MD/MPH

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Opinions aside, I encourage prospective dual degree students to look for job postings that require said dual degree before investing their time. This reminds me of when there was a big push for everyone to go to college "Well, just because..!" And now college grads can't find jobs and are having to get doctorates of carpentry to build tables because everyone else has a doctorate in carpentry too.
 
Every physician I talked to who had an MPH had a difficulty stating what it is exactly that they learned. They did, however, all agree that it opened up more career opportunities for them, specifically in academia.
 
would having an MPH increase your chances of being accepted to doctors without borders or a program of the like?
(forgive me if this is a stupid question,..)
 
Every physician I talked to who had an MPH had a difficulty stating what it is exactly that they learned. They did, however, all agree that it opened up more career opportunities for them, specifically in academia.

What career opportunities exactly? I am legitimately interested.
 
hey all!
so i'm applying to MD programs right now but i have always had a slight interest in MPH programs (more focused towards global health/health policy, not so sure yet...). Usually, I've found that if you do this combined program, it will be 5 years. I mean, Ive been in school for 16, after med school, 20, what's one more , right? 😛
But in all seriousness, any current/past MD/MPH's who can speak about the benefits of doing this dual degree/what kind of doors it opens? It sounds awesome but I don't know if it will be worth the extra money for something that might not be beneficial for me in the future.
Thank you 🙂

I strongly advise you not to apply directly in MD/MPH programs. There's really no reason to. If it's something that interests you you can take that into account in your school list (deliberately choosing schools that offer the dual degree), but once you are a medical student it is super easy to apply into the 1-year MPH programs, and you can make the decision later when the pros and cons will be clearer to you.

I applied straight MD only, openly discussed the possibility of eventually getting a master's in my interviews but explained that right now I wasn't sure what would make the most sense for my eventual career. This was very well received and I eventually chose a school with excellent masters programs available so I know that if I want to, I will be able to get the MPH before graduating. They flat out said that every medical student who wants to is admitted to the MPH program. And if I end up not wanting it, no problem.

You really don't have to decide now. Just apply straight MD.
 
I strongly advise you not to apply directly in MD/MPH programs. There's really no reason to. If it's something that interests you you can take that into account in your school list (deliberately choosing schools that offer the dual degree), but once you are a medical student it is super easy to apply into the 1-year MPH programs, and you can make the decision later when the pros and cons will be clearer to you.

I applied straight MD only, openly discussed the possibility of eventually getting a master's in my interviews but explained that right now I wasn't sure what would make the most sense for my eventual career. This was very well received and I eventually chose a school with excellent masters programs available so I know that if I want to, I will be able to get the MPH before graduating. They flat out said that every medical student who wants to is admitted to the MPH program. And if I end up not wanting it, no problem.

You really don't have to decide now. Just apply straight MD.


I agree. Apply straight MD. Most schools that offer combined programs will tell you about them on interview day, etc. There is plenty of time once you have offers on the table to sort it all out.
 
I'd just like to weigh in on this subject as a current MPH epidemiology student who is applying to medical programs:

First of all, I've decided to pursue both an MPH and MD precisely because my professional ambitions are tied to both public health and clinical medicine. My specific interests (beyond clinical medicine) are in healthcare-associated epidemiology, including antimicrobial resistance, healthcare-associated infections, and how to improve the safety, value, and quality of healthcare from an epidemiologic standpoint. As you can probably imagine, jobs in these fields require background in clinical medicine in addition to public health. For the issue of jobs requiring both an MD and MPH, a cursory glance through job postings by local, state, and federal public health organizations will reveal such jobs as chief medical officers, lead researchers, and international branch leaders that require an MD as well as basic public health knowledge and experience. Obviously if your career aspirations don't align with this type of work then an MPH will be of more limited value professionally.

As to why I've decided to pursue an MPH before med school, I had the opportunity to attend one of the top MPH programs in the country without accruing any significant debt and I felt that I wouldn't get nearly as much out of a one-year condensed program vs. a full two-year program. I've had opportunities to develop professional networks, conduct original research, and work with organizations that I wouldn't have had were I to have decided to apply to med school directly after undergrad. Sure it's a nice boost to my GPA, as the program is geared more towards establishing professional connections and fostering professional development than towards academic rigor, but that's certainly not the primary motivation for seeking the degree (although I recognize that this may not be the case for students who are using the MPH as a stepping stone into med school). That said, it's worth thinking about what you want to do with your medical degree and whether or not an MPH will be a professional asset, but in most cases there's probably not a rush to get the MPH. Much like every other degree out there, what you get from the program is correlated to the amount of effort you put in.

Regardless of your reasons for pursuing an MPH or what you think of public health, it's certainly more than creating checklists and arguing over research findings. It is worth noting that even if you go to medical school and become a physician who never steps foot out of the clinic or hospital ward, you will still have professional encounters with local, state, and federal public health agencies. The individuals at these organizations are your professional colleagues and are often more knowledgable about diseases in their expertise than many practicing physicians.
 
