MCAT- 60% no science background necessary

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So, after counting VR and WS, I've noticed that many of the science questions are purely passage based and with no science background necessary to answer them. Racial minorities/immigrants are usually known to be less proficient in reading levels although may be just as proficient in science concepts as others. Personally I feel that the test is very biased against racial minorities and immigrants. I understand that in order to function in the society, a good English skill is needed. However 60% on English skills doesn't sound much like a test to admit students into a science based profession. Being good at science helps you tremendously. But, a good reading comprehension is JUST as helpful. It's unfair. Now I can understand how people feel that the racial majority set up the social infrastructure to minimize infiltration of racial minorities in to their social circle. Rather than a blatant, in your face discrimination, this is how it's done. Don't get angry at my post....I'm just venting. I've ranked #1 or #2 in all my science preqs and am a racial minority and English is my second language. As I ran through some MCAT passages I came to the realization that my knowlege in science can only take me so far and I likely will not score above 10's or 11's even in the science sections. VR section....forget about it. Simply I feel 😡
 
Personally I feel that the text is very biased against racial minorities and immigrants.

What kind of solution would you suggest?
If I want to go to medical school in Italy, I will have to learn Italian. Now I don't speak Italian, so I can't go to medical school in Italy. That's not unfair, anymore than its unfair that people speak more than one language.

I've a got a japanese friend who speaks broken english; she only came here a few years ago, and she's at Hopkins now. I'm a native speaker, but my GPA is low so I'll have to apply to an off-shore school. It all evens out.
 
If it was 100% science based, people will complain that you have to memorize or recite too many facts. And in reality, the science background should help you with your passages. Many times, I have faced a passage that I am familiar with from school. For example, the last test had a passage on renal transporters. If you studied about it before hand, you could really just skim the passage rather than trying to understand all the information presented. IMO, this saves a lot of time and gives more time for answering the questions based on the passage.
 
try going through a BS practice exam and dont read any passages at all. Ud be suprised how well u do just knowing science. Ive actually done this a few times and scored between 9-11 by answering the questions WITHOUT the passage.
 
OMG, such a crock of ish. I'm not a Native speaker and yet I got a 10 in VR, T in WS, and scored in the 95%ile in the verbal section of the SAT both times I took it. Stop whining and start working. It's always the ones who are too lazy to do actual work who are doing all the b!tching, the ones who work hard are too busy getting ahead.
 
OMG, such a crock of ish. I'm not a Native speaker and yet I got a 10 in VR, T in WS, and scored in the 95%ile in the verbal section of the SAT both times I took it. Stop whining and start working. It's always the ones who are too lazy to do actual work who are doing all the b!tching, the ones who work hard are too busy getting ahead.

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OMG, such a crock of ish. I'm not a Native speaker and yet I got a 10 in VR, T in WS, and scored in the 95%ile in the verbal section of the SAT both times I took it. Stop whining and start working. It's always the ones who are too lazy to do actual work who are doing all the b!tching, the ones who work hard are too busy getting ahead.

I didn't rank #1 or 2 in my science courses because I was lazy. I do admit that English proficiency is absolutely essential in anything we do in a society in which English is the primary language. However, weighing 60% of the exam on English proficiency IS a bit biased considering that we are not working towards a law or liberal arts degree. That is my point. Sure, do test us on English skills. Just not 60% of the exam. There were numerous question in the passage based science questions which no one who spent years studying for the MCAT would even know since it's simply the information provided in the passage. These types of questions are just another type of VR questions in BS or PS section.
 
So, after counting VR and WS, I've noticed that many of the science questions are purely passage based and with no science background necessary to answer them. Racial minorities/immigrants are usually known to be less proficient in reading levels although may be just as proficient in science concepts as others. Personally I feel that the test is very biased against racial minorities and immigrants. I understand that in order to function in the society, a good English skill is needed. However 60% on English skills doesn't sound much like a test to admit students into a science based profession. Being good at science helps you tremendously. But, a good reading comprehension is JUST as helpful. It's unfair. Now I can understand how people feel that the racial majority set up the social infrastructure to minimize infiltration of racial minorities in to their social circle. Rather than a blatant, in your face discrimination, this is how it's done. Don't get angry at my post....I'm just venting. I've ranked #1 or #2 in all my science preqs and am a racial minority and English is my second language. As I ran through some MCAT passages I came to the realization that my knowlege in science can only take me so far and I likely will not score above 10's or 11's even in the science sections. VR section....forget about it. Simply I feel 😡

English was not my first language and I have to agree that it may be harder for someone to do well if they do not have a strong background in English. Of course it's easier for others if they do have a strong background in English. But that does not mean it's a lost cause for you. You just have to keep working at it. It might take longer for things to click, but you can't spend time worrying about that. Practice a lot, it'll come to you.
 
