Matrix - Game Thread

[samac]

Gikkle's page 4-5 content is better in tone and reasoning than the early content.

is it?

Yeah felt like it, all the spoiler and made me itchy.
I’m gonna blocc her tho unless someone stops me

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[WildZoo]

@moonstermash you had a vote spreadsheet, yes?

 

[Zenge142]

I'm not following why fake claim is more likely with 3 wolves than 2 in your mind

It was more that I was already starting to worry about and investigate the Samachro Packro and I took the claim at face value, but since that world view was mistaken, I need to reevaluate the entirety of the game, and not just accept those sorts of details at face value

 

[Animal Midwife]

Day 3 Yeet Tally
Gikkle (1) - samac 25
No Yeet (1) - Achro 15
Dubz (1) - Sporty 10

3/11
yeet close in ~32 hours

 

[SportPonies]

198 was not the towniest post in the thread, it could very easily be performative. and this feels like a buddying attempt.

These are the words I was trying to find re: that post.

I'm squinting at PSV a little.

 

[SportPonies]

About to take off. Early thoughts at the end of page 4.

Stag poking at santy felt town to me. Sounds like I might be in the minority on that. I thought Santy was more defensive than I would expect for what was said. Made sense to put an early vote there.

What am I missing.

I like Gickle. Very actively trying to solve. Feels strong town.

this feels villagey. I don't know that plane!wolf!mayo would put forth the effort to throw around loose, poorly defined reads.

 

[Achromatic]

Announcing a block makes it pretty worthless

 

[SportPonies]

Clem J what would you define as useful in a day one? Could you cite an example from the topic?

I'd be interested to hear the thought process behind this post, but I don't know if I can word what I'm asking without influencing the response.

 

[Clem J]

So either marmot is not wolfing or a different wolf killed Santy
I feel pretty decent about marmot tbh

It reduces the chance they're mafia by a good bit, yeah

 

[samac]

Announcing a block makes it pretty worthless

No.

 

[Clem J]

I'm mulling this over and I'm not sure this is correct. We only have three PRs and one is now dead. If moon is lying, we catch one wolf, but then the second PR is virtually guaranteed to die tonight. One village PR left, two wolves. What's the risk-benefit analysis there?

No it's absolutely correct. Trading a PR for a wolf is always the correct move today, if available.

 

[genny]

These are the words I was trying to find re: that post.

I'm squinting at PSV a little.

I don’t know what you mean by this post. But I was talking about moon I think? So shouldn’t that make you squint at moon?

 

[Clem J]

Assuming they used their track every night.

There’s been enough absenteeism that it’s possible we have a tracker that didn’t submit an action at all one of the night.

Even Tracker with 2 should claim those tomorrow. Too high risk they don't continue surviving.

 

[Achromatic]

(And I think they're marginally >rand mafia in a "person trying to look like they're doing town stuff but it's all actually meaningless" way, which is not a confident read, some people just look like that, but it's what I got rn)

I was wanting to establish a baseline of what they were looking for in their solving.

 

[SportPonies]

I don’t know what you mean by this post. But I was talking about moon I think? So shouldn’t that make you squint at moon?

two different thoughts. I was agreeing with your opinion of Gikkle's post, I'm not sure yet if I agree with your opinion of moon overall.
PSV thing unrelated.

 

[Clem J]

But if mafia has a blocker they’ll just block her again and drag it out.
This is why I want a counterclaim of PR.
It’s worth it to give up the PR to resolve moon.

If no one does make a counter claim I’m taking her as village.

Agreed with this

If there's a PR that knows moon isn't doc, claim it today and they 1v1

Otherwise we're just treating moon as confirmed doc

 

[Clem J]

I think I just disagree on wanting to out a village PR to catch a single wolf. I feel like moon is better left to crack next cycle rather than this one imo

Naw killing a mafia is nearly always worth saccing a pr for. Wincon isn't to save prs, it's to kill maf lol

 

[Clem J]

I mean maybe
The slip about the JoAT EoD1 really seemed like they knew there was a JoAT, and tbh I didn't buy the "I thought it was only vertical + I missed a whole column that didn't have a JoAT"

But idk, I'm just a bit confused rn

And this would be a scum slip how?

 

[SportPonies]

zenge tends to get n1'd a lot because his D2 is usually very good as village. what i've seen from him so far is what i expect from village!zenge: lurking, will give thoughts when asked, and thoughts seem to mesh well with current game state. the lurking is somewhat unfortunate, because it's easy to fake as a wolf, but if you can pressure him into participating more as a wolf, then you'll get posts that seem to focus on one player, or don't quite mesh with a towny mindset/just seem a little off perspective-wise.

