MD's and dentists

[Aaronpsr]

Ah..."be yourself".....now THAT is good advice!! I'm glad someone said it!

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[BigRedPingpong]

Originally posted by Brocnizer2007
Because we work better hours and make more $$$

True, true. I know a dentsit/ doctor couple. THe dentist makes about double the doc's income. However, I should mention that the doc is still a fellow, but when she is done with her plastic surgery fellowship next year, she is going make more than triple the dentists' income while working 9-5 in a plush beverly hills group practice. THose nasty doctors.

 

[azcomdiddy]

Just to offer a fair retort to John Dental's post and clear up any misconceptions about DO's, I posted a match list from the 2001 class of Western U/COMP DO school. Again, this isn't addressed to most of you. This is only in retort to JohnDental and his complete ignorance regarding DO's According to Johndental, DO's only work in small towns and in primary care fields. That is as ignorant as suggesting one can't practice general dentistry in a large city because they already have too many dentists on every corner.

WesternU/COMP Match Results 2001

Anesthesiology:

PCOM/Frankford Hospital
Longhorne, PA

Henry Ford Hospital
Detroit, MI

Wilford Hall/USAFMC
Lackland, TX

University of Miami/Jackson Memorial Hospital
Miami, FL

University of Connecticut Medical Center
Connecticut, CT

UC San Francisco Medical Center
San Francisco, CA

UC Irvine Medical Center
Irvine, CA

Yale University Medical Center
New Haven, CT


Family Medicine:

Eastmoreland Hospital
Portland, OR (2)

Loma Linda University Medical Center
Loma Linda, CA

University of Missouri Medical Center
MO

UC Davis Medical Center
Sacramento, CA (2)

KCOM/The Medical Center
Columbus, GA

Long Beach Memorial Medical Center
Long Beach, CA (3)

USC County Hospital
Los Angeles, CA (3)

WesternU/COMP Arrowhead Regional Medical Center
Colton, CA (2)

WesternU/COMP Downey Regional Medical Center
Downey, CA (3) COMB/FP

UC San Francisco/Fresno Medical Center
Fresno, CA

Presbyterian Inter. Hospital
Whittier, CA

Travis Air Force Base/Davis Grant Medical Center
Granite Bay, CA (2)

MU South Carolina
SC

Phoenix Baptist Hospital
Phoenix, CA

MSUCOM/Community Health Center
Coldwater, MI

UNSM/DFCM Washoe Medical Center
Reno, NV

Martin Luther King/Drew Medical Center
Los Angeles, CA

Pacific Hospital-Long Beach
Long Beach, CA (2)

Riverside County Regional Medical Center
Riverside, CA (2)


Glendale Adventist Medical Center
Glendale, CA

Walter Reed Army Medical Center
Washington D.C. Family Medicine & Psychiatry

UCNCMC
Greenley, CO Family Medicine/Rural Medicine


UNECOM Medical Center
Portland, ME

KCOM/Lincoln Health Network
Phoenix, AZ

Methodist Hospital of Sacramento
Sacramento, CA

Camp Pendleton Naval Hospital
Camp Pendleton, CA


Emergency Medicine:

Texas A&M University/Scott and White Medical Center
TX

Medical College of Ohio/St. Vincent?s Mercy Medical Center Toledo, OH

MSUCOM/Ingram Regional Medical Center
East Lansing, MI

Bi-County/Henry Ford Medical Center
Warren, MI

Botsford General Hospital
Farmington Hills, MI (2)

Pennsylvania State University/York Hospital
PA

PCOM/Philadelphia Consortium
Philadelphia, CA


Pacific Hospital-Long Beach
Long Beach, CA

Internal Medicine:

Kaiser Permanente Santa Clara Medical Center
Santa Clara, CA

UCSF/St. Mary?s Medical Center San Francisco, CA

Alameda County Highland General
Oakland, CA (2)

Medical College of Wisconsin Hospital
Milwaukee, CA

Wright State University/Wright-Patterson Medical Center
OH

The Cleveland Clinic Foundation
Cleveland, OH

NYCOM/St. Barnabas Hospital
Bronx, NY COMB/IM

Loma Linda University Medical Center
Loma Linda, CA (3)

Huntington Memorial Hospital
Pasadena, CA

YUSPH/Griffin Hospital
Durby, CT IM/PM/PH

UCLA/Wadsworth Greater Los Angeles Veterans Administration Hospital
Los Angeles, CA

