Master's program vs Caribbean school

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Hello All,

I graduated from UCSD with a 3.19 gpa and a 25 on the MCAT. I have applied to almost all the DO schools and a select few MD schools. So far half have sent rejections and I am waiting on the last half. I am currently working during my Gap year and doing research. My question is if I want to practice medicine for sure should I go to the Caribbean (where it costs more and the chance of getting a residency is lower ), apply for a 1 year master's program that guarantees an interview for the next year's class, or apply for a 2 year MPH program that gives me job security at the very least while re applying to medical school?

Thanks!
 
I would do none of those things, but rather retake the classes in which you got the lowest grade (any C or D) during Spring semester. Retake the MCAT in late Spring semester and plan to reapply next year. Continue to do research, work, buff your ECs. You will save money in the long run over an SMP that would only 'guarantee' you 1 interview and as long as you improve your GPA and MCAT a few points you'll net far more interviews. I'd strong advise against the Caribbean as I've rotated with many SGU students who despite high USMLE scores were getting a distressingly low # of interviews at less-than-stellar programs. An MPH sidelines you for 2 years and if you'd be working in public health afterwards - for which job security is uncertain by my understanding - I don't see how this would help you get into medical school in the meantime. Summary: up your stats and reapply.
 
Hello All,

I graduated from UCSD with a 3.19 gpa and a 25 on the MCAT. I have applied to almost all the DO schools and a select few MD schools. So far half have sent rejections and I am waiting on the last half. I am currently working during my Gap year and doing research. My question is if I want to practice medicine for sure should I go to the Caribbean (where it costs more and the chance of getting a residency is lower ), apply for a 1 year master's program that guarantees an interview for the next year's class, or apply for a 2 year MPH program that gives me job security at the very least while re applying to medical school?

Thanks!

There are two important things you need to do:-

1. Retake the MCAT (get > 30 or 75 percentile on the new MCAT) and do a post-bacc program/SMP (for at least 1 year getting a GPA > 3.6) if you want to go to a MD school.

2. Only do a post-bacc/SMP program if you want to get into a DO school (same thing at least 1 year getting a GPA > 3.6) if you want to go to a DO school.

You don't want to mess around with other things like Caribbean schools, masters degrees and stuff like that. None of that is really high yield.
 
Hello All,

I graduated from UCSD with a 3.19 gpa and a 25 on the MCAT. I have applied to almost all the DO schools and a select few MD schools. So far half have sent rejections and I am waiting on the last half. I am currently working during my Gap year and doing research. My question is if I want to practice medicine for sure should I go to the Caribbean (where it costs more and the chance of getting a residency is lower ), apply for a 1 year master's program that guarantees an interview for the next year's class, or apply for a 2 year MPH program that gives me job security at the very least while re applying to medical school?

Thanks!

The 25 would not have been lethal if your GPA was higher. But alas, Tis what Tis.

If you don't want to retake the new MCAT then do a post-bac/SMP and boost your GPA. IMO I think this will strengthen your application for DO programs, perhaps even a bit more than getting a 27 on the MCAT should you retake (or an equivalent to a 27).

Do the masters. Skip the MPH, and avoid the Caribbean.
 
At this point I would begin telling all premeds to avoid all carribean schools. With the amount of new schools opening and schools increasing spots, without a corresponding increase in residency slots, is basically going to make the already hypercompetitive IMG and FMG world even worse. If the current match rate is about 60%, I anticipate it to drop to 50%, or lower. And considering the attrition rate is around 30-50% for these schools, having a 33% chance to be a clinical physician is NOT an acceptable odds ratio.
 
I remember an admission's person saying getting an MPH will not help you out if your science GPA is low
 
Do not go to a Caribbean school. Retake MCAT then find a good smp program. Carib grads will give a very small chance of ending up in the US in the near future.
 
Don't get an MPH just to "improve your application"

I agree with the above, retake classes and the MCAT
 
You should consider the masters at western. Even though it guarantees only an interview, I've never heard of anyone getting rejected. Yes, it's expensive, but you will have a spot next year and be much more prepared for the real stuff.
 
