MD option for Military OMFS Residencies

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Does anyone have any clue if the military (Army in particular) OMFS programs will ever offer the MD option? I'm interested in the 6yr program but I'd prefer to stay with the Army. I'm probably 2 years from application at this point, but If I can try to sway a PCS to a location more likely to result in me getting into the program of choice, I'd love to give it a shot.

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6-year? not that i've heard. i would bet not any time soon.

is you are interested in a specific OMS location, yes, it would be advantageous for you to already to there, so you can get to know the residents and the program director and mentors.
 
The military use to offer the 6 yr program, but it did not benefit the military to offer it over the 4 yr program. So, a few years back, they graduated the last 6 year classes. Now, only the 4 year option is available. The only possible way of getting the 6 yr option while in the military is if you are accepted into a civilian program and are rejected from the military programs. It is not guaranteed that you will be allowed to do the civilian OMFS program, but if they need OMFS at the time of acceptance it is possible.
 
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Does anyone have any clue if the military (Army in particular) OMFS programs will ever offer the MD option? I'm interested in the 6yr program but I'd prefer to stay with the Army. I'm probably 2 years from application at this point, but If I can try to sway a PCS to a location more likely to result in me getting into the program of choice, I'd love to give it a shot.

Navy DDS is correct. The other thing to ask is - what is the benefit of the 6 yr program? Is it going to open up some additional doors that you wouldn't get by doing the OMFS 4 yr? Will you somehow take out wisdom teeth, or perform other OMFS procedures in a different way? In the military the extra MD will not get you any additional pay or advantages over other OMFS officers. Is the only purpose of the extra 2 yrs to get the extra MD after your name?

Those are some of the questions I would think about when looking at OMFS programs.
 
The value of the MD is in opening additional opportunities in civilian education in the long run or for fellowships in areas such as surgical oncology, plastics, or craniofacial surgery. (Previous threads discuss the issue ad nauseum) While I've always been interested in OS with regard to trauma and orthognathics, recent family events have led me to look at some additional possibilities. My brother in-law was recently diagnosed with esophageal cancer to be treated with halo and potentially radical resection. As for vanity, I'd hope that the people who want the MD to be sexy realize that it will cost them well over half a million dollars in opportunity cost by the most conservative estimate. Furthermore, if a six year program was offered in the military, it would no doubt come with a six year payback effectively prolonging a military career by four years over colleagues in the four year programs. I'd imagine well intentioned people would do a lot of soul searching before taking on that kind of challenge and commitment.
 
The value of the MD is in opening additional opportunities in civilian education in the long run or for fellowships in areas such as surgical oncology, plastics, or craniofacial surgery. (Previous threads discuss the issue ad nauseum) While I've always been interested in OS with regard to trauma and orthognathics, recent family events have led me to look at some additional possibilities. My brother in-law was recently diagnosed with esophageal cancer to be treated with halo and potentially radical resection. As for vanity, I'd hope that the people who want the MD to be sexy realize that it will cost them well over half a million dollars in opportunity cost by the most conservative estimate. Furthermore, if a six year program was offered in the military, it would no doubt come with a six year payback effectively prolonging a military career by four years over colleagues in the four year programs. I'd imagine well intentioned people would do a lot of soul searching before taking on that kind of challenge and commitment.

Army offers a 2 year fellowship for OMFS in a field selected by the applicant. This can involve plastics, TMD, etc...

Putting this out as an FYI ... Not saying this equates to an MD/DMD degree or equivalency.
 
Army offers a 2 year fellowship for OMFS in a field selected by the applicant. This can involve plastics, TMD, etc...

Putting this out as an FYI ... Not saying this equates to an MD/DMD degree or equivalency.

the army doesn't offer them....you can "apply" for an OMS fellowship, but when the army "selects" you for an OMS fellowship, they are merely giving you permission to apply to a civilian program.
 
So, if I want to do a craniofacial fellowship following OMFS residency, what are the chances even if I get miltary approval that I will get accepted into a civilian program without an MD? I am actually excited I am only in a 4 year program, but I am curious if my fellowship options could be limited if I dont have a MD. Is that accurate? Thanks
 
The only reason to get your MD is you really didnt want to be a dentist in the first place. Most people I know want a 6yr program because they want to back door to become ENT or plastics etc....

Most OMFS will tell you there is no difference between a 6yr and a 4 year in oral surgery matters. They equally can take out thirds lol.

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Falcon77 makes a good point here. Most, if not all, 6 year OMS programs, have 4 years of OMS training and 2 years of med school. The old 6-year program in the AF was the same 4 years of OMS training and 2 years of med school.

Some civilian programs are more exodontic based. The military programs are very comprehensive and you will come out with excellent training all around. Don't let the lack of the MD discourage you from applying to military training.
 
Is it possible to get a faster MD after your OMS residency?
I am actually not in Dental School yet, but i plan on going through the Army's scholarship program. Then i want to do a residency in OMS, but would also like to get an MD. I dont think the Army offers that residency though and so i want to know if i can get a "Accelerated" MD through any schools after i do my OMS residency and possibly after serving for the Army.
 