MetroHealth Center
Cleveland, OH

Pacific Hospital-Long Beach
Long Beach, CA


UCLA/St. Mary Medical Center
Long Beach, CA

Wilford Hall USAF Medical Center/Lackland Air Force Base
San Antonio, TX

Johns Hopkins University Hospital
Baltimore, MD

Garden City Hospital
Garden City, MI (2)

UCLA Medical Center
Los Angeles, CA

University of Texas/Houston Medical Center
Houston, TX


Neurology:

Northwestern University/McGaw Medical Center
Chicago, IL

University of Arizona/Tucson Medical Center
Tucson, AZ

St. Louis University Hospital
St. Louis, MO


OB/GYN:

Medical College of Georgia
GA

UC Davis Medical Center
Sacramento, CA

Kaiser Permanente, Sunset
Los Angeles, CA

Cook County Hospital
Chicago, IL


UMDNJ/Robert Wood Johnson Medical Center
NJ

WesternU/COMP Arrowhead Regional Medical Center
Colton, CA


Pathology:

USC County Hospital
Los Angeles, CA


Pediatrics:

Loma Linda University Medical Center
Loma Linda, CA

UC San Francisco/Fresno Valley Children?s Hospital Fresno, CA

USC County Hospital
Los Angeles, CA

University of Nevada Medical Center
Las Vegas, NV

USC/Children?s Hospital of Los Angeles Los Angeles, CA

Cleveland Clinic Children?s Hospital/Cleveland Clinic Foundation Cleveland, OH

UMDNJ/Robert Wood Johnson Medical Center
NJ

Texas A&M University/Driscoll Children?s Hospital TX Pediatrics/Neomatology

Henry Ford Hospital
Warren, MI COMB/Pediatrics

Physical Medicine & Rehabilitation:

UT/SVMC Medical College of Ohio
Toledo, OH (2)


Psychiatry:

Loma Linda University Medical Center
Loma Linda, CA (3)

Tripler Army Medical Center
Honolulu, HI

Martin Luther King/Drew University Medical Center
Los Angeles, CA


Radiology:

Pontiac Osteopathic Hospital
Pontiac, MI

Garden City Hospital
Garden City, NY COMB/Diagnostic Radiology

Mount Sinai Medical Center
Miami, FL Diagnostic

USC County Hospital
Los Angeles, CA Diagnostic

Botsford General Hospital
Farmington Hills, MI Diagnostic

Oklahoma University Medical Center/Children?s Hospital/Veteran?s Hospital Oklahoma City, OK Diagnostic


General Surgery:

University of Colorado Medical Center
Denver, CO General

Tripler Army Medical Center
Honolulu, HI General

Martin Luther King/Drew Medical Center
Los Angeles, CA General

Martin Luther King/Drew Medical Center
Los Angeles, CA Categorical



Traditional Rotating Internship:

WesternU/COMP Arrowhead Regional Medical Center
Colton, CA (9)

MSUCOM Consortium/Henry Ford-Riverside Hospital
Detroit, MI Internship/Family Practice

Midwestern University/CCOM/AZCOM Consortium-Mesa Hospital
Mesa, AZ (2)

WesternU/COMP Downey Regional Medical Center
Downey, CA (3)

Pacific Hospital-Long Beach
Long Beach, CA (3)

Mount Clemens General Hospital
Mount Clemens, MI (2)

Genesys Health Systems
Grand Blanc, MI

Botsford General Hospital
Farmington Hills, MI

UNECOM/Mercy Hospital
Biddeford, Me

 

[azcomdiddy]

Oh nevermind, I checked out JohnDental's past postings. His very first thread was posted in the pre-osteopathic forum in which he criticized DO's. He has several posts criticizing DO's. It looks like he is obsessed with DO's. I apologize to the vast majority of you since he doesn't represent most of the pre-dents in here.

Best of luck with your profession. I love my field and I'm certain that you are passionate about your field as well. That's all that matters. Please inform JohnDental of this. 🙂

 

[johndental]

Well I have nothing against DO's just DO's who think they have to prove they are physicians like you just did. Evidently you didnt read the thread very closely. Your residency list is funny. Talk about defensive. See "I am a real doctor and we learned more in school too!"

