Match List 2007

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Hi, so we can try to keep things current - if you know of people in your class (if you're final med) or friends in higher classes who matched, please copy the below and add to it!

Trinity:
1) Internal Medicine at Univ. of Wisconsin - 1st choice
2) Internal Medicine at Kaiser Permanente, California - prematch
 
Misc RCSI graduates:
-BWH internal med
-Prelim surgery Ann Arbor
-Prelim med in Baystate, Radiology in Pittsburgh
-Prelim med in Boston U, Neurology in Scottsdale AZ
-OB/GYN in Northwestern, Chicago
 
Trinity:
1) Internal Medicine at Univ. of Wisconsin - 1st choice
2) Internal Medicine at Kaiser Permanente, California - prematch

RCSI:
1) Internal Medicine at BWH
2) Prelim Surgery at Ann Arbor
3) Prelim med in Baystate, Radiology in Pittsburgh
4) Prelim med in Boston U, Neurology in Scottsdale AZ
5) OB/GYN in Northwestern, Chicago

Just consolidating. 🙂
 
Mr. McDuck said:
Trinity:
1) Internal Medicine at Univ. of Wisconsin - 1st choice
2) Internal Medicine at Kaiser Permanente, California - prematch

RCSI:
1) Internal Medicine at BWH
2) Prelim Surgery at Ann Arbor
3) Prelim med in Baystate, Radiology in Pittsburgh
4) Prelim med in Boston U, Neurology in Scottsdale AZ
5) OB/GYN in Northwestern, Chicago

Just consolidating. 🙂
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Congrats to all of you who matched, even the one with just a prelim. It's important to get your foot in the door and will help you next year.
However when it comes to match results, this forum suffers from something like the file-drawer effect. Positive results are selectively published while the many negative outcomes are hidden away in files, never to see the light of day. Many many NA graduates remain unaccounted for. Lets here all the results, good or bad, so that newbies get a realistic, more complete view of things.
 
I agree. Not matching has got to be a terrible feeling, but having an accurate list will give others an idea of how it actually is. Of course, if I don't match, I may feel differently...
 
I think the problem is that there just are not a lot of final/upper year medical students that frequent this forum and not that they are hiding things.
 
Ok, well the only reason I posted 2 from Trinity is that only 2 actually went through the Match. We also have 1 canadian who matched, and at least 2 who are going to go through 2nd round (by choice).

The others: for some reason, quite a few people have not done their USMLE exams yet, or have not done them in time for this year's Match. Many of the NA's in the final year class were intending to complete internship here in Ireland. The reason I say "were" is that there is a very political situation going on at the moment which may cause non-EU students to not be offered jobs. As I said in another thread, it has turned quite messy.

I won't elaborate now, but this politicking (which involves F-ups on many different levels) is actually the only reason I would deter anyone from supporting and attending any of the Irish schools. I feel I must say that, even though I have enjoyed my time here and have felt satisfied by the level of education and skill acquired here.

Anyway, to make a long story short, that's the negative side of it. We didn't have anyone who failed or had trouble Matching, just actually only 2 people went through the Match.
 
leorl said:
Ok, well the only reason I posted 2 from Trinity is that only 2 actually went through the Match. We also have 1 canadian who matched, and at least 2 who are going to go through 2nd round (by choice).

The others: for some reason, quite a few people have not done their USMLE exams yet, or have not done them in time for this year's Match.

Anyway, to make a long story short, that's the negative side of it. We didn't have anyone who failed or had trouble Matching, just actually only 2 people went through the Match.
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That's great -- the Atlantic Bridge Program can claim another year where 100% of eligible applicants matched (let's ignore the folks who didn't feel ready to pass or couldn't pass their USMLEs).

Coming from someone who is very happy where his Irish medical education landed him and the education that he received, I think it is important for folks to examine why they are going to Ireland and if/when they are ever going to be able to return to North America (assuming that's what they desire).

