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Were you guys married in a Catholic church? We had to do the whole hoopla with the counseling and classes before we got married, and I've heard it would have been a whole lot worse if both of us hadn't been Catholic.

Yeah, we were married in her hometown church. As far as hoops to jump, we had to sit down with the priest and discuss our plans (after taking a really fun scantron test to see how compatible we were), attend a half-day seminar on marriage, and spend an evening chatting with a volunteer married couple from the church about what our scantron tests said. Basically they just wanted to see what issues we had/had not discussed and open up communication on those fronts. You know, so we both had an idea if the other person wanted to be a swinger or something (don't worry, I relented on that one).

Contrary to popular belief, I did not have to sign anything saying that I would allow my kids to be raised catholic. Although that's pretty much part of the marriage ceremony so I guess verbal assent was given.
 
Heck, I'd probably even become Catholic if it wasn't for my whole inability to believe in a deity thing.
Hmmm, that doesn't bother your wife at all? My wife never would have married me if I wasn't similar to her beliefs (well, more so when we started going out. I've been on a weird journey over the past 2-3 years).
 
My ex-husband is an athiest, I'm Jewish, and we were married by a Methodist minister. My mom is an ex-Catholic turned Methodist and my Dad is a Messianic Jew. It's a good combination... no one fights because no one can keep track of who believes what.
 
My ex-husband is an athiest, I'm Jewish, and we were married by a Methodist minister. My mom is an ex-Catholic turned Methodist and my Dad is a Messianic Jew. It's a good combination... no one fights because no one can keep track of who believes what.
ex-husband? is that why your facebook has you in a big white dress and your relationship status of "It's complicated"? I was wondering about that...
 
The big white dress picture was posted by my best friend Amy, not me.

And the short answer to that is yes.
 
Hmmm, that doesn't bother your wife at all? My wife never would have married me if I wasn't similar to her beliefs (well, more so when we started going out. I've been on a weird journey over the past 2-3 years).

Do tell. I went on a 'weird journey' myself between 25 and 27 years of age, and ended up........a reluctant atheist probably says it best. Has this not affected your relationship with your wife, or do you keep your change of heart on the down low?
 
Do tell. I went on a 'weird journey' myself between 25 and 27 years of age, and ended up........a reluctant atheist probably says it best. Has this not affected your relationship with your wife, or do you keep your change of heart on the down low?
Well, I would tell.....if only I could explain it. I considered where you ended up, but I was neither convinced (nor did I want) to take up your position. She knows that I have a lot of misgivings about things - such as slaughtering all the children in every city the Israelites conquered. That doesn't quite seem like the actions of a just God, although I'm more inclined to think that it was man's error either in claiming that they did something they didn't or they did something they weren't instructed to do. I've also been frustrated with the church's insistence on a literal six-day creationist theory, because I was raised to believe it, and now I don't, because of an overwhelming body of evidence (and the following book). You either have to believe in evolution or that God laid out evidence to look exactly like evolution. Nothing like tearing apart what your parents told you because you now know it's wrong. 😳

I just read this book:
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and I really liked it. Francis Collins was raised an atheist, and after he got his PhD, he went to med school, where he ended up becoming a Christian, and now he's one of the world's greatest scientists (he headed up the human genome project). I think I might get C.S. Lewis's book "Mere Christianity" in the near future, because it's something of a cornerstone of apologetics.
 
👍 Thanks, pal. Nothing like a little old-school soul baring in what tends to be a pretty superficial medium. I've read Mere Christianity and gobs of other books by my homey C.S., and I'd like to read the book by Francis Collins. Important stuff for the clinical practitioner in my opinion, especially a primary-care sort like me. As my faith has waned, my interest in comparative religions has flourished, and I also like exploring the various ways in which different people have reconciled their compulsion to believe in the transcendental with their doubts about its verisimilitude.
 
I think I might get C.S. Lewis's book "Mere Christianity" in the near future, because it's something of a cornerstone of apologetics.

I just finished Mere Christianity this week. I thought it was ok, but definitely did not live up to the hype in my mind. Maybe that stems from the original radio medium that it was intended for, because I found most of the arguments pretty superficial and insufficiently intellectual.

I actually read a book recently by the mathematician/physicist Blaise Pascal (his Pensees for those keeping score) that was really thought-provoking and, I thought, philosophically compelling. At the time I was reading it I was about *this* close to setting up a meeting with wifey's priest to discuss my spirituality (I still feel spiritual even without the current belief in a God). I'll probably skip the rest of C.S Lewis' writings and go straight to some stuff by Thomas Aquinas, another famous Catholic apologetic like Pascal.

