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[Animal Midwife]

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Day 1 Yeet Tally
Zenge (1) - Space 33
genny () -
Dubz () -
mkg (1) - samac 61
Shinichi (1) - genny 21
Santy (1) - Stagg 13
Clem (2) - moon 32, Gikkle 38
Stagg (1) - Dubz 45
Gikkle (1) - Clem 19
moon (1) - Santy 70

9/15
yeet close in ~7 hours

 

[moonstermash]

I just would have expected you to interact with me more. You are aware of my scum game but I haven't felt like you've been too concerned with me.

Fair. Well, I'm definitely keeping my eyes on you, and I do have thoughts, but sharing them might defeat the purpose, TBH. We could circle back tomorrow?

 

[Achromatic]

Moon is also voting someone I thought was OK earlier

Uh oh

 

[Achromatic]

Fair. Well, I'm definitely keeping my eyes on you, and I do have thoughts, but sharing them might defeat the purpose, TBH. We could circle back tomorrow?

Yeah but what if I yeet you today because you are giving me the heebies and then there is no tomorrow.

 

[Zenge142]

Moon is also voting someone I thought was OK earlier

Uh oh

Why did you feel ClemJ was “OK”?

 

[Stagg737]

I'm not caught up from responding to that, but looking at most recent vote tally seems like I'll hopefully be able to give more input elsewhere other than just Santy.

You called me out on "just" doing townreads and talking about achro. I interpret that as you taking a stab at me for doing little content.

So I asked you to compare the quantitu of my content to other slots. You are answering how you feel about other slots which was not what I asked.

My intention is to signalize that the call out onto content for how the game was at the time didnt make sense

It was me sussing you for content not being what I would have expected early play to be from when I've seen you village. I don't have that same reference point with others that early in the game, so you're not going to get it regardless of if you expect me to be able to or not. Again, I'm not locked on your vote at all, but that's where I felt was worth going at the time.

Also, I gave you another example with genny that I think was what you were looking for. Her content early on felt a bit more aggressive and direct than what I expected, so I did give you something else. If you legit don't think it makes sense that I get more of a feeling/read on some people much earlier than others then that makes me question you even more.

@Stagg737 can you talk to me about your read on Clem presently?

In clinic now but will note this for when I can catch up.

 

[Achromatic]

Why did you feel ClemJ was “OK”?

I liked their gikkle vote. Felt unhinged in a scum would pick someone else sort of way

 

[moonstermash]

Yeah but what if I yeet you today because you are giving me the heebies and then there is no tomorrow.

Well, I think that's a bad idea, but you're free to try, I suppose.

 

[Achromatic]

Alright

vote: moonster

dont often get invites like that

 

[Spacecamp]

Still in favor of brutally murdering zenge

Wolfy adjective, m'lord

 

[moonstermash]

Alright

vote: moonster

dont often get invites like that

Instant regret 😔

 

[Achromatic]

Wolfy adjective, m'lord

I get that a lot

 

[Spacecamp]

The rational being that if I can interct with you / see you in the eye I can get a good and confident grasp on your alignment.

Me voting for you I think helps with that

Uh, interact with me.

I'll try not to poke you in the eyes.

 

[Santygrass]

@Stagg737 later for when you have time I would appreciate it if you can compare my Meelee D1 to your initial feel of me this game to see if that different / off

 

[Santygrass]

Uh, interact with me.

I'll try not to poke you in the eyes.

Hello there !

That sort of treatment is for people I think have a good record of reading / just seeing their soul .

Rn I think you're towny or at least liked where your mind went when you were in thread.

If you have anything to ask me Ill reply when Im able (still at work).

 

[Santygrass]

What do you feel are your most confident reads rn space?

 

[Spacecamp]

@samac what are your thoughts on this post?

I have a lot of vibes with that Achro post, especially since I have more townreads than I do scumreads.

 

[Santygrass]

Wolfy adjective, m'lord

I love using tha kind of adjectives tbh.

I think I used a lot of them even on my first game here when no one knew me while I was also preaching about Pony Salvaje .

Goated villagery play hmmyes

 

[Achromatic]

Idk moon reads kind of frozen to me in regards to me. Asks for a day. I lay out a plan to vote. Instead of discussing stuff just says go ahead and when I do they say regrets

Kinda gonna need moon to start showing some process here

 

[Gikkle]

I think is good to townread gikkle. I'd reasses them D3 if they're still alive, just because they put such good effort and analysis that I think are likely a target. So we wait #Prostrat

Also the core of you+genny+gikkle+me I feel is likely to be pure and I want to see where trusting tha lead us.

Space I have a good vibe, but nothing confident. Jury's out with Achro and Moon. Prob most sus of moon, but Achro is a good wolf I think. So prob better to see later in the grand scheme of things.

Wouldnt yeet Achro D1 , I think neither Space. Moon mulling over it but not a priority of mine

If wolves keep me alive till d3/d4 they're in for a treat lol

 

[Gikkle]

Define "more"

I will not be doing heavy rereading and ISO analysis - I haven't the time nor the inclination. I will be operating on vibes as they hit me.

