MDs and DOs: chosen by B.S., PhD, B.A.?????

[JamesonStokes]

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Have you ever considered how you were chosen to enter the realm of MEDICAL STUDENTS? Look at the demographics of the admissions committee. These are the people that consider your fate as physicians. Very few admissions committees are actually run by MDs or DOs (your future coworkers). Yes, they might be admissions coordinators but are usually the only physicians present during the days that your applications are quickly looked over as well as the future of all of your undergraduate coursework. Most admissions committees are made up of everyone but DOs and MDs. Therefore you have 7-8 others, including maybe 1 or 2 MEDICAL STUDENTS that determine who will get to be DOCTORS! These facts I share are not my own but the words of members of various admissions committees. On a good day, committees might have everyone present to make decisions on your application but on most the same reliable 3 or 4 are those people that choose the nations doctors from that school. How ironic? How can people that never spent a day as a medical student determine whether youll be a good one? Dont always blame yourself for your rejection letters. Blame admissions....for they know not what they do. Respond at this site or e-mail at: [email protected]

 

[Henry]

I agree that there should be more medical physician on the admission committee. However, some medical schools have the idea of:
"Doctors are going to cowork with other medical professions and people from other professions may give a different point of view in the selection process." Maybe this is one of the reason that the admission committee are made up by different medical profession.

 

[Arsenic]

Have you ever considered how you were chosen to enter the realm of MEDICAL STUDENTS? Look at the demographics of the admissions committee. These are the people that consider your fate as physicians. Very few admissions committees are actually run by MDs or DOs (your future coworkers). Yes, they might be admissions coordinators but are usually the only physicians present during the days that your applications are quickly looked over as well as the future of all of your undergraduate coursework. Most admissions committees are made up of everyone but DOs and MDs. Therefore you have 7-8 others, including maybe 1 or 2 MEDICAL STUDENTS that determine who will get to be DOCTORS! These facts I share are not my own but the words of members of various admissions committees. On a good day, committees might have everyone present to make decisions on your application but on most the same reliable 3 or 4 are those people that choose the nations doctors from that school. How ironic? How can people that never spent a day as a medical student determine whether youll be a good one? Dont always blame yourself for your rejection letters. Blame admissions....for they know not what they do. Respond at this site or e-mail at: [email protected]

You make a good point but that's just the way it is James, most MDs are just too busy treating patients to take time out to interview students and then present them at committee on a regular basis.

 

[The Good Guy]

Have you ever considered how you were chosen to enter the realm of MEDICAL STUDENTS? Look at the demographics of the admissions committee. These are the people that consider your fate as physicians. Very few admissions committees are actually run by MDs or DOs (your future coworkers). Yes, they might be admissions coordinators but are usually the only physicians present during the days that your applications are quickly looked over as well as the future of all of your undergraduate coursework. Most admissions committees are made up of everyone but DOs and MDs. Therefore you have 7-8 others, including maybe 1 or 2 MEDICAL STUDENTS that determine who will get to be DOCTORS! These facts I share are not my own but the words of members of various admissions committees. On a good day, committees might have everyone present to make decisions on your application but on most the same reliable 3 or 4 are those people that choose the nations doctors from that school. How ironic? How can people that never spent a day as a medical student determine whether youll be a good one? Dont always blame yourself for your rejection letters. Blame admissions....for they know not what they do. Respond at this site or e-mail at: [email protected]

True, and I also bet you that most admissions committees are darn liberal too...I don't think that my conservative ideals would be at all welcolmed.

 

[Arsenic]

True, and I also bet you that most admissions committees are darn liberal too...I don't think that my conservative ideals would be at all welcolmed.

so if you show up to your interview and your PhD interviewer tells you they love the city the school's in because its so "liberal", do you just get up and leave or what?

 

[Haybrant]

True, and I also bet you that most admissions committees are darn liberal too...I don't think that my conservative ideals would be at all welcolmed.

pathetic; and this guy is all about 'united we stand'

 

[The Good Guy]

pathetic; and this guy is all about 'united we stand'

I'm not pathetic: it's attitudes like yours that are pathetic.