Yeah, Prowler, wifey is not all that thrilled with the current status. She knows full well my position on things and the fact that I've basically been atheist since my early teens. We talk about it all the time, and I not only attend services every week (and even crazy days like Ash-leigh Wednesday) but I also am typically reading a book about Christianity at all times. I find it really fascinating, but I just have this visceral feeling that keeps me from jumping in. Hard to describe, really. I dabbled in buddhism (Theravada to be precise) a couple years ago and felt really attracted to many of their practices and beliefs, but it really put a strain on our relationship. I thought she would be excited that I was finding a spiritual path (she had always said that she just wanted me to find what worked for me) but it turns out that she is not really fully satisfied unless I believe in some sort of God as the basis of my spirituality. So not necessarily Catholic, but some sort of Christianity, Judaism, or Islam, I guess. I've contemplated the idea of merging many of the buddhist practices I found useful along with a really loose interpretation of Christianity, but am a little hesitant to do something quite so radical just yet.

Longwinded, sure. Interesting--maybe? I'd love to hear everyone else's take on the situation and/or suggestions on how someone who was raised areligious can come to grips with a belief system that (excuse me for being blunt) is just so dang far out there. 😉
 
Jesse... if you'll say I'm a "little bit" ninja, I'll make you a "little bit" Jewish. And it'll be perfect! Think the yarmulke will go with the ninja gear?
 
Jesse... if you'll say I'm a "little bit" ninja, I'll make you a "little bit" Jewish. And it'll be perfect! Think the yarmulke will go with the ninja gear?

An interesting proposition. Before answering though, can the yarmulke be straight-up black?

Oh, and if I'm a "little bit" Jewish do I get permission to do my Jerry Seinfeld impression whenever I want?
 
As long as you pick your parish carefully (which I imagine is the same as any denomination) you can pretty much find whatever you want in the church.

This is definitely true for Lutherans. I'm ELCA, and we're pretty liberal. Still a traditional service, but not too many "rules."

However, my mom's side of the family is WELS lutheran (Wisconsin synod). Lots of restrictions and whatnot. For instance, when I happen to go to theirchurch, I'm not allowed to commune unless I have a sit-down with the pastor first. The thought is that if they allow me to commune, but don't truly believe, that's much worse than not communing at all. Not sure what implications it would have... The women in that church didn't have any rights until I think sometime in the 1990s. My friend that was raised WELS was living with her boyfriend. They hunted down her address and would continuosly leave brochures at her door about how she was going to go to hell for her actions. Doesn't exactly make you want to go to church.

I've heard the Missouri synod is similar, but I don't know.

There's other types of lutherans out there too that I don't know anything about.
 
So not necessarily Catholic, but some sort of Christianity, Judaism, or Islam, I guess. I've contemplated the idea of merging many of the buddhist practices I found useful along with a really loose interpretation of Christianity, but am a little hesitant to do something quite so radical just yet.
Which aspects of Buddhism are you referring to? I don't see why you couldn't use breathing/relaxation techniques that some use for meditation just to clear your mind and focus your thoughts. Or pray, I guess. A lot of people use prayer for their wish list, which is pretty much not how it was intended (YOUR will be done, not WHAT I WANT be done). Collins says that he uses prayer as an opportunity to better understand God.
 
There's other types of lutherans out there too that I don't know anything about.

Interesting to hear about the huge differences even within the Lutheran church. I was actually baptized Lutheran, attended church sporadically during my childhood, and even started the confirmation process in a Lutheran church (don't recall its affiliation beyond that) before bowing out. I don't remember anything striking me as outrageous or anything, but I wasn't too fond of the pastor that was confirming me. He wasn't very good at fielding or being patient with my numerous questions about what the heck the Trinity is all about, and he was also not at all understanding about my family's situation at the time (parents had just divorced and one of the few times my dad had visitation rights to me at the time happened to be Wednesday nights during confirmation). I don't recall him asking me "how I was doing" with the whole thing at all.

That being said, I have tons of friends in MN who are Lutheran as it is kind of a protestant hotbed over there. They all seem to dig the church, and are all exceedingly liberal in every sense of the word.
 
Which aspects of Buddhism are you referring to? I don't see why you couldn't use breathing/relaxation techniques that some use for meditation just to clear your mind and focus your thoughts. Or pray, I guess. A lot of people use prayer for their wish list, which is pretty much not how it was intended (YOUR will be done, not WHAT I WANT be done). Collins says that he uses prayer as an opportunity to better understand God.

Oh yeah, totally. I found the meditation techniques to be really helpful, and they definitely aren't off-limits to anyone. The big difference for me between buddhism and say mystical catholicism where they use meditative prayer alot comes in where the mind is focused. In buddhism you are taught that happiness (Nirvana) is within your power and comes from you learning to let go of attachments to this world, whereas in mystical christianity you are trying to gain a connection to God, who will take away these attachments for you. Essentially I see the difference in the buddhist assuming responsibility for his happiness and spiritual pureness vs. the christian mystic believing that those tasks can only be accomplished by God.
 
