthy for them, what modifications to make so they get the nutrtients they need, etc. Like i said, i'm just really really intrested. Like cardiology, for me, nutrtion is one of those things where the more i learn about it, the more i want to know. It makes biochemistry and anatomy and physiology and well everything so much more interesting to me.

 

[Taliesinrk]

what about like an MBA? Can anyone discuss how useful something like this is when one is out in their own practice? I'm pretty sure this is the wrong forum for this question, but i figured i'd give it a shot anyway.

 

[Jolie South]

i've talked to some MD/MBAs and most of them had lofty goals for the MBA but don't really use it in practice.

then again, what do i know?

 

[aaj117]

i've talked to some MD/MBAs and most of them had lofty goals for the MBA but don't really use it in practice.

then again, what do i know?

i've heard the same thing from a lot of md/mbas. Generally they say they're too busy to run all of the financial aspects of the practice anyway and have to hire someone for everything their MBA might have been usefull for. If you're really interested though, i think the additional understanding of the business aspect of health care could be useful and interesting. I have this problem where i sorta want to learn too much. I still plan to do an MPH, and want to get a masters in nutrition and my md and i'd consider an mba. haha maybe i just want to be in school forever.

 

[dienekes88]

i've talked to some MD/MBAs and most of them had lofty goals for the MBA but don't really use it in practice.

then again, what do i know?

Don't sell yourself short. After reading a lot of your posts, I can tell that you know a ton.

Primarily, it just really interests me and there's nowhere near enough of it in med school, most physicians admitt that they know nothing about nutrtion. But more importantly, I am interested in cardiology and preventative care. So many doctors tell patients that they need to lose weight, lower their cholesterol, lower their blood pressure, but they only know how to do this through drugs and the cheerios commercials they see on tv. I would like to have a nutritionist in my practice, but i would also like to be able to consult on these issues and know what i'm talking about and what is being recommended to my patients. PLUS, i want to know the information for myself and my family. If i have children i want to know that the vegan diet i abide by could be healthy for them, what modifications to make so they get the nutrtients they need, etc. Like i said, i'm just really really intrested. Like cardiology, for me, nutrtion is one of those things where the more i learn about it, the more i want to know. It makes biochemistry and anatomy and physiology and well everything so much more interesting to me.

That's a great idea. 🙂 👍

Children tend not to take so well to the vegan diet. Because their stomachs are small, it's hard for a kid to get the calories required to thrive. Maybe start them off as vegetarians and then transition?

The major thing missing from the vegan diet is Vitamin B12. A lot of grains are fortified with B12. You can also buy vegan B12 supplements.

Sorry, I don't have any real information about Masters programs.

 

[Isoprop]

i've heard the same thing from a lot of md/mbas. Generally they say they're too busy to run all of the financial aspects of the practice anyway and have to hire someone for everything their MBA might have been usefull for. If you're really interested though, i think the additional understanding of the business aspect of health care could be useful and interesting. I have this problem where i sorta want to learn too much. I still plan to do an MPH, and want to get a masters in nutrition and my md and i'd consider an mba. haha maybe i just want to be in school forever.

from a practical standpoint, an MPH, MBA, MS with your MD is a little over the top. i guess your niche could be working on the national obesity epidemic from your private practice that you are managing? i tried.

 

[175961]

this is exactly this post I was going to start, thanks OP👍 I read in the MSAR about med school offering programs so you could get a graduate/professional degree, but they dont list the schools that offer these programs.

So does anyone know which schools offer this?? I've looked at several different schools websites but to no avail

 

[Jolie South]

a lot of the schools i interviewed at offer the MD/MBA and MD/MPH. it's fairly common.

the only school that i applied to that offers a degree in anything else is yale. it's not so much a combined program but them letting you take a year off to get another degree in whatever you want.

i believe the msar can tell you whether or not a school offers combined programs. think about schools that interest you and then check there.

 

[175961]

a lot of the schools i interviewed at offer the MD/MBA and MD/MPH. it's fairly common.

the only school that i applied to that offers a degree in anything else is yale. it's not so much a combined program but them letting you take a year off to get another degree in whatever you want.

i believe the msar can tell you whether or not a school offers combined programs. think about schools that interest you and then check there.

