MD in California?

[sumozmom]

ok set me straight....after the first 4 years....can u do res and get lic in California...from any/which of the Carribean schools?. Is it just rotations you cannot do.....in CA?

for some reason I am more confused on this issue now....

 

[Meatwad]

If your school is on this list, you can practice/get licensed in Cali. SGU/Ross/SABA/AUC as of now. That's it.

http://www.medbd.ca.gov/Applicant_Schools_Recognized.htm

 

[oldpro]

As far as the Caribbean schools we talk about the Big 4 SGU, AUC, ROSS and Saba and thats it

The other schools in Poland or Hungary make sure the English programs are approved for Cali, some are but not all.

 

[sumozmom]

As far as the Caribbean schools we talk about the Big 4 SGU, AUC, ROSS and Saba and thats it

The other schools in Poland or Hungary make sure the English programs are approved for Cali, some are but not all.

so there is nothing we can do to work in cali if we did not go to those approved schools?
NOTHING?

ANYTHING>>>>?

 

[PathOne]

so there is nothing we can do to work in cali if we did not go to those approved schools?
NOTHING?

ANYTHING>>>>?

Nope. Under current regulations, you will NEVER be able to work as a physician in California, unless you work for the Federal gov't, if your school is not on the approved list. Same applies to New Mexico, which uses the California list. There's no waivers or hidden back doors. It's just not possible. Also, if you are at an unapproved school, and later transfer to an approved school, you have to redo EVERYTHING. Otherwise, no licensure in Calif.
Also note, that Texas is very particular about which school you graduate from. If you're from anything less than the most established Carib schools they can and will deny licensure (this, however, is on a case-by-case basis).

While you may say that you have no desire to work in any of these states, you never know if things change. And in my mind, the inability to gain licensure in the two largest US states is quite a big issue (or should be).

 

[sumozmom]

🙁

 

[billydoc]

🙁

Sumozmom, if Cali is really important to you, then I don't see a reason to go in the not approved, or outright disapproved school. Aren't you glad you know this info before you comit, in essence, your life to it? There are many, many schools, and not only in the Caribbean. Besides, you just never know what and when other States may decide. There are some States that adopt that so-called "California list", and there may be more to come. We can agree or disagree with this on this forum, but it will hardly affect the fact that you'll still have to pay back those loans. I hope that ppl will not be adversly affected in the future.....but it's like NY Lotto sloagan "Hey! You never know!"

On the side note......... That's why when I see people posting here something "Oh, I got in U.S D.O school, but I really want M.D after my name, b/c it's sexier and ppl will know I'm a real doctor" 🙄 ..... You know I'm really tempted to smack them so they can snap out of this stupid premed BS. If you want to practice in U.S, and got in U.S. school but chose a "sexier" degree from some ****hole....I think ppl will know that one is a real schmuck, before the "real doctor". Being an IMG does not guarantee you anything in U.S. Yes, many ppl went that route, and many are successful now, but it's a BIG mistake to think that somebody owes you something in U.S. And please don't flame me, i'm not anti-IMG, I was on that road myself, and I may have to continue on it again. But for G-d sakes, folks, go in it with your eyes WIDE OPEN. It'll do you a lot of good down the road.
Anyway, just one man's opinion.

 

[PathOne]

Well, obviously people have the freedom to persue whatever road works best for them. A lot of qualified applicants can't get into US allo schools, and some can't or don't want to get into DO schools. Personally, I wouldn't want to go to a third world island and attend a school which has no attached hospitals, often can't get their grad licensed in their own country of charter, and conducts virtually zero research. However, this road does indeed end up working for quite a few people. Unfortunately, some also end up with nothing but a huge debt, and a diploma which can't really be used for anything. But it's fairly obvious that offshore schools are commercial enterprises. Some do their homework (both literally and figuratively) and make the most of it, others wash out. I am happy that I didn't have to do it, others are happy that they have done it, and still others end up severely regretting it.
So to advise other people to choose DO over offshore MD, or drop medicine altogether, is really not feasible. Everybody have to make their own choice, and live with it...

 

[billydoc]

Well, obviously people have the freedom to persue whatever road works best for them. A lot of qualified applicants can't get into US allo schools, and some can't or don't want to get into DO schools. Personally, I wouldn't want to go to a third world island and attend a school which has no attached hospitals, often can't get their grad licensed in their own country of charter, and conducts virtually zero research. However, this road does indeed end up working for quite a few people. Unfortunately, some also end up with nothing but a huge debt, and a diploma which can't really be used for anything. But it's fairly obvious that offshore schools are commercial enterprises. Some do their homework (both literally and figuratively) and make the most of it, others wash out. I am happy that I didn't have to do it, others are happy that they have done it, and still others end up severely regretting it.
So to advise other people to choose DO over offshore MD, or drop medicine altogether, is really not feasible. Everybody have to make their own choice, and live with it...

I compltely agree with you.

 

[oldpro]

Well, obviously people have the freedom to persue whatever road works best for them. A lot of qualified applicants can't get into US allo schools, and some can't or don't want to get into DO schools. Personally, I wouldn't want to go to a third world island and attend a school which has no attached hospitals, often can't get their grad licensed in their own country of charter, and conducts virtually zero research. However, this road does indeed end up working for quite a few people. Unfortunately, some also end up with nothing but a huge debt, and a diploma which can't really be used for anything. But it's fairly obvious that offshore schools are commercial enterprises. Some do their homework (both literally and figuratively) and make the most of it, others wash out. I am happy that I didn't have to do it, others are happy that they have done it, and still others end up severely regretting it.
So to advise other people to choose DO over offshore MD, or drop medicine altogether, is really not feasible. Everybody have to make their own choice, and live with it...

Not all schools are Money driven what about the Non profit schools?