As a North American, if you go to medical school abroad and wish to return to the US/Canada, you must perform extraordinarily in order to be competitive in the match. As I have written before, this is where introspection is key. It's not enough to graduate from medical school, one needs to be a "super star" when coming into the US/Canadian match as an FMG.

My goal is not to dissuade from studying abroad (I'd never change a thing that I did), but to encourage realistic thinking for those in whom foreign medical education might not be the best decision.

Mick
 
It's not so much not feeling ready to take the USMLE, but it's trying to find the time. Obviously, some people are more motivated than others. However, when trying to complete education in two different systems and in an Irish system which doesn't facilitate or condone time off to study for the USMLE (except for RCSI), this becomes difficult. So people try to do them in the summer - which means no break in the school cycle, or it means giving up elective opportunities. Many people did Step 1 last spring, which meant skipping a lot of valuable OBGYN time. So you have to find a balance and find a good time to do it, and it's not the easiest to plan. And from my year, there are no stellar scores - 2 matched into their first choice IM, but I will admit that a couple of us are worried in terms of scores for next year's match. We'll have to keep you updated on that point.

There are a couple kids in my class who haven't taken any of the USMLE steps. I really don't know what's wrong with them. One I can understand doesn't feel ready (this person has been having some difficulty in medical school and has a lot of things going on), and another...I have no idea what this person has been doing with the time.

So bottom line is, you can do it. But be prepared to take your open windows and make a committment to study. Not everyone from the Irish schools are getting fantastic scores and there are multiple reasons for that, but just be committed
 
Here are some of the match and non match results from UCD

USA
Resurrection Chicago- Family Med
USC- Emergency Medicine
St. Vincents Staten Island- Internal Med
Vanderbilt- Internal Med
New Mexico- Paeds
New Mexico- Internal Med
Suny Buffalo- Paeds
UC San Diego- Anesthesiology, Univ Nevada Reno- Prelim
Mayo Clinic- Emergency Medicine
Univ Conneticut- Emergency Medicine
UniV Penn- Surgery
Johns Hopkins- prelim surgery
Johns Hopkin- Surgery
Cleveland Clininc- Pathology

1 Scramble- Suny Buffalo Paeds
1 no Match

Canada
Sick Children Toronto- Paediatric Neurology
Nova Scotia- Family Med
Univ Manitoba- Aboriginal Med
Western Ontario- Family Med

4 applied to first round family med and did not match
3 trying for second round
 
Frorm UCC we have (on the Canadian side - not sure what is going on with the Americans)
One 1st round match to Ob/Gyn at University of Toronto (1st choice)
One 1st round match to Rural Medicine (GP) at Memorial University of Newfoundland (1st choice)
One no match in 1st round in Canada (trying for ENT, I believe - now trying for Internal or something on the 2nd round)
One match to Paeds in the US - 1st choice (somewhere in Kansas? Missouri? Somewhere flat in the middle, anyway 😀 ).
One staying for intern year for personal reasons (so he will be cluttering up my match year, oh well)
and one not trying to match in Canada because he is pissed off about the return of service component 9or at least that's my understanding of his issue at the moment).
We don't have a whole lot of American students in any of the years (only one in 4th med), so I know mostly about the Canadian side of things - well, that and I am a Canadian so am more interested in that side of things.
Cheers,
M
 
UCC Stats (Canadians only)
1 matched to U of T Obs/Gyne - 1st choice
1 matched to MUN rural medicine/GP - 1st choice
1 matched to Paeds somewhere in the US (Kansas? Missouri? Somewhere flat in the middle, anyway😀)
1 no match (trying for ENT, I think, and now looking at second round options)
2 not trying this year, one for personal reasons (his girlfriend is in my class) and one because he is pissed off that the Canadian residencies all come with conditions attached.
Cheers,
M
 