I'm looking more along the lines of forensic science, medical examiner. MSAR claims there are school that offer this, but I havent found one yet. If there is, that would be the school I'm interested in🙂

 

[Jolie South]

I'm looking more along the lines of forensic science, medical examiner. MSAR claims there are school that offer this, but I havent found one yet. If there is, that would be the school I'm interested in🙂

wouldn't that be something that you could learn in a path residency? i know not everyone in path does that, but i think it's a possibility?

 

[175961]

wouldn't that be something that you could learn in a path residency? i know not everyone in path does that, but i think it's a possibility?

Now you've gone and lost me....I'm still learning the ropes to med school and all that jazz, so I'm not sure when I would learn it. I'm considering forensic pathology as a career (just have to decide if I want to help the living or the dead)

 

[aaj117]

I'm looking more along the lines of forensic science, medical examiner. MSAR claims there are school that offer this, but I havent found one yet. If there is, that would be the school I'm interested in🙂

wouldn't that be something that you could learn in a path residency? i know not everyone in path does that, but i think it's a possibility?

So when i was shadowing a medical examiner they made it sound like the longest road ever, but you definitely learn most of it in a path residency. I was an anthro major and did a forensic thesis in college, and i know that drexel has a really strong masters program in forensic toxicology and forensic pathology, if you're interested in the extra degree. Most medical examiners call in forensic experts for help identifying remains that are too far decomposed to be identifyable to find out how long the person has been deceased, an age range, gender, occupational indicators from muscle markers, and things like that.

 

[Jolie South]

Now you've gone and lost me....I'm still learning the ropes to med school and all that jazz, so I'm not sure when I would learn it. I'm considering forensic pathology as a career (just have to decide if I want to help the living or the dead)

that's what i was suggesting. if you want a career in forensic pathology, then go to med school and afterwards complete a residency in pathology. everyone must complete an internship to become licensed and a residency to become certified in a particular field of medicine.

it seems like getting that extra degree ahead of time would be a waste. here is some wikipedia info about pathology.

though, i've heard it said many times before that most people change their minds in med school. i wouldn't worry too much about the field right now. just concentrate on doing well and applying first.

 

[aaj117]

Don't sell yourself short. After reading a lot of your posts, I can tell that you know a ton.



That's a great idea. 🙂 👍

Children tend not to take so well to the vegan diet. Because their stomachs are small, it's hard for a kid to get the calories required to thrive. Maybe start them off as vegetarians and then transition?

The major thing missing from the vegan diet is Vitamin B12. A lot of grains are fortified with B12. You can also buy vegan B12 supplements.

Sorry, I don't have any real information about Masters programs.

I'm definitely on B12 supplements. Rice milk is also fortified with B12. I've read that certain adjustments to a vegan diet can make it very healthy for children, i just want to know exactly how to break it down. i'm kinda ocd about nutrition right now, haha and since i'm an anemic, brand new vegan, i guess it's a good thing that i know something about it and am willing to learn more.

from a practical standpoint, an MPH, MBA, MS with your MD is a little over the top. i guess your niche could be working on the national obesity epidemic from your private practice that you are managing? i tried.

haha yeah i know it's not reasonable to get all of these degrees. I'm just having trouble deciding on which to get. I would really like to do a MS and MD together, and then an MPH a little bit later in life (maybe right after my fellowship?). But it's much easier to find an md/mph program and do the ms later...it's just not exactly what i want, because i really want to do the masters in nutrition while my sciences are at their strongest and i can integrate the two more easily, and before i start treating patients so that i can better understand the role that nutrition and the individual's eating habits have contributed to their condition.
I am especially interested in the arrhythmias that adolecents with eating disorders develop.

 

[175961]

that's what i was suggesting. if you want a career in forensic pathology, then go to med school and afterwards complete a residency in pathology. everyone must complete an internship to become licensed and a residency to become certified in a particular field of medicine.

it seems like getting that extra degree ahead of time would be a waste. you should peruse the path forums to read more about pathology and what it is.

though, i've heard it said many times before that most people change their minds in med school. i wouldn't worry too much about the field right now. just concentrate on doing well and applying first.

Probably the best thing for me to do right now, gotta get into med school before anything else happens🙄

 

[Jolie South]

Probably the best thing for me to do right now, gotta get into med school before anything else happens🙄

i changed my post to include a link to wikipedia. that's probably more appropriate if you want to learn a bit more about pathology.

 

[175961]

i changed my post to include a link to wikipedia. that's probably more appropriate if you want to learn a bit more about pathology.

thanks for the info👍