Hello All,

I graduated from UCSD with a 3.19 gpa and a 25 on the MCAT. I have applied to almost all the DO schools and a select few MD schools. So far half have sent rejections and I am waiting on the last half. I am currently working during my Gap year and doing research. My question is if I want to practice medicine for sure should I go to the Caribbean (where it costs more and the chance of getting a residency is lower ), apply for a 1 year master's program that guarantees an interview for the next year's class, or apply for a 2 year MPH program that gives me job security at the very least while re applying to medical school?

Thanks!
What is your science GPA, mcat breakdown, and when were you complete?
 
Don't get an MPH just to "improve your application"

I agree with the above, retake classes and the MCAT

Agreed, it's a misconception that it "improves" your application. I remember an adcom saying this at an info lecture of his DO school (I won't disclose which).

Granted an MPH does offer a solid career IMO and good stability. It's not a bad backup for people who decide to pursue different health fields.
 
I would do none of those things, but rather retake the classes in which you got the lowest grade (any C or D) during Spring semester. Retake the MCAT in late Spring semester and plan to reapply next year. Continue to do research, work, buff your ECs. You will save money in the long run over an SMP that would only 'guarantee' you 1 interview and as long as you improve your GPA and MCAT a few points you'll net far more interviews. I'd strong advise against the Caribbean as I've rotated with many SGU students who despite high USMLE scores were getting a distressingly low # of interviews at less-than-stellar programs. An MPH sidelines you for 2 years and if you'd be working in public health afterwards - for which job security is uncertain by my understanding - I don't see how this would help you get into medical school in the meantime. Summary: up your stats and reapply.
 
Wow thanks for such quick responses. I'll try to address as many questions as I can. MY MCAT breakdown was a 8(Verbal), 9(Physical), 8(Bio). MY science gpa is around 2.99 and I submitted my app July 25th last year. After reading the comments I see the Caribbean schools are truly out of the option. I applied to mostly DO schools and I am aiming for a DO school in the long run. Considering there are 6 months left until the application cycle opens again, it looks like my two options are retake/study for the new MCAT and retake some classes at an extension program or apply to an SMP program now that guarantees an interview(such as Western), there is also a 2 year mph at drexel that guarantees acceptance of the next year's class.

My question is does retaking classes/studying for the new mcat seem like a viable option considering I should reapply by June? or should I focus on SMP programs that guarantee an interview/spot/have a high yield of acceptance to the next years class?
 
Wow thanks for such quick responses. I'll try to address as many questions as I can. MY MCAT breakdown was a 8(Verbal), 9(Physical), 8(Bio). MY science gpa is around 2.99 and I submitted my app July 25th last year. After reading the comments I see the Caribbean schools are truly out of the option. I applied to mostly DO schools and I am aiming for a DO school in the long run. Considering there are 6 months left until the application cycle opens again, it looks like my two options are retake/study for the new MCAT and retake some classes at an extension program or apply to an SMP program now that guarantees an interview(such as Western), there is also a 2 year mph at drexel that guarantees acceptance of the next year's class.

My question is does retaking classes/studying for the new mcat seem like a viable option considering I should reapply by June? or should I focus on SMP programs that guarantee an interview/spot/have a high yield of acceptance to the next years class?

Why the time crunch? Any particular reason? If I were you, I would take a year off to just focus on gpa recovery and acing the MCAT. That would open more doors to you. Most of those SMPs can be sort of costly. Unless you are dead set on that particular school, I would just retake classes and demolish that MCAT.
 
No Caribbean schools. There were a handful of applicants to my psych residency this year who graduated 2 to 15 years ago from these schools. They are stuck in an endless slog of research, volunteer clinical experience, and other low paying jobs. They are desperate, I could smell the desperation, and any small talk I tried with them eventually devolved into this sales pitch about their qualifications. One particularly memorable one went to a non SGU/Ross/Saba/AUC school that I had never heard of, had failed one of their steps and had interviewed at 3 programs in the past 2 years. This compared to other applicants who were new USMD or USDO grads with a solid application and fresh knowledge to boot. An average DO app this year had Step 1 and 2 scores of 550+ for Comlex and 2 years of extracurricular psych activities. Not what I expected at all, I expected much less. I'm from a small community program and there are at least 25 applicants who interviewed for each 1 of our spots this year and we are talking about psychiatry here. Do not **** yourself here because of initials. The question to ask is "Where can I go that will give me the best chance of getting a residency?'
 