Is it possible to get a faster MD after your OMS residency?
I am actually not in Dental School yet, but i plan on going through the Army's scholarship program. Then i want to do a residency in OMS, but would also like to get an MD. I dont think the Army offers that residency though and so i want to know if i can get a "Accelerated" MD through any schools after i do my OMS residency and possibly after serving for the Army.

The MD option is not possible through the Army or while in the Army.

If that were your end goal you would need to see what options schools offered for individuals already OMFS. The other option would be to join the Army after you do the 6 yr OMFS/MD program.

However, the Army is generally not likely to defer you coming on active duty while you pursue this option, so before you make any attempt to do it you would need to contact Dental Graduate Education to ask.
 
Can someone please address the issue that "bigmgreen68" mentioned.
Can you do craniofacial fellowship after Army OMFS, without an MD???
Also, can you get an MD after you OMFS in an accelerated program???
Thanks,
 
Q: "Also, can you get an MD after you OMFS in an accelerated program???"

A: Most US medical schools will allow a student with a DDS to transfer into a MD program as a 3rd year (start of clinical portion). They can then earn an MD in an 'accelerated' 2-year period. This does not require an OMFS res.
Of course, you'd have to find a medical school with a) a spot and is b) willing to accept you (might have to take MCAT, etc...have to talk to individual medical schools for all the details).
 
Throwing my .02. I actually talked about the 6-year program with personnel of Navy and it seems it all depends on if you are accepted into a 6-year civilian program as Navy no longer offers it. If this occurs, you will most likely be allowed to attend the residency. The following are the email exchanges with Bo Carson OMFS specialty leader.

Hi Mr. Horn,
I hope you are having a good day. I am going to be an first year dental student starting this fall in USC. Beyond dental school, I am interested in continuing my education in OMFS. I know I need to get over 90s on my board scores and be top 20% in my dental class to have a good chance to get into OMFS residency programs. After getting your email, I have taken a few days to write down all the questions I have.

1. In the Navy how likely is it going from dental school directly into a OMFS residency?
2. What types of extra-cirullars would be preferred? (ie, research, volunteer, externships, etc)
4. What are the steps one would take to get into a Navy OMFS residency program?
5. If I were to get into a 7 year MD/OMFS residency program would I have the support of the Navy?
6. Do I have the chance to spend my clerkship close to OMFS?
7. Would Navy offer a salary when attending OMFS or stipend?
8. Does the Navy have a mentorship program for intended OMFS students?

Sincerely
Wilson
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Wilson,

Let me start by saying congratulations on your acceptance to dental school
and for joining the US Navy. I believe you are joining the finest
medical/dental organization that exists in the DOD. As far as OMFS
residency, I will tell you what has historically occurred over the past few
years.
1.) The Navy will accept applications for OMFS training in your third year
of dental school. You will need to keep in contact with your dental
recruiters to ensure you get your application in on time for consideration.
In the past 2 years, we have accepted 8 dental students to begin OMFS
training directly from dental school.
2.) While a resident, the Navy will pay you a base salary, dental bonus, and
housing allowance. (Usually around $4,500/month.) Plus you will have health
insurance and dental insruance for you and your family.
3.) The Navy will allow training for integrated 6 year programs(MD/DMD) for
the OMFS resident.
4.) The payback for training is a year for a year, so for 4 years of dental
school you will owe Navy 4 years of service, and if you are accepted for 6
year residency you will owe an additional 6 years.
5.) To get looked at seriously for consideration for residency, you need to
be in the top 10% of class and minimum of 90 on National Board examinations.
This is an area where some folks fall short, so be competitive in school and
"shoot for the stars."
6.) It always helps to have letters of recommendations form your OMFS staff
while at USC. These evaluations will be important as we rely heavily on what
your mentors say about you. Do as much extracurricular with the staff at
USC, to include externships, rotations at the hospital, etc.It helps to be
involved in research, etc. Getting a published paper or two, etc.

Keep in touch and we will look forward to seeing your application in the
near future.

Very respectfully,

Bo Carson CDR, DC, USN
Oral and Maxillofacial Surgery Specialty Leader
Naval Medical Center Portsmouth
757-953-0401
 
Can someone please address the issue that "bigmgreen68" mentioned.
Can you do craniofacial fellowship after Army OMFS, without an MD???
Also, can you get an MD after you OMFS in an accelerated program???
Thanks,

Army does not offer the MD option. Unless specifically arranged with Graduate Dental Education (GDE) in advance - you will not be allowed to pursue training in a civilian program for specialty training - thus there is no "work around" for the MD option in the Army.

The fellowship that Army OMFS are allowed to apply for can be in a variety of different OMFS interests/fields. My understanding (verify with GDE when you are OMFS) is that you will apply for and get accepted to the OMFS fellowship - and they pay for it. So if the program you want to apply for allows people without an MD in (Craniofacial) - then you can.
 
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