~helpful!gennard~

 

[SportPonies]

Zenge why should I not vig you tonight?

AVZ.

Always Vig Zenge.

Sincerely,

Terminator Sporty

 

[Clem J]

Anyways

vote gikkle

with psv probably in second place rn

 

[Clem J]

Ok so currently I'm setting samac and zenge and Dog aside

Want to kill gikkle, 2nd choice psv

Everyone else is varying degrees of weh

 

[Clem J]

Ok so currently I'm setting samac and zenge and Dog aside

Want to kill gikkle, 2nd choice psv

Everyone else is varying degrees of weh

Lowkey want to tr genny too

 

[Clem J]

But less confident about that so they're in the varying degree of weh tier for now

 

[SportPonies]

I think is good to townread gikkle. I'd reasses them D3 if they're still alive, just because they put such good effort and analysis that I think are likely a target. So we wait #Prostrat

Also the core of you+genny+gikkle+me I feel is likely to be pure and I want to see where trusting tha lead us.

Space I have a good vibe, but nothing confident. Jury's out with Achro and Moon. Prob most sus of moon, but Achro is a good wolf I think. So prob better to see later in the grand scheme of things.

Wouldnt yeet Achro D1 , I think neither Space. Moon mulling over it but not a priority of mine

Quoting this to come back around to it, even though I probably won't.

Look the thing is, I initially got slight village MK vibes, but it’s honestly too early for me to have a solid read with as little as she’s posted. I need more. But I’m standing by my initial snap read at the moment and it’s not where I’m interested in looking today, unless something drastic happens

This feels wolfy in the way that miz felt wolfy early game back in the day.

Zenge gets scum reads d1 from people who are unfamiliar with him with some frequency

I'm not really understanding the defense of Zenge on D1 but you did turn it around like 3 posts later.

 

[SportPonies]

I mean, part of it might just be that genny's aura reads are a bit too... how do I say this non-judgementally... difficult for me to understand? Maybe it's just a different type of vibe read, but I don't get it and it seems really easy to fake.

+village point

I just would have expected you to interact with me more. You are aware of my scum game but I haven't felt like you've been too concerned with me.

This feels villagey or AdvancedWolf to point out, but I'm leaning the former on it, especially with the following Zenge-Achro conversation on page 10.

sorry I keep wanting to call you Grackle

I keep wanting to call him Gecko.

That’s like… admitting to not having any interest in trying to solve and vote out scum.

And I disagree with this. You've played long enough to see plenty of villagers capri-shrug on D1, so I'm surprised you got so ruffled about this.

 

[SportPonies]

I bet @Animal Midwife is salivating at the prospect of killing MKG in a game shes not even playing.

@mkg323 Post please

This post kinda comes off as an attempt to shrug off conflict when read after the fact.

Wolfy adjective, m'lord

I believe that's an adverb. Dubz loves adverbs. She also probably won't see this cuz she's not gonna read a post of quotes.

Idk moon reads kind of frozen to me in regards to me. Asks for a day. I lay out a plan to vote. Instead of discussing stuff just says go ahead and when I do they say regrets

Kinda gonna need moon to start showing some process here

I am assuming you have updated your thoughts since this post was made, but in case that's not true, I would like to hear your updated thoughts.

Achromatic trending upwards in my reads

Is "up" here wolfy or villagey?

oh this kinda worries me now because I gave genny such an easy town read, is genny a power wolf player?

Nah, the person was just null at the time and didn't deserve any read they were getting beyond that off of their first 2 posts that changed nothing.

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Page 4: Is weird because of Santy and Stagg ****, I wanna just slap one of them is mafia other is town, but this argument feels more like town fighting with town.

past-me is wolfy as heck.

 

[genny]

Agreed with this

If there's a PR that knows moon isn't doc, claim it today and they 1v1

Otherwise we're just treating moon as confirmed doc

So talk to me about a world where moon is a lying liar who lies. And also kills villagers.

 

[SportPonies]

I like this post a lot as someone new to our site.
Seems like actively trying to get a handle on a a lot he’s familiar with
Town read.

Unbothered. I wouldn’t expect a new player on our site to volunteer that they’re sheeping without knowing the culture here and I’ve learned that a lot of people from other sites do start with the town bucket first method

Though haven’t you watched dubz and I do similar things in the past?
I know she’s sheeped me before and I’ve sheeped her d1.