In terms of retaking classes, considering I've graduated, the grades can't replace my older grades so I would have another gpa to show correct? not my undergraduate gpa with increased points?
 
In terms of retaking classes, considering I've graduated, the grades can't replace my older grades so I would have another gpa to show correct? not my undergraduate gpa with increased points?
no, AACOMAS calculates the total GPA based on all classes taken, while ignoring ones that were repeated.
 
In the case of retaking courses, wouldn't a post bacc at a DO schools be a better option as that will raise my gpa and maybe give me a better shot that that university at the very least?
 
In the case of retaking courses, wouldn't a post bacc at a DO schools be a better option as that will raise my gpa and maybe give me a better shot that that university at the very least?
Again, if you are dead set on a particular school and have the finances, go right on ahead. I was tempted to go to TCOM's post bacc program but after looking into the cost and no guaranteed interview, I retreated.

I would just retake classes at a community college or enroll as non-degree seeking student at a 4-year university. This would broaden your options and save you money in my humble opinion. But do as you please.
 
Wow thanks for such quick responses. I'll try to address as many questions as I can. MY MCAT breakdown was a 8(Verbal), 9(Physical), 8(Bio). MY science gpa is around 2.99 and I submitted my app July 25th last year. After reading the comments I see the Caribbean schools are truly out of the option. I applied to mostly DO schools and I am aiming for a DO school in the long run. Considering there are 6 months left until the application cycle opens again, it looks like my two options are retake/study for the new MCAT and retake some classes at an extension program or apply to an SMP program now that guarantees an interview(such as Western), there is also a 2 year mph at drexel that guarantees acceptance of the next year's class.

My question is does retaking classes/studying for the new mcat seem like a viable option considering I should reapply by June? or should I focus on SMP programs that guarantee an interview/spot/have a high yield of acceptance to the next years class?

Doing an organized post-bac/SMP with linkage is an option, but honestly, I agree with others that you'd be better served with strategic class retakes and an MCAT retake. If you really don't want to do that, then I would do the program with linkage to whichever school you are most interested in. Forget MPH. Forget the Carib.

Your problem really is that you applied with a sGPA of <3.0. You should have never done that. You should have at very least bumped your sGPA above a 3.0 just to get above the stat cutoffs of most schools. If you can spend 1-2 semesters taking strategic retakes (even at a CC or junior college) you'd likely be able to bring your GPAs (both science and cumulative) up to ~3.3, which would give you a huge boost in your chances at DO schools, even if you don't retake the MCAT. Obviously retaking the MCAT and doing better percentile-wise, would also help, but even if you didn't want to do that, you'd probably get in if you just bring up your GPAs closer to the matriculant averages (~3.4/3.5).

It really depends on what you think you're capable of. If you can do well in classes and take the new MCAT (and do well obviously) by June, why not do it? Only you can make that assessment.

In terms of retaking classes, considering I've graduated, the grades can't replace my older grades so I would have another gpa to show correct? not my undergraduate gpa with increased points?

AACOMAS accepts any class as a retake provided the names/descriptions are similar and the semester credit hours for the retake are equal or greater than the original course. Like I said above, you can even take them at a different school.

In the case of retaking courses, wouldn't a post bacc at a DO schools be a better option as that will raise my gpa and maybe give me a better shot that that university at the very least?

Yes, but its also a bit more risky and will likely cost you a bunch more money. If you do bad (<3.0) in a post-bac/SMP you kill your chances at a US school for a couple years. If you do OK, but not great (i.e. you don't meet the minimum cutoffs for the guaranteed interview/acceptance) then you won't even really get the better shot at that university. On top of that, it won't actually affect your sGPA as much as retakes, because they have a much better impact on your GPA than taking new courses.