Wow... I sure missed a lot during my wasted H&P session (never actually saw a patient, so I'm gonna have to go back for a 6th meeting with my mentor after spending 4 hours in the neuro ICU).

I wasn't raised Christian, but I became Christian when I was 14 (still hated going to church though -- didn't like that 'til I was 16 or 17). My parents basically started making us go to church when I was 9, so they would have a basis to teach us "morals" (like why it's wrong to tell your sister that her kids are going to hate her and love you).

I'm also a young-earth creationist (Earth's 6000 years old, created in 6 days). I have books with evidence towards it, but they've gotten lost en route from Maui (along with my Lord of the Ring's books). =( I also took a brief overview class on it b/w frosh and soph year of college.

Not as conservative as my parents though.
 
(along with my Lord of the Ring's books). =(

That is most unfortunate. Little known fact: wifey's dad worked binding books and actually bound the most recent compilation of the Lord of the Rings books (the spiffy one that came out around the 2nd movie or so). Needless to say, I got a free copy. 😉

How many other LotR geeks are out there? I've always wanted to try to watch all 3 extended editions of the movies in one sitting (taking only quick breaks for food and other necessities). If anyone else is morbidly curious how painful that might be, maybe we could plan a geekathon. I've got the dvds all ready to go...
 
That is most unfortunate. Little known fact: wifey's dad worked binding books and actually bound the most recent compilation of the Lord of the Rings books (the spiffy one that came out around the 2nd movie or so). Needless to say, I got a free copy. 😉

How many other LotR geeks are out there? I've always wanted to try to watch all 3 extended editions of the movies in one sitting (taking only quick breaks for food and other necessities). If anyone else is morbidly curious how painful that might be, maybe we could plan a geekathon. I've got the dvds all ready to go...

OOOOOOH!!!! ME!!

I've been trying to get people to have an extended edition marathon with me. No one's taken me up on it yet. I've got all the DVDs too, and right now, Aragorn is the February character from my calendar.

The only Tolkien book I have here right now is The Silmarillion. Not his most exciting ever.
 
How many other LotR geeks are out there? I've always wanted to try to watch all 3 extended editions of the movies in one sitting (taking only quick breaks for food and other necessities). If anyone else is morbidly curious how painful that might be, maybe we could plan a geekathon. I've got the dvds all ready to go...

i can't even sit through one of the original theatrical releases in one sitting, let alone any of the extended versions. They're pretty good movies but just too darn long. I can barely sit for more than 90 minutes in a theater without going a bit nuts. I get impatient even for good movies.
 
i can't even sit through one of the original theatrical releases in one sitting, let alone any of the extended versions. They're pretty good movies but just too darn long. I can barely sit for more than 90 minutes in a theater without going a bit nuts. I get impatient even for good movies.

Which specialty did you want to get into again?

No, Splat, stop looking at the pretty flowers. I'm talking to you. No, I don't think the sky is made of blue-flavored cotton candy. Get back here young man, the street is no place for hopscotch.

*Sigh* Here, have some YooHoo and a Ritalin.
 
OOOOOOH!!!! ME!!

I've been trying to get people to have an extended edition marathon with me. No one's taken me up on it yet. I've got all the DVDs too, and right now, Aragorn is the February character from my calendar.

Sounds like they just need a little more persuading. Maybe ninja persuading. Or some good rope.

Oh, and we all know that Legolas is the only character that matters in LotR. 😉
 
Sounds like they just need a little more persuading. Maybe ninja persuading. Or some good rope.

Oh, and we all know that Legolas is the only character that matters in LotR. 😉

I agree. 😀 I actually had my calendar turned to September (Legolas) for a long time, but then I just kept getting confused when I'd look at the date and the number wouldn't match with the day of the week.
 
Hey U guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

whats up! I got acdepted to mcw and another school but I don't really wanna say which one yet. so I have 2 decide soon. can u guys that are already here give me some ideas of things that are awesome at mcw, and maybe to be fair some things that aren't so awesome? if you could that would be awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

thanks!!!!!!!
-BamBoozed
 
Hey U guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

whats up! I got acdepted to mcw and another school but I don't really wanna say which one yet. so I have 2 decide soon. can u guys that are already here give me some ideas of things that are awesome at mcw, and maybe to be fair some things that aren't so awesome? if you could that would be awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

thanks!!!!!!!
-BamBoozed

If you read through the MCW threads, you will find that we are incredibly awesome people.

It is incredibly cold here.
 
Hey U guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

whats up! I got acdepted to mcw and another school but I don't really wanna say which one yet. so I have 2 decide soon. can u guys that are already here give me some ideas of things that are awesome at mcw, and maybe to be fair some things that aren't so awesome? if you could that would be awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

thanks!!!!!!!
-BamBoozed

Good things: the class of 2009 SDN posters, physiology, mp3 lectures, sexy ninja rampages are an almost daily occurence.