I have no clue how you came up with the 60% deal. 60% will get you a 9 or 10 on a section most of the time. So you are saying that if you take any old English major (sorry, NATIVE SPEAKER), have them sit for the MCAT without having done any science studying, and they'll score a 27-30 just so? PLEASE.

There's a ton of native speakers on this forum who also studied their asses off AND got low 20s. I'm sure they'll appreciate your whiny contribution.
 
toally agree with jochi. quit complaining and do some work. i hate it when people think the mcat (or anything else in life for that matter) is supposed to be 100% perfectly fair to everyone. An english major is going to do better on verbal, A bio major is going to do better on bs, a physics major is going to do better on PS. quit whining, and work.
 
2nd year med student here who noticed the thread on the main page. i was a poli sci major, history minor who too the mcat a couple years ago w/no orgo & only one bio class-->since that was my best section, you really don't need a strong science background to do well on it.
 
I have no clue how you came up with the 60% deal. 60% will get you a 9 or 10 on a section most of the time. So you are saying that if you take any old English major (sorry, NATIVE SPEAKER), have them sit for the MCAT without having done any science studying, and they'll score a 27-30 just so? PLEASE.

There's a ton of native speakers on this forum who also studied their asses off AND got low 20s. I'm sure they'll appreciate your whiny contribution.

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toally agree with jochi. quit complaining and do some work. i hate it when people think the mcat (or anything else in life for that matter) is supposed to be 100% perfectly fair to everyone. An english major is going to do better on verbal, A bio major is going to do better on bs, a physics major is going to do better on PS. quit whining, and work.

And a music major (aka: me) better study their ass off, and enjoy the retake 🙂 👍
 
2nd year med student here who noticed the thread on the main page. i was a poli sci major, history minor who too the mcat a couple years ago w/no orgo & only one bio class-->since that was my best section, you really don't need a strong science background to do well on it.

I agree. I mean you obviously need some sort of familiarity with the sciences but the MCAT tests your reasoning and critical reading skills. It really isn't a content based test.
 
As an afterthought to my last post, I feel like you can only go so far with knowing the content on the test. But people who successfully score 35+ on the test have really good reading skills.
 
To the OP: don't worry, AA will more than make up for it (and relax, that was just to get the humorless going, and to potentially hijack the thread).

In all seriousness, there's a HUGE difference between having awesome science ability and being a good doctor. You obviously need the science, but more than anything, you need to be able to communicate effectively with your coworkers and patients. A doctor that can't communicate is a ticking time bomb since you're going to be more likely to accidentally give the wrong orders or explain a procedure or diagnosis incorrectly to a patient. I think this is one test where there really should be a bias toward a thorough understanding of the English language vs something like a physics GRE. When the stakes are as high as they are in the medical field, making sure you understand what others are saying and that they understand you (and I'm talking content, not accent), English is absolutely as important as it is in the courtroom or a think tank.
 
To the OP: don't worry, AA will more than make up for it (and relax, that was just to get the humorless going, and to potentially hijack the thread).