And BTW: you wont be practicing in Beverly Hills with a DO degree either. These are the facts. DO's are defensive and never want to admit that they dont have the same oppportunity in the cities but are limited to small towns with foreign trained MD's. Practice that plastic stuff in the middle central missouri but not in any major city. There is still much stigma in the west and east coasts about DO's. Really think you are going to setup in the high income private practice world of say lower manhatten with DO degree? sure. pigs fly.

ALso: as for MCATS, if DO schools converted to MD school their MCATS would rise precipitiously. All those numerous MD rejects would just apply there two and you would be left without a way to call yourself "DR" because these people mostly would never consider what they view as an ILLEGITIMATE profession or they didnt want to work in geographically remote locations or the ghetto. I do consider this virtous that they go there but they go there because they dont have the same opportunity. Medicine needs more small town docs but DO's seem to be forced into this.

And yes, I do believe that DO's are good doctors but I think they are in denial about what practice opportunities they have in the world of lucrative private practice. Dont know any hollywood starletts who frequent beverly hills DO for their plastic surgery ( are there any in upscale west coast communities? not that I know of ) Maybe you can be the first? offer a back massage with that nip and tuck?

DO's have a ton of attitude for a profession that many in the public question and consider an outgrowth of Chiropractic.

Good luck to your Osteopath. If I need a back massage I'll contact you. If I need a physician well....I will seek an MD without what appears to be an genuine INFERIORITY complex endowed also to OSTEOPATHIC "Physicians".

 

[azcomdiddy]

JohnDental

Here is some advice so you don't look so foolish in future threads; research your claims before you post them.

Here is a link of a BEVERLY HILLS plastic surgeon that is a DO
http://www.lookingyourbest.com/surgeons/about/fforouzanpour

Here is a link of a MANHATTAN based plastic surgeon that is a DO

http://www.lookingyourbest.com/surgeons/about/jditredici

Here is a link of a Miami based plastic surgeon that is a DO

http://www.ienhance.com/physician/page3_extreme.asp?DocID=56617

Again, I don't know why you want to depict DO's in such a bad light. Why can't you just be happy with your field. Why the DO hate? I never claimed that we have equal access to all field like MD's. but we aren't barred from them either. And most of us aren't forced onto farms in Iowa like you imply.

 

[treasure_island]

well, i just think that MDs, DOs, JDs, MBAs, DDS/DMDs, and whatever other professions there are, are all valuable parts of society and that putting them into a hierarchy is completely nonsense.

 

[honestpredent]

Originally posted by azcomdiddy
JohnDental

Here is some advice so you don't look so foolish in future threads; research your claims before you post them.

Here is a link of a BEVERLY HILLS plastic surgeon that is a DO
http://www.lookingyourbest.com/surgeons/about/fforouzanpour

Here is a link of a MANHATTAN based plastic surgeon that is a DO

http://www.lookingyourbest.com/surgeons/about/jditredici

Here is a link of a Miami based plastic surgeon that is a DO

http://www.ienhance.com/physician/page3_extreme.asp?DocID=56617

Again, I don't know why you want to depict DO's in such a bad light. Why can't you just be happy with your field. Why the DO hate? I never claimed that we have equal access to all field like MD's. but we aren't barred from them either. And most of us aren't forced onto farms in Iowa like you imply.

Nice response 🙂

 

[hafido]

Gavin, I would love to hear how their use of Dr. degrades a dentists/MD's/DO's/vetrinarians title. It might degrade their own, but how does it transfer over to other professions?

 

[busupshot83]

Originally posted by hafido
Gavin, I would love to hear how their use of Dr. degrades a dentists/MD's/DO's/vetrinarians title. It might degrade their own, but how does it transfer over to other professions?

I don't think CHiropractor's title of "Dr." necessarily degrades Dentists/MDs/DOs... only when they try and act like something they are not, such as a physician.

 

[azcomdiddy]

Originally posted by ItsGavinC
I don't know about them being poor and helpless. Their jobs are respectable and very hard. My take on it is this:

It's EASIER to get into dental school, but it's HARDER to stay in dental school. Meaning, it is a pain in the ass to get into medical school, but once you're in, they typically will do anything and everything they can to hang on to the students. Most schools will even allow students to repeat entire years of classes, or to take year-long leaves to sort things out. Dental schools rarely do this.

