MD/MS Clinical Nutrition

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I tried looking on Google, but didn't have much success...

just looking for a list of joint MD/MS clinical nutrition programs

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yay! someone who's field is nutrition like me! I don't think there are any MD/MS nutrition programs. I know that Penn state and Tufts have MS/PhD programs. I dont want to be a PhD so I am hoping to put my nutrition knowledge to work in the fiield of Gastroenterology. Good luck in your future studies 👍
 
i've been searching for hours....the only DO/MD/MS in Clinical Nutrition degree I can find is at the new york college of osteopathic medicine. it seems like an awesome program and perfect I end up going into prevenive medicine.

i realize i dug up an old thred, so does anybody else know about any MD/MS in clinical nutrition programs??
 
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I don't know of combined ones, but Columbia's MS will only take you a year. I got into it and visited - liked what I saw but I decided to go ahead and start med school. Nutrition is something you can always pick up later as a doctor. No master's required.
 
I don't know of combined ones, but Columbia's MS will only take you a year. I got into it and visited - liked what I saw but I decided to go ahead and start med school. Nutrition is something you can always pick up later as a doctor. No master's required.

people spend their lives studying nutrition. its like another specialty. it shouldn't be something you read in a book and pick up as you go along. If i'm gonna study nutrition, thats going to be my career....just like any other specialty in medicine like orthopedics or radiology or whatever, i'm going to be an expert in that field and know everything i possibly can to provide the best care for my patients. thats not something you "pick up later." you know what i mean?

that being said, i'm not interested in taken another year before med school to get that masters. I'll either do it in a combined DO/MS program, or go through a preventive medicine residency.
 
I'm *getting* an MS in nutrition right now, en route to medical school. Is there some reason to do a joint program? Why not just one then the other?

Are you talking about RD programs?
 
I'm *getting* an MS in nutrition right now, en route to medical school. Is there some reason to do a joint program? Why not just one then the other?

Are you talking about RD programs?

I'd rather begin med school. I'm also not 100% sure I would like to do MS program. I am 100% sure I will be going to med school. Therefore, I'd like to know which schools offer a joint program. It happens that a school i was already applying to (NYCOM) is the only school that I can find that offers this dual degree DO/MS program.

I'm not talking about RD programs.

D.O./Master of Science in Clinical Nutrition (M.S.)
The five-year, dual D.O./M.S. degree provides didactic knowledge at the interface of clinical medicine and nutrition, and develops skills to utilize nutrition in the practice of preventative medicine, wellness and total body care. In the first three years, students study pre-clinical medical science integrated with courses on the molecular and cellular roles of nutrients in maintaining health and preventing disease.
Coursework in physical nutrition assessment, nutrition counseling and nutrition support enhances
student ability to access nutrition resources for patients. Interactive discussions with nutrition faculty and colleagues provide students with an understanding that nutrient status can be altered by the patient's genetic profile, underlying disease processes, concurrent drug and medical therapy and lifestyle. Students complete the didactic component of the D.O./M.S. in three years and two summers. As students enter their clinical years, they have multiple opportunities to develop skill in recognizing nutrient alterations in individual patients and in devising nutrient interventions appropriate to each case. Under faculty guidance, students access nutrition support for patients in acute and chronic conditions, and critically evaluate the plethora of nutrition information available to patients and professionals on the Internet and in the news media. Upon successful completion of the D.O./M.S. program, students are eligible to apply for credentialing as physician nutrition specialists.
 
I am hoping to put my nutrition knowledge to work in the fiield of Gastroenterology.

While there is perhaps some overlap, usually nutrition is very separate from GI. It's a separate consult team -- as ryserr said another specialty altogether. You don't need a masters in nutrition for GI. You generally won't even get more than a lecture or two on nutrition in your whole career to do GI -- just enough to know the various vitamin/mineral deficiencies you will come across on the boards. Because most nutritionists are not physicians, I think it is an area that gets snubbed pretty significantly in med school and training.
GI, by contrast, you will get a lot of in med school. It is an internal medicine specialty that lots of people gravitate to because it is very procedural in nature (lots of scoping) -- possibly the most procedural you can be and not be in a "surgical" field. And as a result it is very lucrative and very competitive. But if you think you are going to get a lot of mileage out of a nutrition background in GI, I think you may find it a very different specialty than what you are contemplating. You will see.
 
A couple of thoughts and clarifications for the group.

An RD program is a clinically based internship leading to an exam (the "R" for registered) and the right to use the term "Dietitian". See www.eatright.org for more information.

An MS in nutrition is often obtained by RDs as it has become important in career advancement and obtaining leadership roles. It is not needed for hospital based practice. An MS program generally has a mix of didactics in nutritional topics with some form of final project/thesis that is highly variable. Some programs are lab research oriented, others are not.

By itself an MS in nutrition is not all that useful, although it can be a springboard to various careers, especially in the corporate world.

Neither an MS nor an RD are needed for a PhD in nutrition, although it is not uncommon for PhD applicants in nutrition to obtain an RD. The PhD in nutrition is entirely a research-based degree as with any other PhD.