Why can't people like you appreciate diversity in viewpoints (e.g., that not all people are liberals)?

Tree-hugging-American-hating hippie liberals dominate college campuses and ADCOMS, and IMHO that sucks fat goose turds 👎

 

[Haybrant]

I'm not pathetic: it's attitudes like yours that are pathetic.

Why can't people like you appreciate diversity in viewpoints (e.g., that not all people are liberals)?

Tree-hugging-American-hating hippie liberals dominate college campuses and ADCOMS, and IMHO that sucks fat goose turds 👎

i do side with your viewpoints and that's also why i think your comments are so pathetic; take that 'united we stand' off your sig if you dont actually believe in it

 

[The Good Guy]

i do side with your viewpoints and that's also why i think your comments are so pathetic; take that 'united we stand' off your sig if you dont actually believe in it

WTF? Why in the hell should I take off my signature? Bug off.

 

[The Good Guy]

so if you show up to your interview and your PhD interviewer tells you they love the city the school's in because its so "liberal", do you just get up and leave or what?

No, I would uncomfortably say, "Nice."

 

[Arsenic]

No, I would uncomfortably say, "Nice."

I think that even if the interviewer were to say they were a staunch communist and supporter of cuba and china, most premeds would nod and say "nice"

 

[DrYo12]

I'm not pathetic: it's attitudes like yours that are pathetic.

Why can't people like you appreciate diversity in viewpoints (e.g., that not all people are liberals)?

Tree-hugging-American-hating hippie liberals dominate college campuses and ADCOMS, and IMHO that sucks fat goose turds 👎

why can't you appreciate that not all people are conservative? you are on some warpath rampage about spreading the word of conservative and shouting so loud that you aren't stopping to realise that not everyone on here is liberal.

 

[Haybrant]

I think that even if the interviewer were to say they were a staunch communist and supporter of cuba and china, most premeds would nod and say "nice"

in the context you use it here, being a supporter of china and cuba is considered negative b.c of their human rights violations and state sponsored torture for political ends; oh wait...

 

[Fantasy Sports]

True, and I also bet you that most admissions committees are darn liberal too...I don't think that my conservative ideals would be at all welcolmed.

Yeah imagine that. The people working for an institution that embodies higher learning, community service, and scientific research (after having chosen that path over the more lucrative private practice one) are liberal.

You conservatives crack me up. Maybe if you weren't so busy trying to get into plastics in NYC (another liberal city... come to think of it, I can't think of a conservative city worth living in. All the good ones are liberal: NYC, Boston, SF, etc) you could be on admissions committees making some choices. I doubt you guys would give that up though.

 

[ntmed]

Most admissions committees are made up of everyone but DOs and MDs.

What alternate reality do you live in? I am a member of my medical school's admissions committee. Several attending physicians, residents, and medical students (like myself) serve on this committee. Of course, our PhD faculty help out as well, as do other administrative personnel. And many PhD faculty and medical students who are not on the committee also help out with interviews. But to suggest that MDs at most medical schools are not involved in the admissions process is just plain wrong.

 

[bigbassinbob]

What alternate reality do you live in? I am a member of my medical school's admissions committee. Several attending physicians, residents, and medical students (like myself) serve on this committee. Of course, our PhD faculty help out as well, as do other administrative personnel. And many PhD faculty and medical students who are not on the committee also help out with interviews. But to suggest that MDs at most medical schools are not involved in the admissions process is just plain wrong.

It's a plain fact that most adcoms are made up of a majority of non-physicians. In all my interviews (and I've been on 14 counting last year and this year - both MD and DO) I have only had 5 or 6 interviewers out of at least 30 who have been either an MD or DO. I side with the original poster in noting that this process is a disturbing phenomenon in that our fate is mostly decided by people who have never treated a patient in their life. Who are they to ask us "Why do you want to become a physician?" when they have never even contemplated this question for themselves? It is true that most doctors are very busy clinicians, but it just doesn't make sense to have such an overwhelming majority of PhD's decide our admissions fates. My father is a PhD, and he doesn't have the slightest clue as to what goes through the mind of an aspiring doctor. I wouldn't want him to decide who will become a doctor and who will not, just like I wouldn't want an MD to decide who will become a software engineer and who will not.

