Does anone know what the starting salary is for a Canadian doctor? Also whats the maximum you can earn as I have seen a website that says doctors get $33,000? Is this correct?
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kumar28 said:yeah,
but your not taking home 90 to 100. The tax system there is about 50% therefore you will "Take home" about 50.
Doc Ivy said:Um.
Yes.
leviathan said:I second that...not 100% on the accuracy of that post....but if anything, it's pretty damn close to 50% of your income.
Still....if you are considering incomes, you have to remember everybody else in Canada is taxed like hell as well, so comparitively it is a comfortable salary.
Blake said:Only comfortable ? Now come on, most doctors are very well paid...
leviathan said:Yes, comfortable according to the salaries posted in this thread of about 90-110,000/year...and I would consider that a comfortable salary.
Retinamark said:Sure, I agree it's comfortable, but I don't think it's fair that after 15 yrs of study & countless sacrifices, doctors should earn only $100 000. There are plenty of people who do 3 yr business / commerce / marketing degrees & earn way more than that.
Yea ! Besides, it's only 3 years of education and you don't have to work insane hoursleviathan said:Well then I guess we both know the answer to this problem. If you want to make money, go get a commerce degree.
Blake said:Yea ! Besides, it's only 3 years of education and you don't have to work insane hours
LOL * refuses med school acceptance, and goes to get a commerce degree at his local college*leviathan said:
Trini said:The salary for a Specialist in a Hospital is around $250,000 - 300,000 annually, depends on if you want to be paid by salary or by fee.
The figures I quoted is if you are being paid by salary. I'm in contact with a hospital in NB that are interested in hiring me and this is the salary they offered me.
I don't know how/if the salary is different for Family Doctors.
Trini
Dr.BadVibes said:Starving doctors? Geez, you Americans have NO idea about the Canadian healthcare system...you only hear about biased stories of overcrowding and such and then form an overall opinion. Similar to when CNN showed the picture of people wearing masks in Toronto during the whole SARS thing...Oh my god, everyone in Canada has SARS!!!.....I live in Toronto and never saw one mask......
As far as salaries go, family doctors make incredibly insane amounts of money in Canada. My uncle is a famliy doctor in Toronto and the guy is loaded...he admits he would make more in the States, but says he doesnt want to practice down south for two reasons: (a) he doesnt want the troubles with HMOs (b) he doesnt want to deal with all the malpractice crap that US doctors face......and although, not earning as much as Americans (mostly due to exchange), you must remember that the cost of living in Canada is less than the US.
And whats all this talk bout being taxed so much in Canada? I hear this all the time, but why do Americans seem to forget that they get taxed a hell of a lot as well.....of course it depends on the state, but take California, Mass, or Michigan....their taxes are very high as well.
THe only difference is that US tax dollars go to fund the military.....Canada doesnt have a military, so our tax dollars fund social programs....we just have different priorities....
False. And I don't need stats or something, I personally know FPs in my province who aren't capped at 80k.devildoc2 said:I've never seen so many outright lies posted on a thread in my life.
I dont know what specialists make in Canada, but family practice docs get raped.
Their salaries are CAPPED at $80k canadian dollars per year, which is about $65k US dollars. That number is BEFORE TAXES!
You guys need to research your facts first.
You're full of crap until you post a link to validate these numbers.devildoc2 said:I've never seen so many outright lies posted on a thread in my life.
I dont know what specialists make in Canada, but family practice docs get raped.
Their salaries are CAPPED at $80k canadian dollars per year, which is about $65k US dollars. That number is BEFORE TAXES!
You guys need to research your facts first.
devildoc2 said:I've never seen so many outright lies posted on a thread in my life.
I dont know what specialists make in Canada, but family practice docs get raped.
Their salaries are CAPPED at $80k canadian dollars per year, which is about $65k US dollars. That number is BEFORE TAXES!