I have proved over and over again that there are thousands of successful Caribbean grads, just by the numbers alone,

Now you may want to help people as I do, I really just want the truth put out here, I do not trust the schools but I do not trust a poster who posts opinions with mixed with data that looks like facts.

Good Caribbean grads may get a residency when it is all said and done 60 to 65%

Good 40 to 35% DO NOT get To practice........Is it not a good thing that the system works and that maybe some of the less desirable ones do not get the Residency or do we want all the Caribbean MD's to get residencies?

Also grads can practice in the countries of most of the schools, they are chartered by the countries they are in Where do you get such wrong information?
Also research is being and has been conducted by the Big 3 through out the years, again where do you get the wrong information?

I find your postings ignoring the fact not every MD from the Caribbean that passes all 3 tests are qualified, some still may not be and the system takes care of it.

 

[PathOne]

I find your postings ignoring the fact not every MD from the Caribbean that passes all 3 tests are qualified, some still may not be and the system takes care of it.

Not ignoring. Agreeing.

 

[oldpro]

Not ignoring. Agreeing.

Well then I would like you to consider stop posting the Caribbean is "dangerous" I have not found that to be true when going to school here and researching.

The only real people who should worry are the the ones who had below a 2.8 GPA and an MCAT of below 20, these are the real people who will be the 40 or so % who may not make it. these are the ones who struggled in Undergrad and now struggle in Medschool in the Caribbean and still think they will be doctors. Very few of these will, everyday I see "2.6 and MCAT 17 can I get into a school?" Well the answer should be no but it's not. If you posted this I would agree with you, weak students should not be admitted into Medschool.

But for now the schools, all of them including the "Big 4 " do admit them.

Some do well surprisingly and some of the better GPA students like 3.1 and 3.2 do poorer but thats not the many, good students do well.

What the schools do is teach life lessons to some, that they will not be a Doctor unless they straighten up, and a few just do not have the Intelligence .

 

[Jannat]

Does this mean if you go to American University of Antigua you can't get a license in California?

Thanks.

 

[vp826]

Well then I would like you to consider stop posting the Caribbean is "dangerous" I have not found that to be true when going to school here and researching.

The only real people who should worry are the the ones who had below a 2.8 GPA and an MCAT of below 20, these are the real people who will be the 40 or so % who may not make it. these are the ones who struggled in Undergrad and now struggle in Medschool in the Caribbean and still think they will be doctors. Very few of these will, everyday I see "2.6 and MCAT 17 can I get into a school?" Well the answer should be no but it's not. If you posted this I would agree with you, weak students should not be admitted into Medschool.

But for now the schools, all of them including the "Big 4 " do admit them.

Some do well surprisingly and some of the better GPA students like 3.1 and 3.2 do poorer but thats not the many, good students do well.

What the schools do is teach life lessons to some, that they will not be a Doctor unless they straighten up, and a few just do not have the Intelligence .

what would you say are the chances of a european med school grad getting a residency in the US? you said its about 60% for teh carib. but what about europe?

 

[vp826]

also i keep on hearing about the california list of approved schools. the school i am planning on going to is approved on it but do a lot of the other states in the US also follow california's list? how would one find out which states follow them and which dont? i am mostly concerned about the northeast states.

 

[sooku]

"If AUA then no Cali" is true, BUT .. AUA will apply for California recognition and there's an excellent chance that they will get it. Hundreds upon hundreds of med schools in weirder locations are already approved! As long as AUA is a legit school with solid traceable accounts, they will be approved. Of course, that's my opinion and not a guarantee.

The CA Med Board site says if you are a US citizen studying medicine abroad, you do NOT have to be able to practice medicine in the country where you graduate from. It also says that the school has to be recognized when it grats you a degree. So if you enter AUA now and they get recognized by the CA board in the next 4 years, you'll be fine. If they are NOT recognized, you'll just have to practice in a neighboring state (OR, NV, AZ, UT etc.)

 

[sooku]

In theory CA can't reject you outright even if you graduate from a school that's not on their list - as long as the school is not on their disapproved list. They can ask you to undergo additional education and apprenticeship, e.g. making you repeat your residency all over again. So yeah you might get old and grey before your get a licence in CA but you'll still be alive.

 

[DRJJ1]

That may or may not be true. You are only sure if you start after you are chosen to be on the list.

YOU ARE SURE FULL OF ADVICE AND FACTOIDAL TIDBITS,,GO HAVE A BEER NOW

 

[billydoc]

In theory CA can't reject you outright even if you graduate from a school that's not on their list - as long as the school is not on their disapproved list. They can ask you to undergo additional education and apprenticeship, e.g. making you repeat your residency all over again. So yeah you might get old and grey before your get a licence in CA but you'll still be alive.

Pat Park who is an official for CMB, and frequently posts on ValueMD posted many, many times on this topic. Do not kid yourself. If Cali is important to you, and you are planning on attending Carib, or some other pseudo-American school check with CMB first. Even if you took one class of B.Sc at a school that wasn't approved (not neccessarily disapproved) you WILL NOT get licensed there. Cali does not visit true domicile programs of other countries. So if you graduate from thr University of Saddam you should not have any problems, but if you went to a really good but unapproved like
MUA N or St.James, or disapproved like SMU you're pretty much doomed for licensure in Cali. If that's important to you just don't gamble. Go to schools that already have their approval.

 

[sooku]

Pat Park who is an official for CMB, and frequently posts on ValueMD posted many, many times on this topic. Do not kid yourself....

To close this off, AUA just got approved for California. The opinions I posted in 2007 came from my dad who talked to several officials at the CMB, AUA and Manipal (India). It looked like approval would take 3 years, but it took 4.

PS - I decided not to go to AUA. I'm now in 4th yr at a US med school.