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Rice_pride

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hey i'm a rising sophomore pre-MD/PhD, and what i have always wondered was about whether an applicant's acceptance depended on his/her acceptance into the md program first.

put in other way, say i apply to some random school's MSTP but get rejected for a PhD, can i still go to that school for MD only?
 
Rice_pride said:
hey i'm a rising sophomore pre-MD/PhD, and what i have always wondered was about whether an applicant's acceptance depended on his/her acceptance into the md program first.

put in other way, say i apply to some random school's MSTP but get rejected for a PhD, can i still go to that school for MD only?

If you get rejected, you can still be evaluated for just med school, however you need to look at the schools web site because some (vandy for example) require that you request to be considered for MD if you don't get MD/PhD. Others (AECOM) actually have on the secondary a choice of "if you don't get MD/PhD do you want to be considered for a)PhD only or b)MD only. However, remember that if you are applying MD/PhD, the adcom may not bother accepting you since you will probably get an MD/PhD offer somewhere and they don't want to waste a spot on you.
 
thanks a lot. that definitely addressed my question perfectly.
 
there are also some schools like harvard and uCSF that i can think of where the MSTP can't accept you unless the MD gives you the green light.
 
MSTPs don't accept people like you seem to imply... they accept you into a single program, not evaluate you for an MD and a PhD separately and deem you qualified for both.

In short, that means you could be accepted for MD, accepted for PhD, and denied from the MSTP. Not that likely, but possible, considering there might be more spots in both the MD program and your PhD program of interest than in the MD/PhD program.

It seems your question has been answered anyway; just wanted to clear that up.
 
I have encountered 2 different sorts of admissions situations: the MD and PhD both have to accept you before you're considered by the combined program, or the MD/PhD committee is very autonomous and can get you a spot in the MD class if they really want you. I'm pretty sure the latter is the case with the school I'm now attending and some other schools where the committee told me something like "go ahead and take the MD acceptance you'll get soon while we finish making our decision." This is probably the case if you notice that there is no MD-only interview.

So basically, it depends on the school~
 
Rice_pride said:
hey i'm a rising sophomore pre-MD/PhD, and what i have always wondered was about whether an applicant's acceptance depended on his/her acceptance into the md program first.

put in other way, say i apply to some random school's MSTP but get rejected for a PhD, can i still go to that school for MD only?

Please ignore this posting. I'm creating the post so I can find an earlier posting on mine.
 
Tinker said:
Please ignore this posting. I'm creating the post so I can find an earlier posting on mine.

I found the earlier post I was looking for.

The distinction I would like to add to the earlier post is the reference made by an earlier poster about those programs that require the MD program to accept the applicant before he/she can be considered for the MD/PHD program. These program by design do not exclude MD/PHD candidates from the MD only program. They may use a different admission standards for the MD only and MD/PHD only applicants.

From my experience, applying to the PHD/MD program significantly affects the probability of being accepted into a MD only program. I am writing from the perspective of a parent of an MD/PHD student. My son's general qualifications were 35 MCAT, 3.9 GPA, Molecular Biology focus, three years research during undergrad.

He applied to approximately 12 schools, accepted directly in one MD/PHD program, waitlisted at 5 or 6, and rejected directly by the remaining. The acceptance was at one of his top choices so he withdrew from all of the waitlisted schools. I have no idea how the waitlists move.

He was accepted to only one MD only program and waitlisted at 1.

I strongly suspect he would have had much more success being admitted to medical only programs if he hadn’t been involved with the MD/PHD program. With an over supply of qualified candidates, why should a medical school admissions program bother to even deal with the added complexity of admitting a student who has made it clear that medical school only is a second choice. I would certainly select the qualified candidate who is most likely to accept.

Keep in mind that the acceptance process for MD and MD/PHD extends all the way into the summer. After the May 15 date, the ripple affect of candidates changing schools extends for quite some time. Anecdotal information indicates that this can extend into August.

Are you ready to deal with this kind of uncertainty? There are several studies that have been referred to in this forum dealing with the acceptance into MD/PHD programs. I believe the information distills into the simple fact that only 1 MD/PHD applicant out of 4 matriculates into a program.

This is one of the most important processes you may ever participate in. If I were advising my next child, I would STRONGLY suggest that he keep two separate application processes one for MD and another for MD/PHD programs.
 
"However, remember that if you are applying MD/PhD, the adcom may not bother accepting you since you will probably get an MD/PhD offer somewhere and they don't want to waste a spot on you."

Is this true? Do admissions committees consider MD/PhD positions easier to obtain?

I am in the same dilemma. Not many schools actually let you know if you are eligible for both MD and MD/PhD positions. So the consensus is that choose one or the other but not both?
 
Arb said:
"However, remember that if you are applying MD/PhD, the adcom may not bother accepting you since you will probably get an MD/PhD offer somewhere and they don't want to waste a spot on you."

Is this true? Do admissions committees consider MD/PhD positions easier to obtain?

I am in the same dilemma. Not many schools actually let you know if you are eligible for both MD and MD/PhD positions. So the consensus is that choose one or the other but not both?

From what I've heard, statistically the MD/PhD positions are easier to obtain (since there are so few applicants compared to MD only). Some numbers I've heard from an adcom is that about 1/8 of the applicants per school get invited for an interview, and about half of those are accepted. Compare that with percentages for MD only programs and you have a much lower success rate. Just remember that MD/PhD applicants usually have higher numbers and research experience, so by no means is it "easier".

From what I have heard from the MD/PhD students at my university, if you want to do an MD/PhD, don't apply anywhere just MD since even if you are rejected MD/PhD you usually are put back in the running for MD only spots too (read you schools website about this). Also, there are times when you might not get in MD only (due to not being "well rounded" enough or other subjective things) but you can get in MD/PhD, and the MD side will usually only object if there is something they REALLY don't like about you. So, if you are going to bother applying MD/PhD anywhere, you might as well do it everywhere.
 
Doh! I wish I knew this before submitting my applications. I guess it's probably not possible to ask the schools to also consider me for MD/PhD programs now. I have a good mixture of each.
 
This might just be at my school, but the admissions committee here is very concerned about applicants who are applying for the wrong reasons (ie for free medical school). People who apply to MD only schools or programs are a red flag.

Many people have been accepted who have applied to some MD only programs, but it always causes them to pause and think for a second...
 
I thought schools do not know which schools you have applied...they will only see which schools have accepted you.
 
Arb said:
I thought schools do not know which schools you have applied...they will only see which schools have accepted you.

Even then, if Harvard knows you got accepted MD/PhD at Emory, and they (for some reason) were an MD only choice for you, then they would be much less likely to accept you for MD only. Plus, from what I've heard on the forums it appears that some schools want you to send in your AMCAS, and the speculation is that this will let them see who you are applying to.

Also, on a side note about those who want med school free.....thats stupid to do. But, if you were that type of person, or if you realize that the PhD just isn't for you when you've been in lab for a year, if you go to an NIH funded program (MST Program) you can drop from the program and won't have to pay back to MS1+MS2 tuition wavers. You will just have to pay for the clinical years
 
I can't believe UC Davis sent me a secondary application (I'm an international applicant). To be considered for admission to the M.D./Ph.D. program at UC Davis, students must meet the admission requirements of both the M.D. and the Ph.D. programs. Applicants apply for admission to the program concurrent with the application to medical school.

I don't think I am a strong enough candidate for the MD only program. My undergraduate record is not as good as my graduate record. Will applying for the joint program help me pass the MD evaluation?
 
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