You guys need to research your facts first.
leviathan said:Devildoc, what are you on? My mom has many family physician clients who are making 140k/year, some as low as 110. Where are you getting this $80k cap from?
coastal said:http://www.cma.ca/multimedia/staticContent/HTML/N0/l2/MedStudentCentre/Medicine/income.pdf
Here are 2001-2 numbers from the Canadian Medical Association. Capped at 80k? Yeah right.
coastal said:I find the comment "you are not rewarded for being better" (because we're "basically" socialist) interesting. I think rewards can come in a variety of ways: respect from your peers, successful patient outcomes, a feeling of accomplishment and pride in helping people-I would not limit "rewards" to financial considerations. Doctors, on average, make more than any other profession in Canada. Yes, they are encountering more financial difficulties (as in the US), but it is still a very, very well paying job. More importantly, I think, is that it is incredibly rewarding. Would I go through 8 years of university and several more years of residency to make 50,000 (Cdn) a year: probably not, because I'd never be able to pay off my debt. But money is far from the primary motivator in my career choice.
Canada does have socialized medicine and.......we like it. By and large, Canadians believe in the principle of equal access that underlies the Canada Health Act; as a society we think that need and not ability to pay should be the determinant of who gets care. While there are obviously Canadians who do not agree with this, the recent Romanow Report on Canadian health reform, the most comprehensive study of health care delivery in our country's history, bears out the fact that most Canadians stand by the principles of the Canada health act, despite the assertions of a vocal minority with vested interests in privatized care. The whole idea of being "better" and "deserving" to get paid more still exists in Canada, we just water it down. I'm smart, articulate, good at sports blah blah blah.......but I don't think I can take credit for alot of that. I have good genes, I was raised well, in a supportive environment, I didn't want for much that I really needed. I don't think of myself as better most of the time, just luckier-luckier not only for the endowments I have been given, but for a sense of how to use them to my advantage (occasionally....). If it's a matter of luck, then I feel that I have a responsibility to help those who haven't been as lucky. Call it socialism if you like, but I would prefer to call it compassion, a social conscience, and an understanding that not everyone gets the same cards, so, if you have a good hand, you can't just hoard your winnings.
All that said, I respect the differing philosophies that others have-philosophy is, in good part, a reflection of one's life experience and environment. I find that there is quite a difference between the posts on SDN, which is predominantly American, and on the equivalent Canadian site, premed101. No offense intended, but there are alot more posts about money here.
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Nevertheless, 125k/year canadian is 95k USD. With many US graduates paying 200k USD in debt and also skyrocketing malpractice insurance, that type of cap wouldn't work. They are already stretched earning 150k USD.
Most of the FP's I know are making CD$200K in a small city. Yes, they are overworked (they do some OB's) but they are now earning more than their US counterparts.3 years later: 125k/year Canadian (which is low for a Canadian FP physician) is now 130k USD. Soon Canadian doctors will earn more than American doctors! The least well-paid FP doctors just got a 35k raise relative to the Americans.
and although, not earning as much as Americans (mostly due to exchange), you must remember that the cost of living in Canada is less than the US.
Um.
Yes.
yeah,
but your not taking home 90 to 100. The tax system there is about 50% therefore you will "Take home" about 50.
yep. Here's an article.
http://www.cmaj.ca/cgi/content/full...FIRSTINDEX=0&sortspec=date&resourcetype=HWCIT
Stating: " The average gross annual income for a specialist in Quebec is $233 000 — $100 000 less than the national average."
Meaning 333 000$ for the average specialist in Canada.
That means everything except family medicine. This includes internists.
I've never seen so many outright lies posted on a thread in my life.
I dont know what specialists make in Canada, but family practice docs get raped.
Their salaries are CAPPED at $80k canadian dollars per year, which is about $65k US dollars. That number is BEFORE TAXES!
You guys need to research your facts first.
Sure, I agree it's comfortable, but I don't think it's fair that after 15 yrs of study & countless sacrifices, doctors should earn only $100 000. There are plenty of people who do 3 yr business / commerce / marketing degrees & earn way more than that.