For the issue of jobs requiring both an MD and MPH, a cursory glance through job postings by local, state, and federal public health organizations will reveal such jobs as chief medical officers, lead researchers, and international branch leaders that require an MD as well as basic public health knowledge and experience.

I completely agree. If you have a medical degree you can do public health work at the highest levels without a MPH as long as you have public health... "knowledge and experience."

Here's a job posting for one of the positions you mentioned: chief medical officer.

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Notice the job requires board certification in a medical specialty. There is no requirement whatsoever for formal credentials in public health. Why? Because a medical degree is good enough. Can you gain public health experience while paying $100,000 for a MPH? Yes. Can you gain public health experience without formal training in public health? Yes.

As previously mentioned, there have been surgeon generals without MPH's. However, there have not been surgeon generals without MD's and only MPH's.
 
I'm sorry other posters feel their MPH was a waste. I'm learning a ton in my MPH Epi program and the general consensus of the students, residents, and practicing physicians in my classes and the alumni I've spoken with, seems to be that it's been highly valuable to them. It might be the focus on epidemiology and biostats comes in handy. We also have a pretty strong network, so it's easy to find examples of people leveraging both degrees, especially in my area of interest in global health.

Sometimes I think people who do the 1 year program as part of the joint degree miss out on some of the biggest assets of the MPH because it's so rushed and packed tight. When you do it in a longer fashion you have the opportunity to do field experiences and internships and other activities that expose you to all kinds of different things, different opportunities and uses for the degrees that you might not have time for in 1 year program. Experiences that open your eyes to the much broader impact of public health.

Yeah, there's some kool-aid drinking in certain areas, but epidemiology and biostats focused folks tend not to be like that and be more science based.

I do think it's better to wait to do it later in training. The only reason I'm doing it first is that I'm tied to a house and my employer is kicking in for some of the tuition.

And, yeah, don't do it before to compensate for lower GPA. It can open doors to some interesting ECs though.
 
Notice the job requires board certification in a medical specialty. There is no requirement whatsoever for formal credentials in public health. Why? Because a medical degree is good enough. Can you gain public health experience while paying $100,000 for a MPH? Yes. Can you gain public health experience without formal training in public health? Yes.

I understand that the job requires formal credentials in medicine and not in public health, and I agree that one can absolutely gain basic public health experience without shelling out the 50 or 60k for formal training. However, if this is the sort of career one is interested in then it's important to consider that without the formal training you're asking your employer to provide the training, and few employers are going to be willing to spend the time and effort teaching an unproven candidate how to program statistical packages or lead epidemiological investigations.

To the OP, I would definitely recommend looking into an MPH if you think that it would align with your career aspirations, but it isn't necessarily something that needs to be completed during medical school. Additionally, the CDC offers a very competitive Epidemic Intelligence Service, which is basically a two-year, post-doctoral, on-the-job training in applied epidemiology. EIS officers receive instruction on epidemiology, biostats, and surveillance and are deployed by the CDC to respond to urgent public health problems across the country and globe.
 
do you know if they make you apply to them right now or can you switch into it later?
i already applied to both of those as regular MD so i'm not sure if i would have to contact them to change it now.
also since I'm not even positive that i want to..they seem like pretty rigid programs with little flexibility to explore other options to be involved in at the school
USC's mph application is supposed to be submitted with the MD secondary. I would give them a call. I'd you're not sure about the mph program you could still apply and evaluate your options if accepted.
 
Not on topic but whats everyones opinion about MD/MBA? If money wasnt an issue? If it cost 50k and money was an issue?
 
Not on topic but whats everyones opinion about MD/MBA? If money wasnt an issue? If it cost 50k and money was an issue?

My opinion is the same as MPH. Don't apply to any of the dual degree programs right away, apply straight MD and decide later on when you have more information available to determine if the time and money are worth it.
 
hey all!
so i'm applying to MD programs right now but i have always had a slight interest in MPH programs (more focused towards global health/health policy, not so sure yet...). Usually, I've found that if you do this combined program, it will be 5 years. I mean, Ive been in school for 16, after med school, 20, what's one more , right? 😛
But in all seriousness, any current/past MD/MPH's who can speak about the benefits of doing this dual degree/what kind of doors it opens? It sounds awesome but I don't know if it will be worth the extra money for something that might not be beneficial for me in the future.
Thank you 🙂

I minored in public health and was close to the public health faculty in my undergrad institution. I met with a good number of MD/MPH people and it definitely is worth it if you are willing to put in the extra year. Those physicians took leadership roles in either the city health dept or their affiliated health center. If you are passionate about helping the underserved through advocacy you should go for it. A doc a shadowed also told me to go for it if you see yourself going into policy/advocacy.

Price always matters. If you can't afford it, don't bother. You can still be big in public health without the MPH. In my mind, I feel that you will have more networking opportunities if you get into a public health program than if you went solo.

If you just want this to pad your name with more letters, don't waste your time/money. (sorry, I say this because I know many people who seriously consider doing this. I'm sure you are not one of them.)
 
i guess this might be something ill decide later on when i actually get into med school.
appreciate all responses! its been helpful
 
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