Honestly, if there is one DO school you really want to attend, you have the money, and you can be confident you'll do really well in it, then its not a bad option, but strategic undergrad course retakes will likely have a bigger effect on you getting in to any DO school in general. Good luck! You're not in terrible shape and could probably get in pretty soon if you take strategic retakes.

I'll also throw out this idea: while not ideal, you could always do retakes next semester, as well as over the summer and even into the fall. You can (and should) still submit your application in June (provided you're above cutoffs by then), but you'll also be able to update your application with new grades as they come in.
 
I strongly recommend the MS program if you get no hits this year.



Hello All,

I graduated from UCSD with a 3.19 gpa and a 25 on the MCAT. I have applied to almost all the DO schools and a select few MD schools. So far half have sent rejections and I am waiting on the last half. I am currently working during my Gap year and doing research. My question is if I want to practice medicine for sure should I go to the Caribbean (where it costs more and the chance of getting a residency is lower ), apply for a 1 year master's program that guarantees an interview for the next year's class, or apply for a 2 year MPH program that gives me job security at the very least while re applying to medical school?

Thanks!
 
I'd do a linked SMP, such as Touro-NY. It's a year, is actually surprisingly affordable, and could substantially boost your shot at a DO school if you perform well.
 
I remember an admission's person saying getting an MPH will not help you out if your science GPA is low

Yes I've heard the same. One adcom I met even said it's a myth that many pre-meds had since the late 2000s that a MPH helps your application. Although, a MPH is a fine degree and does provide solid stability if one changes their mind about their career path.
 
I've read all your responses and they've helped a lot. I have narrowed it down to retaking classes or doing a postbac/smp. Could I retake classes at a community college and they would replace my lower undergraduate grades in the eyes of the AACOMAS app? In consideration of the retaking classes route, wouldn't i need to change many grades to offset the number of classes I have taken over the course of 4 years? I understand this is the low risk path as there is no harm in doing bad in the classes as I wouldn't need to report them but if i am financially okay, is it still the better path than a post bacc at a school that has rejected me but would offer an interview or any postbacc/smp that could show I can "handle" graduate level science courses?

I am hoping to choose the right path and apply for a post bacc/smp or enroll at a cc within the next few weeks.
 
I was also considering going to a Caribbean School or doing a special masters program. I have a good GPA, but my weakness is the MCAT. I have taken the MCAT twice, and I really don't want to take it again. I am applying to DO schools because I know they are more flexible with the MCAT scores, but a few schools have rejected me already. I know that the best thing for me to do is to retake the MCAT, but if I don't do good again what should I do? Should I apply to a Caribbean School or get into a special masters program?
 
Did you ever try an MCAT prep class?

I took the Kaplan online course which I thought it was not really helpful for me. Probably a course in person will help me more, but I don't know. I am trying to figure out more options.
 
Hello All,

I graduated from UCSD with a 3.19 gpa and a 25 on the MCAT. I have applied to almost all the DO schools and a select few MD schools. So far half have sent rejections and I am waiting on the last half. I am currently working during my Gap year and doing research. My question is if I want to practice medicine for sure should I go to the Caribbean (where it costs more and the chance of getting a residency is lower ), apply for a 1 year master's program that guarantees an interview for the next year's class, or apply for a 2 year MPH program that gives me job security at the very least while re applying to medical school?

Thanks!

Well I can offer you some advice. I was in a similar area GPA-wise, actually sub 3.0. Only difference is my MCAT was a 30. I chose SMP and DO over Carib for many reasons. Mainly that I have friends who took each of those paths and based on their advice and experience I chose to not leave the USA.