But it certainly goes both ways. I know lots of physicians that love their jobs and lots of dentists that hate their jobs. To each his own. Personally, I'm grateful that there are people willing to do all sorts of jobs out there--from a grocery store clerk to a garbage man. We need them all.

I have heard that dental school is more difficult than medical school. And I believe it. I can't imagine having to learn all the basic sciences and then do lab work and prep work on teeth too. I have a lot of respect for dentists.

 

[johndental]

OOh wow me with the Tolken DO practicing in Beverly Hills.

Predicitable response.

I am sure you take a class in it and its part of your training.

In a place as large as NYC. well I digress. I'm sure DO's are real common in those parts but whatever. Given lower Manhatten is one of the most concentrated populations in the world I'm sure there are a few but of the total its miniscule. Completely hollow argument you make. Not that people care but its a fact that what they dont know about limits DO's in their acceptability and opportunity.

I hardly think the average socialite in NYC is going to a DO for their plastic surgery as the norm. You act as if this isnt a legitimate concern. If someone wanted plastic surgery and was trying to choose a medical program I wouldnt choose DO. why would I??? so I could struggle with the legitimacy question? thats why I think the words " I choose DO over MD" is absurd but that is my take and I geuss yours is different like all DO's on this board. Its your profession and not mine and I wish you the greatest success but I dont think of DO's in the same vein as MD's ( not in their training which I'm sure is fine )

If you are intent on specializing in medicine and you feel comfortable with DO then fine. Many people in the public do not where I live. This is why people dont choose DO unless its in their family or they live in the rural midwest or ozarks.

Glad you are happy with your chosen path.

We just disagree. I dont hate DO's. That wasnt fair.

PEACE

 

[mcataz]

Originally posted by johndental
OOh wow me with the Tolken DO practicing in Beverly Hills.

Predicitable response.

I am sure you take a class in it and its part of your training.

In a place as large as NYC. well I digress. I'm sure DO's are real common in those parts but whatever. Given lower Manhatten is one of the most concentrated populations in the world I'm sure there are a few but of the total its miniscule. Completely hollow argument you make. Not that people care but its a fact that what they dont know about limits DO's in their acceptability and opportunity.

I hardly think the average socialite in NYC is going to a DO for their plastic surgery as the norm. You act as if this isnt a legitimate concern. If someone wanted plastic surgery and was trying to choose a medical program I wouldnt choose DO. why would I??? so I could struggle with the legitimacy question? thats why I think the words " I choose DO over MD" is absurd but that is my take and I geuss yours is different like all DO's on this board. Its your profession and not mine and I wish you the greatest success but I dont think of DO's in the same vein as MD's ( not in their training which I'm sure is fine )

If you are intent on specializing in medicine and you feel comfortable with DO then fine. Many people in the public do not where I live. This is why people dont choose DO unless its in their family or they live in the rural midwest or ozarks.

Glad you are happy with your chosen path.

We just disagree. I dont hate DO's. That wasnt fair.

PEACE

Where do you live? I live in Phoenix which is the 5th largest city in the U.S. and one of the nicest and wealthiest cities in the U.S. as well. We have plenty of DO's who are successfull here. Most MD's can't become plastic surgeons who perform procedures on wealthy socialites so what is your point? Does it make them less of a doctor because they can't be Beverly Hills plastic surgeons who perform on Extreme Makeover?

My fiancee is an MD in a prestigious allergy fellowship (she is one of 60 in the entire U.S. to get one) and she is having a difficult time finding positions in California and Arizona. Everyone wants to move here and thus the competition is difficult for anyone. She also works with a few DO's and she has nothing but respect for them.

 

[NewNameForGoogleBot]

Die thread, Die!

Take this DO/MD crap and your pissing match elsewhere. This is still the pre-dental forum.

 

[RaiderNation]

What the freak are these people doing in the pre-dental forum anyway?

 

[azcomdiddy]

JohnDental

So when I provide evidence, it?s suddenly tolken evidence? That's the best you could do. LOL I found those doctors in 30 seconds on the internet. Forgive me, I don?t have the yellow pages for Miami, Manhattan and Beverly Hills on my desk. If I did, I would provide you with more examples. There are 38,539 active (post-training) DO?s in the entire country. Of those 38,539, 13,313 are in non-primary care fields. That is roughly 35% of all DO?s being in non-primary care fields. So much for the idea that we are all primary care docts. 3235 of that total number consists of internists which can apply for subspecialties like cardiology pulmonology, GI etc. You have heard of cardiology right? Furthermore, many DO?s elect to do primary care. It?s not that they are incapable of matching into non-primary care fields.