To the newbies, I'd take any '1st Choice!' claims with a grain of salt. Say someone applies to 80 programs and interviews at 10. His "first choice" is now in that ten but very well may not have been from the start. Getting your top choice out of ten ranks is great anyway. Getting your top choice out of 5 is nice out of three is also great, but calling it your top choice gets less and less meaningful the further down you go from your opening application number unless your real top choice just happens to work out. That and many of us, including me, didn't even apply to our real top choice because it was out of reach and would have been burning money. Anyway, just a pet pieve (sp?) of mine.
On the other hand, these people might have done away rotations and liked them, thereby creating a real top choice with an improved chance of it being in your percentage of programs that invites you to interview.
In any case, wherever you get a job is your first choice now and hopefully we all get that at least.
 
With respect, all the ones I listed as first choice were 1st choices. The person who matched to Ontario was interviewed in UofT, Ottawa and Dalhousie, and ranked them in that order . She got Uof T. I am not sure where else the MUN match interviewed, but MUN was where she wanted to go, first, last and always. The paeds match is the only one I am not sure of, so in this case, 1st choice means just that. These were not "1st choice of the things I can get" choices, or "1st choice of the places that actually interviewed me", but "where I really want to go". Out of 4 Canadian students that applied, two got exactly what they wanted, one got the specialty she wanted (but maybe not the place, not sure about that, and not in the Canadian match) and one didn't get a spot this round.
Cheers,
M


student.ie said:
To the newbies, I'd take any '1st Choice!' claims with a grain of salt. Say someone applies to 80 programs and interviews at 10. His "first choice" is now in that ten but very well may not have been from the start. Getting your top choice out of ten ranks is great anyway. Getting your top choice out of 5 is nice out of three is also great, but calling it your top choice gets less and less meaningful the further down you go from your opening application number unless your real top choice just happens to work out. QUOTE]
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leorl said:
there is a very political situation going on at the moment which may cause non-EU students to not be offered jobs. As I said in another thread, it has turned quite messy.
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Hi Leorl, you have mentioned this before. Can you give us more details?
 
Congrats to those who matched.

Re the UofT matches in Ob/Gyn and Peds Neuro, are these residency positions actually located in Toronto teaching hospitals (I know Sick Kids is downtown Toronto)...or will the residency positions be in Sudbury, Thunderbay, etc? Also, I take it both are subject to a 5 year rural return of service commitment? Last time I checked, the Ontario underserviced specialty list only had Ob/Gyn posts in Sudbury, Thunderbay, Sault Ste Marie, etc (I can't remember where exactly, but no regions anywhere close to Toronto).

I did a three week Obs/Gyn rotation in Toronto in Febuary (I'm not that interested in Ob/Gyn...just wanted to spend some time with my family in Toronto). It was very good. The Toronto hospitals are so small (but well equipped and nice and the teaching was good/well organised). The UofT med students were fine (no better than the GKT students though...just older). The consultant (UCL grad) urged me to apply for an Ob/Gyn residency due to the dire shortage of Ob/Gyns in Ontario...I don't think he had any idea about the obtacles facing Canadian IMGs returning to Ontario...maybe he was just being nice.

I'm arranging two summer electives - a month in Cards or Rads in Toronto and month EM in Banff Springs and looking forward to them.

Luckily, I'm not subject to visa restriction in the UK and will have my British citizenship prior to graduation (and well in advance of F1 and F2), so at least I have the option of remaining in the UK and competing for a place in the specialty of my choice following F1 and F2. I'm not saying training in the UK is a bed of roses (Canadian residency would be better organised and condensed), but it least it is possible....hopefully MMC will be sorted out by the time I apply.

Ontario only seems desirable if residency positions are opened up in Toronto and the rural return of service commitment is removed. I understand that it is possible to buy out of the contract for $100,000+ (I think?)....I'm not knocking rural Canada, it's just impossible for my partner to work outside of an international financial centre without a career change.