In all seriousness, there's a HUGE difference between having awesome science ability and being a good doctor. You obviously need the science, but more than anything, you need to be able to communicate effectively with your coworkers and patients. A doctor that can't communicate is a ticking time bomb since you're going to be more likely to accidentally give the wrong orders or explain a procedure or diagnosis incorrectly to a patient. I think this is one test where there really should be a bias toward a thorough understanding of the English language vs something like a physics GRE. When the stakes are as high as they are in the medical field, making sure you understand what others are saying and that they understand you (and I'm talking content, not accent), English is absolutely as important as it is in the courtroom or a think tank.

woot. say it again. 👍
 
I didn't rank #1 or 2 in my science courses because I was lazy. I do admit that English proficiency is absolutely essential in anything we do in a society in which English is the primary language. However, weighing 60% of the exam on English proficiency IS a bit biased considering that we are not working towards a law or liberal arts degree. That is my point. Sure, do test us on English skills. Just not 60% of the exam. There were numerous question in the passage based science questions which no one who spent years studying for the MCAT would even know since it's simply the information provided in the passage. These types of questions are just another type of VR questions in BS or PS section.

English proficiency and data analysis are two different things. They are testing whether or not you can understand what you read and use it, NOT whether you can read or not.
 
I've been a physical therapist for the past 10+ years. The rapport I have with my patients (usage of spoken English) and my ability to understand the patient charts (my reading comprehension level) have never gotten in the way of performing my job. However, the MCAT being a test to admit people into a science based profession consisting of 60% pure English comprehension is what I have a problem with. Someone asked how I came up with that 60% number. WS and VR make up 50% of the exam. Then ~10% of the BS/PS are purely passage based which no amount of prior science work will help you answer those questions. I understand that the exam can't be fair to everyone. What IS fair to everyone. But, what does get my attention is the AMOUNT of emphasis on English rather than science concepts. I do understand why some of you'd say I'm whinning. But, unless you have been in similar situation, you'd not truly understand it or empathize with it. Am I a hard worker and will I try to get the best score I can? Sure. I didn't get straight A's in my prereqs or get to TA a organic chem lab section without a chem degree for slacking off.

I don't feel this MCAT situation is fair the way I feel Affirmative Action is unfair. AA on a global scale, likely creates a healthier society which the economic and professional diversity create. However, is it really fair for that white applicant who got rejected at his dream school while a racial minority got in with a lower stat? No, it's not fair. The MCAT issue is a different animal. But, I bring it up since some of you fail to recognize the obvious inequities and write it off as something "you need to deal with and stop whinning". I will deal with it...by studying hard. Am I going to keep my thoughts to myself about this? No....just the way I disagree with AA. What's unfair is unfair.
 
i'd rather have a test that favors good readers/critical thinkers than those who study for 2 years prior and know the concepts cold. it makes for a better standardized indicator. gpa shows work ethic and mcat shows how you perform under pressure. i'm really glad they changed the format (back in 91?) b/c otherwise all the high scorers would be the ones who studied most for it.
 
I definitely agree that this test is biased towards native speakers. I took the test, got a 31 in total, and an R in the writing section, but a 6 on verbal. Why? Because I'm a slow reader, I just can't ever finish the VR section no matter how hard I try. My accuracy is high, I score around 80% on the passages that I do finish, but end up guessing on 1-2 passages.

If this is is really about critical thinking, why is time so limiting? Doesn't that give an advantage to native speakers who naturally read faster?

The verbal section has ruined me. I failed to get into any med schools in spite of my 3.9 GPA and A's in English lit, philosophy and anthropology courses mostly because of the VR score.
 
So, after counting VR and WS, I've noticed that many of the science questions are purely passage based and with no science background necessary to answer them. Racial minorities/immigrants are usually known to be less proficient in reading levels although may be just as proficient in science concepts as others. Personally I feel that the test is very biased against racial minorities and immigrants. I understand that in order to function in the society, a good English skill is needed. However 60% on English skills doesn't sound much like a test to admit students into a science based profession. Being good at science helps you tremendously. But, a good reading comprehension is JUST as helpful. It's unfair. Now I can understand how people feel that the racial majority set up the social infrastructure to minimize infiltration of racial minorities in to their social circle. Rather than a blatant, in your face discrimination, this is how it's done. Don't get angry at my post....I'm just venting. I've ranked #1 or #2 in all my science preqs and am a racial minority and English is my second language. As I ran through some MCAT passages I came to the realization that my knowlege in science can only take me so far and I likely will not score above 10's or 11's even in the science sections. VR section....forget about it. Simply I feel 😡

How do you feel it affects racial minorities when the passages come from a class that cost's 2000$ to take?
 