What I'm doing may look like fluff to you but it is how I feel out people and the gamestate. You're harshing my vibes.

I mean, I don't particularly care how you do it, I just wanna see you help out in some capacity so I can solve your alignment.

 

[Spacecamp]

(Copy-pasta from opening post because I know I'll forget someone otherwise)
Clem J - I only remember this person calling out DubZ (which took me a while to figure out was wildzoo) and reinforcing that read based on prior game history.
Santygrass- probably town based on vibes. I'll have a better handle on this person come day 2.
mkg323 - rvs posts felt very free-flowy. I could be biased since they called me towny or towny-looking or some other variation adjacent to that, but I'm not looking to yeet there today.
potentialsheltervet- I only remember this person have fewer than a dozen posts and I cannot for the life of me remember any of the content therein. I don't know if they ever posted after the RVS
moonstermash- I remember not liking them much in the rvs, liking them afterwards and having no recollection of why I had feelings either way. Currently thinking town because I haven't put additional thought into it.
samac- my top town, despite their protestations
holdthemayo - I can't remember but one post mayo made, but I liked it. I wouldn't hold onto that read if I don't see more, but I'm liking it for now.
Zenge142 - probably my biggest person to suspect, and it's not a lot behind it.
genny - null, but I feel like Genny is friendly and regardless of alignment is going to pocket me
WildZoo - I feel like I've seen "DubZ's" posts a lot, and I should have a firmer grasp on where they are, but I guess it feels kinda like treading water. This is the slot I would wager I need to spend the most time assessing.
Stagg737 - this is someone I find I will likely tunnel if I don't see something different from them. At first glance, their style like the type I will have trouble seeing as towny.
ShinichiMD - the difference between shinichi and someone like mayo is that shinichi just checked in and did/said nothing
Gikkle - maybe scum? There's a lot of world's I'm building around their flip, and that's probably unfair because there's only been 1 or 2 moments of "huh? This is scummy"
Achromatic - lean town due to general vibing, despite a hiccup here or there.

 

[Gikkle]

I just would have expected you to interact with me more. You are aware of my scum game but I haven't felt like you've been too concerned with me.

Achromatic trending upwards in my reads

 

[ShinichiMD]

That is such a healthy post goal
But you could be like me and have spurts where you hyper focus and then forget about it for hours

Basically me in a nut shell lol, anyways I'm catching up now.

 

[ShinichiMD]

Also in regards to Achro townreading me I think it can come mostly from Achro kinda knowing I tend to be OMGussy , and last time we were both town together we vibed real good.

So good idea to pocket me either as town or mafia , and I'll let it happen for now. Scum must be murdered.

Meh not sure how I will feel about this in the future of the game but for now I think this is coming from a pure town mindset. This may change through my catchup.

Also, I hyper post when catching up

 

[Gikkle]

unvote clem

apparently you have to unvote to change votes

Clem is just lhf imo. I do wanna see more from them but I don't really see them flipping scum atm.

 

[Achromatic]

Let's just kill moon and call it a day.

I'm going to go take a nap.

 

[ShinichiMD]

does this have any motivation behind it, or just felt like picking on zenges?

disagree.
she's very firmly neutral rn

I kinda like genny entrance, it was straight to game talk and questioning people. Does genny do this as any alignment?

 

[Spacecamp]

I kinda like genny entrance, it was straight to game talk and questioning people. Does genny do this as any alignment?

I actually gave Stagg a scumlean for pretty much the exact same behavior.

 

[ShinichiMD]

I like Gikkle’s analysis here. It feels genuine and towny.

I don’t necessarily agree about the performative nature of it, at this moment, but I like how the thought process has been walked through here.

I think Gikkle read seems forced, because rvs is normally rvs. Like there are def times where I question peoples votes early on especially if they claim its rvs then give some insane explanation but I'm not getting that vibe even after reading the analysis.

 

[Spacecamp]

Ok, I'm giving shinichi a day-pass.

 

[Gikkle]

vote moonster

plopping my vote here for now, I need to re-read their ISO.

 

[Santygrass]

I kinda like genny entrance, it was straight to game talk and questioning people. Does genny do this as any alignment?

Quite the opposite as any alignment from my experience

 

[Santygrass]

Quite the opposite as any alignment from my experience

As in: genny is usually far more side-liney type of player as any alignment

 

[ShinichiMD]

Page 3 is wack, it didn't really progress the game at all.

Also MKG spent almost that entire page barely providing any actual content after all those posts.
I can't tell if Samic read on MKG on page 3 is serious or not, because I feel like it shouldnt

 

[moonstermash]

Idk moon reads kind of frozen to me in regards to me. Asks for a day. I lay out a plan to vote. Instead of discussing stuff just says go ahead and when I do they say regrets

Kinda gonna need moon to start showing some process here

I mean, if you want more with regards to you, IIRC you pocketed me pretty hard in that 12/12, and you're not doing that here. But early on, I had a niggle you decided to pocket Santy instead, and would try to flip him tomorrow if we didn't get a scum today. (I think I agree with Gikkle that you're not w/w, though.) So, that's why I wanted to wait.