I feel sorry for the Canadian students in the UK who will still be subject to visa restriction following F1/F2, as they won't be able to get specialty training in the UK and will likely have a hard time returning to Canada. If there are any of you out there reading this, look into your immigration options as soon as possible....even if you don't like the UK, you might want to keep your options open!

Any more info re the UofT residency positions would be appreciated.

Cheers, Jane
 
For Ontario, all specialties other than family medicine will have the return of service north of the French River. However, this can not always be inforced. Say you're a neurosurgeon, you would not be able to find employment in Northern Ontario so that would be waived. Another challenge is one's spouse finding employment there. Universities throughout Canada have difficulties recruiting professors due to this and offer fast track promotions and positions to spouses.

Hopefully, as the years pass, court challenges of the return of service in Ontario clause will be seen. It has already been successfully challenged in Manitoba so that's why they are the only province without a return of service stipulation (so I've been told).

I've put my thoughts on the hoops IMGs will have to jump through in Canada. For the return of service clause, all I'll say is look at the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedom. I was looking at it the other day and Under Motility Rights: "every citizen of Canada and every person who has the status of a permanent resident of Canada has the right to pursue the gaining of a livelihood in any province. " I'm no lawyer but I think this would make a contract void and not legally binding. Again, hopefully we will see if things get challenged in Ontario.

FYI, those choosing or match in the 2nd round of Carms are not bound by the return of service clause.
 
Ah, I wish that we could err on the side of optimism for once.

The Canadian who matched to Paeds applied to about 15 programs, got 8 interviews and got her first choice out of those 8. I think that's pretty impressive by anyone's standards. Sure, she didn't apply to a few of the "top" programs including CHOP in Philadelphia but that was because she didn't want to be in Philadelphia. Some of the best teaching programs (in terms of ratios et al) aren't necessarily at the biggest world-famous centres or those centres aren't necessarily for everyone.

The Ob/Gyn match was very much a first choice of all the programs she applied to in Canada (candidate didn't wish to go to the US). She's not sure which hospital(s) she'll be in yet so I guess there may be a chance she'll be shipped out but I'm pretty sure they told her Toronto specifically.

The Memorial, NF match was also a true first choice, based on the nature and reputation of the program. Again, candidate only applied to Canada but she's from the West and Memorial was her preferred program.

I guess I don't think it diminishes form the "firstness" of a choice if someone only applies to a limited number of clear, preferred choices (versus applying to, say, 40 programs in the States and opting for the "best" option according to reputation).
 
Thanks Arb/Unch.

That's interesting.

I'm sure the government counts on individuals not having the time, energy, money to bring a Charter action....

Jane
 
FYI, those choosing or match in the 2nd round of Carms are not bound by the return of service clause.[/QUOTE]

Arb, I don't think that is true for all provinces. For Nova Scotia, for example, the second round carries return of service, and the spots get thrown open to Canadian students studying in Canada as well, who will also be bound by the contract terms. Ontario the second round choices carry RoS agreements as well - straight from he horse's mouth, that's what the Minestry of Health told us when they were here in the fall. There are no good deals out there, just deals.
With regard to the court cases, it just takes one success and the whole program goes down the pan.
Cheers,
M
 
RCSI matched students in the following specialties this year:

Prelim Surg
OB/GYN
Psychiatry
Internal Medicine
Paediatrics
Neurology
Emergency Medicine
Urology
Orthopaedic Surgery
Radiology
 
Millikin,

Do you know how many people matched into each of the above residencies, or does each residency represent an individual student?
 
RCSI matched students in the following specialties this year:

As far as i know:

4+ Prelim Surg
2+ OB/GYN
1 Psychiatry
4+ Internal Medicine
1 Paediatrics
1 Neurology
2 Emergency Medicine
1 Urology
1 Orthopaedic Surgery
1 Radiology
1+ Family Practice
1 Transitional

There may be more.
 
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