I'm uncomfortable with the fact I keep nodding along to samac's posts.

I don't think these 6 have done anything I couldn't see wolves also doing

I'm interested in those absent from this list, with your wording here. What did they do that you couldn't see wolves doing?

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Let’s go with this. Who’s in moon’s pack?

not samac

Why?

I just really liked the cut of their gib yesterday. They only had a few posts but the ones in quick succession felt clean and fresh.

 

[Clem J]

So talk to me about a world where moon is a lying liar who lies. And also kills villagers.

Then I'll be unbearably smug about how we should have killed them d1 lol

 

[potentialsheltervet]

So talk to me about a world where moon is a lying liar who lies. And also kills villagers.

And also not genny

 

[Clem J]

Also is that a claim...?

 

[SportPonies]

Samac , genny, gikkle , Zenge

I believe should be mostly pure. I trust

I want to find Santy's reads prior to being NK target, but it'll be a while.

Well, I didn't mean to quote the vote tally there, but okay...

*hmmms in angleshooting*

the thread feels somewhat stagnant and like there’s little resistance to the 2 top discussed players - stagg, moon.
There’s resistance to Zenges but that’s me and santy and dubz and I don’t think it’s coming from a wolfy place from either of yall.

It also just might be because it’s slow.
How do we feel about the discussions around stagg and moon?

Quoting this so I can come back around to it when I try to read samac.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Sporty is laugh reacting some of my critically underappreciated jokes

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Thank you, Zenge. You also laugh reacted them when posted 😎

 

[Zenge142]

So talk to me about a world where moon is a lying liar who lies. And also kills villagers.

Well if moon was lying, and assuming there isn’t a doctor who just hasn’t counter claimed for some reason, then the setups that have no doctor and have an inventor are B, C, and 4

 

[samac]

So talk to me about a world where moon is a lying liar who lies. And also kills villagers.

Alright genny.
You’re saying you’re sure?

 

[samac]

I'm uncomfortable with the fact I keep nodding along to samac's posts.


I'm interested in those absent from this list, with your wording here. What did they do that you couldn't see wolves doing?

Oh can we both be villagers and find each other one time
That’d be a play for the century

 

[SportPonies]

Fack

feels forced but I think this is par for samac.

oh so that's why that post was so weird.....

is this a serious post, or?

We also have a JOAT to protect them and we can get a wolf d1

is this a serious post?

 

[samac]

feels forced but I think this is par for samac.

is this a serious post, or?

is this a serious post?

You’ll get there
I was very confused on the matrix

 

[samac]

not samac

I just really liked the cut of their gib yesterday. They only had a few posts but the ones in quick succession felt clean and fresh.

Why are moon and I unpaired?

 

[Zenge142]

So talk to me about a world where moon is a lying liar who lies. And also kills villagers.

Also is that a claim...?

Alright genny.
You’re saying you’re sure?

This doesn’t read like a claim.

Stop PR hunting @samac

If someone wants to claim let them claim on their own terms instead of going in there like you’re popping a pimple

 

[Clem J]

This doesn’t read like a claim.

Stop PR hunting @samac

If someone wants to claim let them claim on their own terms instead of going in there like you’re popping a pimple

I mean it reads like a soft to me but I also have a migraine so 🤷‍♀️

 

[samac]

This doesn’t read like a claim.

Stop PR hunting @samac

If someone wants to claim let them claim on their own terms instead of going in there like you’re popping a pimple

It does read like a soft though
I don’t want to play this and yeet the doctor on a soft
I want a hard

 

[samac]

It does read like a soft though
I don’t want to play this and yeet the doctor on a soft
I want a hard

I just re-read that and I do not like the way I worded it but we’re here now.

 

[Clem J]

Yeah I mean atp we're not killing Moon without someone hard claiming against them, full stop lol

 

[Clem J]

Unless that claim is made we're bloccing moon forever 🤷‍♀️

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Why are moon and I unpaired?

You've been pretty firmly heading toward yeeting her today, it seems? If she is a wolf and you're in a pack with her, you would know she's fakeclaiming and I don't think would put this much effort into trying to get people to claim and such which would out your partner.

 

[Clem J]

You've been pretty firmly heading toward yeeting her today, it seems? If she is a wolf and you're in a pack with her, you would know she's fakeclaiming and I don't think would put this much effort into trying to get people to claim and such which would out your partner.

I've had the opposite impression from samac today lol