With regard to an MS/MD (or MS/DO) or an MS, RD, MD training, these are very uncommon right now, although I know of several folks who went to medical school after completing their RD training. As with any other combination program, the major benefit or reason to obtain multiple degrees is the chance to have set aside time to study the discipline. The amount of cross-over with medical education is variable, but undoubtedly there is a lot one would learn in getting an MS in nutrition that is not part of most medical education programs. Again, med school curriculum programs are so variable in nutrition education that it is hard to generalize.

It would not be necessary to get an MS in nutrition to become a medical specialist in any primary area that focused on nutrition. I am unconvinced it would be all that helpful or necessary, but again this is an individual decision.

As far as the practice of medicine as related to nutrition, I can make some comments specific to pediatrics. I say this so I don't have to say "in pediatrics" for the rest of this post, but I am only referring to pediatrics.

Gastroenterology is combined with hepatology and nutrition as a 3 year training program after pediatric residency. (here is a well-known example http://www.cincinnatichildrens.org/svc/alpha/g/gi/default.htm). Pediatric gastroenterologists do the usual procedures such as endoscopy but also handle a huge amount of nutrition work. They often supervise parenteral nutrition services, they consult on primary nutritional disorders such as cow milk protein allergy and they are very involved in obesity-related disorders. Some other specialties, such as neo and renal may have a large nutrition component but even these often work with the GI, hepatology and nutrition service (remember this is generally ONE service) in complex and long-term management of nutritional issues.

Research into nutrition can be done by any pediatrician or specialist, but the vast majority of pedi nutrition research is done by either neonatologists or pedi GI, hepatology and nutrition trained people. Obesity research is a focus right now, but many areas are covered by these services.

So, to summarize, I personally don't think that doing a combination degree is necessary, but have no particular negatives to say about it. In terms of careers, with regard to pediatrics, one can do general pedi or a subspecialty, but pedi GI, hepatology and nutrition as a single 3 year fellowship and board area is the most common for those interested in nutritional management and research.
 
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Wow, thank you for your great response, oldbear! As I'm especially interested in pediatrics, your post was quite helpful.

I have friends who are getting their RDs in order to practice in a clinical setting -- they are doing a combined internship/master's program. I, myself, opted for the master's program because it has allowed me more flexibility in volunteering, research, course variety etc. You're right -- the master's is an interesting blend of course types.

Anyway, I guess the only thing that I would add is that if you really want an MS and an MD together, IMHO it's probably to your advantage to do the MS first because you'll want to have your clinical training (from the MD) as close to your residency as reasonably possible. The MS in nutrition is a very distinct animal and, as oldbear suggests, it might not have a huge bearing on your future career as a physician.
 
people spend their lives studying nutrition. its like another specialty. it shouldn't be something you read in a book and pick up as you go along. If i'm gonna study nutrition, thats going to be my career....just like any other specialty in medicine like orthopedics or radiology or whatever, i'm going to be an expert in that field and know everything i possibly can to provide the best care for my patients. thats not something you "pick up later." you know what i mean?

that being said, i'm not interested in taken another year before med school to get that masters. I'll either do it in a combined DO/MS program, or go through a preventive medicine residency.

A lot of your education once you're a doctor is done by "picking up books" and taking tests to achieve certifications. These are books aimed at doctors, btw. There's a whole expanse of medical learning that still exists even after your residency. Often, it's called a fellowship.
 
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A lot of your education once you're a doctor is done by "picking up books" and taking tests to achieve certifications. These are books aimed at doctors, btw. There's a whole expanse of medical learning that still exists even after your residency. Often, it's called a fellowship.

yes i understand that. but those certifications and fellowships are all directy related to a specific specialty. its even more knowledge and info on a subject you are already an "expert" at, or at least well on your way to becoming one. It may be even more detail in a topic you've covered during residency, but you wanted to spend more time on it, so you do a fellowship. If an orthopedic surgeon wants to work in sports medicine, does he/she "pick up a book" and read abou it? no, he/she does a 1 year fellowship, gaining as much as knowledge and experience as possible to prepare for a future in sports medicine. Much of that time may be spent "picking up books," but there is so many more invaluable experiences during that fellowship that are necessary in order to be qualified to deliver quality care in sports medicine. IMO opinion that same type of pathway should be taken for someone who plans to have a career centered around preventive medicine/nutrition.
 
I don't know of combined ones, but Columbia's MS will only take you a year. I got into it and visited - liked what I saw but I decided to go ahead and start med school. Nutrition is something you can always pick up later as a doctor. No master's required.

I received a letter from them saying that they opened up a few seats for 2008 entering class. I am tempted to apply. But it would cost 37K if I get in and I live in CA. Is it worth it for a MS in nutrition? I never considered a masters but it seems like such a great opportunity and something nice to fill up my gap year. I see that SDN's consensus is that grad work isn't going to help my med apps too much. Still the case? If I don't get into medical school, how else can a MS in nutrition help?
 
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