According to the 2000 census, there were 737, 504 MD allopathic physicians in the United States. Of those 737,504, 238,734 were PRIMARY CARE physicians. That is 32% of all MD?s are primary care doctors. So you are wrong again.

The state with the largest number of DO?s is Pennsylvania at 10.9 %(of all DO?s) followed by Michigan at 9.8%, Florida at 7.3%, Ohio at 6.8%, Callifornia at 6.6% and New York at 6.2%. So I guess we don?t all practice in the Ozarks huh?

And as to why you don?t see a lot of DO?s around, when you number 38,539 compared to roughly 740,000 MD?s, you are obviously going to be difficult to find. But that doesn't mean all 38,539 of us live in Benton, Arkansas. That is 38,539 spread around the entire United States. How the hell can we aggregate in one area; there aren't enough of us to go around!!! I?m surprised someone as intelligent as yourself couldn?t figure this out through sheer common sense.

The difference between you and I is that I?m basing my opinion on facts while you are basing yours on hearsay. I?m an actual DO student. Don?t you think I would know a ?little? more than you about osteopathic medicine and my career opportunities. Like I said, you are just being argumentative for the sake of saving face. But I'm certain you will respond with another unsound argument unsubstantiated by any facts whatsoever. If you are smart, you will realize that you lost this debate a long time ago; everyone else has.

 

[busupshot83]

You guys are right, this is a useless thread. I should have never contributed. Out. 🙄

 

[DaktarSaheb]

Hey man back up
Many DO's are way better than MD's. my second doctor is DO and I like him so much and he is a very very good doctor. Also my uncle is DO and he is Orthopedic Surgeon(one of the harder residency to get in even with MD???) and the year he got into residency he had 4 of his classmates aslso going to surgical speciality. Now my uncle has 15 MD's residents every year work under him during their residency. So please beware of that if you get into some MD residency and your boss will be DO and trust me he will be lot better than you will become at end of 5-7 years of residency so don't brag about that MD"s and DO's aren't in the same vein. Also Ha
I am pre-dental student and I have nothing to do with this MD Vs Do crap but I talked many times with my uncle about this because his son is pre-med and we were talking about this issue. any way in one sentence " I hate all the crap of DO's Vs Md's" and I ahve noticed that MD's are the ones who always start arguing that they are better.
Here is one of my classmate who is pre-med and decent student with decent shot at medical school and he always talks about this DO crap and he hasn't even gotten into medical school yet?? come on ?? He doesn't kow **** about the difference in education of DO vs MD other that thos acceptance stats of them. I hate hose pre-meds who don't know **** and talk about MD better than DO.
Anyway that's all I had to say and I won't even argue about whatever you guys say becasue this is one of those issues where it it just not to argue with many of pre-meds(some med student too).

Originally posted by johndental
OOh wow me with the Tolken DO practicing in Beverly Hills.

Predicitable response.

I am sure you take a class in it and its part of your training.

In a place as large as NYC. well I digress. I'm sure DO's are real common in those parts but whatever. Given lower Manhatten is one of the most concentrated populations in the world I'm sure there are a few but of the total its miniscule. Completely hollow argument you make. Not that people care but its a fact that what they dont know about limits DO's in their acceptability and opportunity.

I hardly think the average socialite in NYC is going to a DO for their plastic surgery as the norm. You act as if this isnt a legitimate concern. If someone wanted plastic surgery and was trying to choose a medical program I wouldnt choose DO. why would I??? so I could struggle with the legitimacy question? thats why I think the words " I choose DO over MD" is absurd but that is my take and I geuss yours is different like all DO's on this board. Its your profession and not mine and I wish you the greatest success but I dont think of DO's in the same vein as MD's ( not in their training which I'm sure is fine )

If you are intent on specializing in medicine and you feel comfortable with DO then fine. Many people in the public do not where I live. This is why people dont choose DO unless its in their family or they live in the rural midwest or ozarks.

Glad you are happy with your chosen path.

We just disagree. I dont hate DO's. That wasnt fair.

PEACE