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However, the MCAT being a test to admit people into a science based profession consisting of 60% pure English comprehension is what I have a problem with. Someone asked how I came up with that 60% number. WS and VR make up 50% of the exam. Then ~10% of the BS/PS are purely passage based which no amount of prior science work will help you answer those questions. I understand that the exam can't be fair to everyone. What IS fair to everyone. But, what does get my attention is the AMOUNT of emphasis on English rather than science concepts. I do understand why some of you'd say I'm whinning. But, unless you have been in similar situation, you'd not truly understand it or empathize with it. Am I a hard worker and will I try to get the best score I can? Sure. I didn't get straight A's in my prereqs or get to TA a organic chem lab section without a chem degree for slacking off.

Well this is one heck of a beehive you kicked out of the pandora's box you opened.

Just as a precursory note, one thing I find interesting in this thread is that you are extremely articulate. It's ironic that your superior English language skills are what concern you.

So my $0.02:

1) The test is not 60% English based. The writing sample is just not that significant, so it can't be considered a quarter of the exam. So, there are 144 multiple-choice questions to consider. Verbal makes up 40 of these. In the BS section, you can figure that 20 questions are reading comprehension dependent. In PS, the questions are often answered by having a solid understanding of the definitions and concepts. Reading comprehension plays a minimal role. So let's say it's 60/144, which is slightly over 40% of the exam questions, depend on reading comprehension.

2) You are overestimating the primary and secondary educational systems in this country. While no one can deny that being a native speaker will help in your ability to read English, the average graduate from an American high school has less ability to reason than graduates from pretty much any industrialized nation. There was a National Geographic study that listed us as next to last when it came to understanding the globe and the world around us. High school math and science here equates to middle school studies in many other countries. Granted, the top students here are on par with the top most anywhere in the world (and that is where the premed pool predominantly spawns), but on the whole we have an educational crisis in this country. So the advantage you speak of for native speakers could very well be a placebo effect.

Which leads to a question posed in an early response. "What do you propose to be more fair?" The exam is an analytical, thinking exam. Such an exam is going to require reading, especially if they intend to test you on basic concepts in unfamiliar settings. With substantial number of the test takers being non-native speakers, how do we adjust the exam to make it more fair in your eyes? It will always have a cultural bias. It will always be unfair to someone. Is there a way to balance things for everyone?

If you ask me, I think the MCAT is an amazingly well-written exam that should be used as an exit exam from college and not an admissions exam for medical school. It would make far more sense to make an admissions exam for medical school have something to do with the basics of medicine and medical common sense. Case-based MCAT passages would make the greatest sense for determining a candidate's worthiness for medical school. If all of the passages were case-based, and the all of the questions could be answered by combining the information in the passage with fundamental science concepts, then it would seem that such an exam would be ideal for determining a candidate's qualifications for entry into medical school.

But alas, the test is what it is. Good luck getting a handle on the parts that bother you most, because you would/will make a terrific doctor.
 
MCAT verbal passages are usually based on everything except medically- or scientifically-relevant topics. I have taken the DAT, for instance, which also has a verbal section that tests critical thinking, but the passages are not drawn from random sociology books of 6 decades ago, but things that a pre-dent student is more fimiliar with and should better comprehend. I mean how does it really help for you to understand a passage on art history compared to one about, say, public health in Africa? How often do med students get to read on topics covered in the MCAT verbal, anyway?

The MCAT verbal is a horrible way to examine pre-meds' critical thinking abilities because it gives an unnecessry advantage to people with arts degrees that tend to be more familiar with the content and style of VR passages.
 
the op is totally right. why don't we make the mcat a take-home test? and while we're at it, why don't we get all the sick and dying people to eat a twix bar so the docs can take all the time they need to think of what needs to be done.:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:
 
MCAT verbal passages are usually based on everything except medically- or scientifically-relevant topics. I have taken the DAT, for instance, which also has a verbal section that tests critical thinking, but the passages are not drawn from random sociology books of 6 decades ago, but things that a pre-dent student is more fimiliar with and should better comprehend. I mean how does it really help for you to understand a passage on art history compared to one about, say, public health in Africa? How often do med students get to read on topics covered in the MCAT verbal, anyway?