Even more than that, I was hoping if I ignored you, the wolves would do me a favor and resolve you N1. :wowee:

 

[ShinichiMD]

I have a natural distrust of anyone who TRs me

You're on my watchlist now buddy

More inclined to scum read you because this something I see from scum when they try to turn eyes towards another person. But then again I've come some scum through this but was more meta reads.

Is there any particular cases where this actually caught mafia?

 

[ShinichiMD]

For context genny is a player that is 'just genny' for their style of play and very hard to read. Last game they were scum and won.

I think their post still are on a 'genny' level of input/on their own game kind of vibe, but first impression feels very different from the genny that was more of an observer and didnt put much independent thought into the thread. Genny coming and giving 3 trs and moving along felt good to me

oh this kinda worries me now because I gave genny such an easy town read, is genny a power wolf player?

 

[moonstermash]

Let's just kill moon and call it a day.

I'm going to go take a nap.

Nono, you need the moon, for the tides. Very important. Do not kill the moon.

 

[ShinichiMD]

If you see me handing out townreads, do you expect from me to have a vote that is from an expected place?

And how much do you remember about my D1 Stagg pls? Its super common for me to just give away easy townreads like almlst always? I have some times in where I just start biting aswell but not always the case?

And tbh I want you to be honest with yourself and look at how you've read me in past games with the 'off' vibe and how many times you were right about it .

I mean just last game you misread me (even after you were ded and sussing me from the graveyard) , and my start was cowclearing Zenge shshdhshsh

Gonna put this post in the back burner cause its kinda suss to me.

 

[ShinichiMD]

The way Shinichi phrases that top post rings some bells for me (the "if anything the slot should currently just be null" part), but it's nothing strong. More like a "I feel like wolves are more inclined to say something like that bc it makes them look like they have are contributing to the discussion in some way"

Nah, the person was just null at the time and didn't deserve any read they were getting beyond that off of their first 2 posts that changed nothing.

_____

Page 4: Is weird because of Santy and Stagg ****, I wanna just slap one of them is mafia other is town, but this argument feels more like town fighting with town.

 

[genny]

I don’t think zenge has done enough to deserve that level of a village defense

I wouldn’t call that a defense

TBH, I didn't see Gikkle's read post until after I finished that, but even with those disagreements, I still think Gikkle's been towny enough today.



I mean, part of it might just be that genny's aura reads are a bit too... how do I say this non-judgementally... difficult for me to understand? Maybe it's just a different type of vibe read, but I don't get it and it seems really easy to fake. And TBH I don't see any particularly villagery posts on an ISO skim, either.

It’s ok, you can say you think I’m full of poop and somewhat spacey and I won’t hold it against you later

Now that I think about it I think genny has talked previously about being more srs bizness for champs practice games to emulate the champs vibes.

I could be making that up but in my head it explains her more direct approach/being easier to read this game.

Aura reads are srs bzns

I want to keep saying Gherkin.

I keep thinking giclee, like the print

 

[genny]

oh this kinda worries me now because I gave genny such an easy town read, is genny a power wolf player?

Hahahahaha
No

 

[mkg323]

I bet @Animal Midwife is salivating at the prospect of killing MKG in a game shes not even playing.

@mkg323 Post please

I'm catching up!! and rereading a bit, bc i thought stagg was fine at the start but it seems like people are really salivating over yeeting him
also this is like my 20th post chill i promise i wont get mod killed

 

[mkg323]

also clem in the lead is like, a nothing burger to me. he's barely been here. is there anything his flip would really tell us?

 

[Santygrass]

oh this kinda worries me now because I gave genny such an easy town read, is genny a power wolf player?

Not a power wolf.

But due to their playstyle it was very hard to determine their alignment.
This game they are being more direct / open with their thoughts

 

[genny]

also clem in the lead is like, a nothing burger to me. he's barely been here. is there anything his flip would really tell us?

It would tell us if he’s wolfing. This is a weird defense of Clem.

 

[Spacecamp]

It’s ok, you can say you think I’m full of poop and somewhat spacey and I won’t hold it against you later

...but I'm space...

 

[Spacecamp]

It would tell us if he’s wolfing. This is a weird defense of Clem.

While I don't really like the original question, I agree with the general sentiment, so this answer to it is a big 🤔 😕 to me

 

[samac]

Well this is your fault for calling me village
And my fault for being unsure if it was a joke
And then spiraling about how wolf you knows I get suspicious of village reads and has successfully pocketed me in the past by manufacturing sus and then turning it around, but then maybe wolf you would expect that I would expect that and therefore go for the direct village read this time to throw me off.

It's a real roller coaster right now

Village dubz.