Bad things: People don't use the word "awesome" nearly enough. Please pick MCW, you could bring diversity to our student body. 😉
 
Good things: the class of 2009 SDN posters, physiology, mp3 lectures, sexy ninja rampages are an almost daily occurence.

Bad things: People don't use the word "awesome" nearly enough. Please pick MCW, you could bring diversity to our student body. 😉

I forgot about how awesome the MCW piratess is.
 
I am she. The MCW Ninja is in denial about it. 😛

Hmmm, who would I get to be? I guess the MCW Hidalgo, judging by my avatar, but I don't think that suits me very well. You and Prowler have met me and know MCW better than I do. What do you guys think I should be? (And don't say the MCW grandpa, cuz that ain't gonna fly.)
 
I am she. The MCW Ninja is in denial about it. 😛

Take thy beak from out my heart. You drove me down the dark and extremely awesome path that me and my katana, The DragonsBloodBaneTear, are walking now, you know. I distinctly remember asking you if I could be a pirate long ago and you told me to go scrub the deck. Now look what you did. 😡
 
Hmmm, who would I get to be? I guess the MCW Hidalgo, judging by my avatar, but I don't think that suits me very well. You and Prowler have met me and know MCW better than I do. What do you guys think I should be? (And don't say the MCW grandpa, cuz that ain't gonna fly.)

Are you an old fogey, Chulito?!
 
Hmmm, who would I get to be? I guess the MCW Hidalgo, judging by my avatar, but I don't think that suits me very well. You and Prowler have met me and know MCW better than I do. What do you guys think I should be? (And don't say the MCW grandpa, cuz that ain't gonna fly.)

I've been a pirate since college. All of my siblings are. I don't know what you could be.
 
Are you an old fogey, Chulito?!

I could be your father. Well, no, not really. Actually, I guess I could be biologically, but it would be pretty weird. Anyway, I turn 36 this coming Monday. But I'm still damn cool and totally hot.
 
Take thy beak from out my heart. You drove me down the dark and extremely awesome path that me and my katana, The DragonsBloodBaneTear, are walking now, you know. I distinctly remember asking you if I could be a pirate long ago and you told me to go scrub the deck. Now look what you did. 😡

hehe. I remember that. Isn't it more fun to have the ninja v pirate rivalry though?

Ninjas aren't that apparent. Pirates stand out more. I'm always in class, and where are you? You ninja vanish. 😉
 
That's true, I don't. Are you older than 26? Hmmm, I think I was viable at 10 years old.
 
how old are most of you guys? are you all pretty old? that worries me cause i'm 19.

anybody else have good/bad things about mcw?
 
That's true, I don't. Are you older than 26? Hmmm, I think I was viable at 10 years old.

how old are most of you guys? are you all pretty old? that worries me cause i'm 19.

anybody else have good/bad things about mcw?

I'll be 27 this year. Most of the M1 class is my brother's age.

The youngest person in our class turned 21 as an M1. In the current M3 class, there's a girl who turned 20 as an M1.
 
how old are most of you guys? are you all pretty old? that worries me cause i'm 19.

No, Bamboozed, not to worry. Out of about a million interviewees the day that I was there, I was the only one who looked to be older than his or her early twenties. I also met a lot of students at the social and at the Chancery afterwards, and it was the normal mix of people in their early to mid twenties.
 
how old are most of you guys? are you all pretty old? that worries me cause i'm 19.

anybody else have good/bad things about mcw?
average age in our class is 32.



just kidding. youngest girl in our class will be 21 in May. Oldest girl in our class has been posting in this thread. 😉
 
really? wow. I had -teen after my age before I was anywhere near being capable of fathering children.

Well, I could be wrong. I'm not really sure when I started producing viable seedlings. Those times are mired in confusion and uncertainty, not to mention obscured by decades of subsequent history.
 
will the other students get me alcohol if i pay them? I know its probably not cool but i mean i'm not a drunk or anything.
 
will the other students get me alcohol if i pay them? I know its probably not cool but i mean i'm not a drunk or anything.

There are better threads to troll in. Try pre-allo...those folks get bent out of shape over anything.
 
i;m not a troll...i'm sorry i'll behave! promise!

I would like to believe you, so I'm giving you a chance to redeem yourself before dispatching myself on a secretive ninja mission that may or may not end with me attacking you silently from behind armed with nothing but a Ballpark frank (the expensive kind with melted cheese in the middle).

For the trust of the MCW student body, I ask you two questions that anyone accepted to MCW should know.

1). Who is the director of admissions, and is he one of the awesome things about MCW?
2). How much voucher money do they give you for lunch in the cafeteria?
 
Oh, oh, oh, I know the answers, I know, can I say?
 
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