I took the MCAT before I even considered spending the energy and money on an SMP. Because I got the 30 I figured I could make it work if I worked hard. I did my SMP and got a 4.0 GPA. I did a lot of clinical research at the same time. I am in the cycle now and just had my 5th interview. So... My advice is to do an SMP and retake the MCAT. You may be able to get in just by retaking the MCAT but I think a lot of people are forgetting the big reason to do an SMP. An SMP tells you if you can actually handle hard medical school course work. With your GPA you have no way to really know. You will come out of the SMP with a really nice base of knowledge that should help you a lot in medical school (I'm not there yet, but others have told me how much it helped them). You will come out of the SMP hopefully a lot more prepared for medical school and in a position to make the most of it. It is a big cost, yes, but I think it's worth it. Just make sure to work your ass off. Also, consider taking the MCAT before the SMP starts so that you can focus on one thing at a time. But my advice to everyone always and some don't take it is to never take the MCAT until you are ready to take it. Just don't walk into a testing center until you will get 75% (30) or higher. Just don't. All is not lost, you have options. PM me if you want any more advice or questions about the process I've gone through.
 
I took the Kaplan online course which I thought it was not really helpful for me. Probably a course in person will help me more, but I don't know. I am trying to figure out more options.
I never felt Kaplan for mcat was helpful. Try getting some Princeton books. There are several forums dedicated to mcat check them out.

Do some grade retakes and get a better mcat. I don't recommend spending 30k for that. Other options include a masters in a science program especially one in which you can be a TA. You get free tuition, paid, teaching hours, science gpa boost, graduate gpa, and time to work on studying for mcat.
 
Agree with the advice you've gotten above.
MCAT and/or class retakes are your best bets.
A post-bac or master's with linkage is also a good idea.
The MPH is only a good idea if you can actually see yourself using the MPH in a career if med school doesn't pan out, and as such do one at a very solid program; they're quickly becoming the MBAs of the science world (i.e. not super useful).
Any of those ideas are better options than the Caribbean.
 
I never felt Kaplan for mcat was helpful. Try getting some Princeton books. There are several forums dedicated to mcat check them out.

Do some grade retakes and get a better mcat. I don't recommend spending 30k for that. Other options include a masters in a science program especially one in which you can be a TA. You get free tuition, paid, teaching hours, science gpa boost, graduate gpa, and time to work on studying for mcat.

Thank you for the advice. I am concerned because like I said I took the MCAT twice and didn't do good. I really want to go to medical school so I am trying to figure out other plans.
 
Personally, I would do one of the master program's to raise your GPA and show you can handle rigorous courses and retake the MCAT
 
Thank you for the advice. I am concerned because like I said I took the MCAT twice and didn't do good. I really want to go to medical school so I am trying to figure out other plans.
I took it three times.

My advice is to try to relearn the areas you are weak on. Focus on one of the four sections first. Make sure you take the practice exams given on aamc. But also whatever resource you can get to take tests you have never taken before. It is crucial that you have never taken the practice test. Make sure you time it, dress up as you would on test day, and take it seriously.
 
No Caribbean schools. There were a handful of applicants to my psych residency this year who graduated 2 to 15 years ago from these schools. They are stuck in an endless slog of research, volunteer clinical experience, and other low paying jobs. They are desperate, I could smell the desperation, and any small talk I tried with them eventually devolved into this sales pitch about their qualifications. One particularly memorable one went to a non SGU/Ross/Saba/AUC school that I had never heard of, had failed one of their steps and had interviewed at 3 programs in the past 2 years. This compared to other applicants who were new USMD or USDO grads with a solid application and fresh knowledge to boot. An average DO app this year had Step 1 and 2 scores of 550+ for Comlex and 2 years of extracurricular psych activities. Not what I expected at all, I expected much less. I'm from a small community program and there are at least 25 applicants who interviewed for each 1 of our spots this year and we are talking about psychiatry here. Do not **** yourself here because of initials. The question to ask is "Where can I go that will give me the best chance of getting a residency?'
what does desperation smell like
 
For the love of God, do not do a master's and DO NOT go Carib.

Retake all Fs, Ds, and Cs and GET As. Doesn't matter if you do them at a CC or Harvard.

Get MCAT above 27 (whatever percentile that is for the new MCAT).

SHADOW a DO and GET A DO LOR.

Apply Early.

Do some clinical activities involving underserved populations and other altruistic things you actually enjoy.

I have had 5 IIs, and 3 acceptances thus far by doing the things above. Trust me. No need to complicate things. I was contemplating the Carib at one point but I was a *******. Patience will take you a LONG way.
 
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