 

[solitude]

I apologize if this is a sensitive topic, but I feel compelled to inform a few of the posters that adcoms are not "dominated" by tree-hugging-American-hating liberals. While it is generally, though certainly not always the case that more education tends to foster a more liberal political outlook, this trend does not seem to hold for physicians - your average physician, even those in academia, will be quite conservative compared to your average English professor, for instance. Consequently, your average admissions committee, consisting of physicians, will have its fair share of conservatives and liberals. I'm sure we all have theories as to why physicians tend to be conservative (money, malpractice suits, etc.), but that is another argument altogether.

 

[logos]

Have you ever considered how you were chosen to enter the realm of MEDICAL STUDENTS? Look at the demographics of the admissions committee. These are the people that consider your fate as physicians. Very few admissions committees are actually run by MDs or DOs (your future coworkers). Yes, they might be admissions coordinators but are usually the only physicians present during the days that your applications are quickly looked over as well as the future of all of your undergraduate coursework. Most admissions committees are made up of everyone but DOs and MDs. Therefore you have 7-8 others, including maybe 1 or 2 MEDICAL STUDENTS that determine who will get to be DOCTORS! These facts I share are not my own but the words of members of various admissions committees. On a good day, committees might have everyone present to make decisions on your application but on most the same reliable 3 or 4 are those people that choose the nations doctors from that school. How ironic? How can people that never spent a day as a medical student determine whether youll be a good one? Dont always blame yourself for your rejection letters. Blame admissions....for they know not what they do. Respond at this site or e-mail at: [email protected]

Yep. Its probably true at most places, and I can understand most docs not wanting to waste their time screwing with admissions committies. I dont see this as a huge problem though, and we cant change it, so theres no sense in worrying about it.

 

[Khenon]

Tree-hugging-American-hating hippie liberals dominate college campuses and ADCOMS, and IMHO that sucks fat goose turds 👎

As a liberal, I actually respected your conservative opinion until you made the above statement. That was completely unnecessary (and totally false, in my case).

To the OP, it does seem a bit disconcerting (sp?) that people with potentially lesser degrees than me (I have an MS) will determine my future in med school. But I do look on the bright side. If my potential classmates don't like me for some reason, then maybe I wouldn't fit in there at all. I think that's one of the reasons they have med students on the adcoms . . . to make sure future students will mesh well with each other.

 

[DrMom]

As a liberal, I actually respected your conservative opinion until you made the above statement. That was completely unnecessary (and totally false, in my case).

The poster you're referring to was a returning troll & has been banned. Don't take anything they posted too seriously.

 

[stinkycheese]

It's a plain fact that most adcoms are made up of a majority of non-physicians. In all my interviews (and I've been on 14 counting last year and this year - both MD and DO) I have only had 5 or 6 interviewers out of at least 30 who have been either an MD or DO.

That's odd. I have been to 9 interviews (all MD schools) and had 16 interviewers. 10 were MD's, 3 were MD/PhD's, 2 were med students, and 1 was a clinical psychologist PhD. All have a good idea of what it takes to be a clinician, and since most of them are docs or med students, they also have a good idea of what kind of person should be admitted to med school. I am surprised to find that others have met with so few physicians on the interview trail.

 

[ntmed]

It's a plain fact that most adcoms are made up of a majority of non-physicians. In all my interviews (and I've been on 14 counting last year and this year - both MD and DO) I have only had 5 or 6 interviewers out of at least 30 who have been either an MD or DO.

I think you're confused by what an admissions committee really is.

The people who interview you are not] members of the admissions committee. These are faculty and students who have volunteered to interview applicants and give a written opion to the admissions committee.

The admissions committee is a separate body, that is made up of attending physicians, residents, medical students, and others. It is this committee that decides who gets accepted.