The MCAT verbal is a horrible way to examine pre-meds' critical thinking abilities because it gives an unnecessry advantage to people with arts degrees that tend to be more familiar with the content and style of VR passages.

ud be surprised how much reading just one complex book a MONTH would increase ur VR skills. u dont have to be an art major or a native speaker to do well. Its really all about effort. Some people read their entire lives and do exceptionally wel on VR with very little to no practice at all. Others may not read at all out of the classroom and have to practice hours each day to do well. Usually people that do bad are the ones that complain about such things. How about you guys put some effort into studying and actually STUDY.
 
That's exactly the point of the VR section: to throw a bunch of information at you that you are not familiar with and see how well you process it. If you see a passage on sociology, it's not because med schools want to test your knowledge of sociology, but because they want to see how quickly and easily you're able to catch on to sociology or whatever other random topic you're given.

MCAT verbal passages are usually based on everything except medically- or scientifically-relevant topics. I have taken the DAT, for instance, which also has a verbal section that tests critical thinking, but the passages are not drawn from random sociology books of 6 decades ago, but things that a pre-dent student is more fimiliar with and should better comprehend. I mean how does it really help for you to understand a passage on art history compared to one about, say, public health in Africa? How often do med students get to read on topics covered in the MCAT verbal, anyway?

The MCAT verbal is a horrible way to examine pre-meds' critical thinking abilities because it gives an unnecessry advantage to people with arts degrees that tend to be more familiar with the content and style of VR passages.
 
ud be surprised how much reading just one complex book a MONTH would increase ur VR skills. u dont have to be an art major or a native speaker to do well. Its really all about effort. Some people read their entire lives and do exceptionally wel on VR with very little to no practice at all. Others may not read at all out of the classroom and have to practice hours each day to do well. Usually people that do bad are the ones that complain about such things. How about you guys put some effort into studying and actually STUDY.

Did a lot of that. Too bad, it didn't help me read FASTER. I've said before that I score above 80% (closer to 90%) on passages that I do finish.

But I'll bust my ass this time, kill and f**kin' VR whatever it takes and let you know I did!:meanie:
 
So, after counting VR and WS, I've noticed that many of the science questions are purely passage based and with no science background necessary to answer them. Racial minorities/immigrants are usually known to be less proficient in reading levels although may be just as proficient in science concepts as others. Personally I feel that the test is very biased against racial minorities and immigrants. I understand that in order to function in the society, a good English skill is needed. However 60% on English skills doesn't sound much like a test to admit students into a science based profession. Being good at science helps you tremendously. But, a good reading comprehension is JUST as helpful. It's unfair. Now I can understand how people feel that the racial majority set up the social infrastructure to minimize infiltration of racial minorities in to their social circle. Rather than a blatant, in your face discrimination, this is how it's done. Don't get angry at my post....I'm just venting. I've ranked #1 or #2 in all my science preqs and am a racial minority and English is my second language. As I ran through some MCAT passages I came to the realization that my knowlege in science can only take me so far and I likely will not score above 10's or 11's even in the science sections. VR section....forget about it. Simply I feel 😡

I am not a racial minority...English is my 3rd language and I began learning it at 19. Don't think of yourself as a victim ... just try to do the best you can. I have never been cut any slack for the hardships I have had to overcome, including but not limited to working to put myself through school. Yes life is unfair and unfairness neither starts nor ends with medical school admissions. Just do the best you can and don't give up...
 
I definitely agree that this test is biased towards native speakers. I took the test, got a 31 in total, and an R in the writing section, but a 6 on verbal. Why? Because I'm a slow reader, I just can't ever finish the VR section no matter how hard I try. My accuracy is high, I score around 80% on the passages that I do finish, but end up guessing on 1-2 passages.

If this is is really about critical thinking, why is time so limiting? Doesn't that give an advantage to native speakers who naturally read faster?

The verbal section has ruined me. I failed to get into any med schools in spite of my 3.9 GPA and A's in English lit, philosophy and anthropology courses mostly because of the VR score.

How about quickly reading through the passages just trying to get the main points and refer to the passage when the question asks? It should give some extra time to get through at least one more passage. I think it is better to finish and miss a few along the way that randomly guess on two passages. Have you tried something like this before to raise your score?
 
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