MDs hating on DOs where I work

[The_Sunny_Doc]

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So? There are DOs at Ucsd, Stanford, Brigham, MGH, NYP, UCLA Ronal Reagan MC, UCSF, and not a single one of those have accepted DOs into their IM, gen surg, surg specialties (ENT, NS, Uro), derm, plastics residencies. Things like pm&r, peds, and gas are attainable but the bias is REAL, it will not change all of a sudden because of the merger.

UPenn/HUP is still going to turn down PCOM applicants despite it's being "top tier" in the DO world.


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Change is slow, but it's happening. My guess is that in 20 years, the bias will be completely eradicated as new PDs take the place of the old ones.

Of course, that doesn't help our generation of physicians, but it's interesting to think about.

In spite of the discrimination, I happy I chose the DO route because OMM is an invaluable tool in a primary care setting.

 

[Camaxtli]

So? There are DOs at Ucsd, Stanford, Brigham, MGH, NYP, UCLA Ronal Reagan MC, UCSF, and not a single one of those have accepted DOs into their IM, gen surg, surg specialties (ENT, NS, Uro), derm, plastics residencies. Things like pm&r, peds, and gas are attainable but the bias is REAL, it will not change all of a sudden because of the merger.

UPenn/HUP is still going to turn down PCOM applicants despite it's being "top tier" in the DO world.


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I actually went back and looked at the match lists and in 2013 someone from PCOM match in IM to HUP (who my doctor was talking about) so it is possible. However, matching into HUP IM is fairly rare it seems but Pennsylvania hospital is fairly common being that we have a program for IM. As I previously mentioned there was also a path match even though there is no program there.

 

[AlteredScale]

I actually went back and looked at the match lists and in 2013 someone from PCOM match in IM to HUP (who my doctor was talking about) so it is possible. However, matching into HUP IM is fairly rare it seems but Pennsylvania hospital is fairly common being that we have a program for IM. As I previously mentioned there was also a path match even though there is no program there.

I understand this. But again, that's one in how many years? There's a significant barrier when compared to MD grads at Temple or Drexel who on a yearly basis match at IM and surg places that DO schools never or rarely match into.

HUP is much different than penn hospital and a single DO match is IMO not enough evidence to say it'll happen. It's not "fairly rare" it's a very very very rare chance.

Path is not that competitive. There are DOs who match to WashU, UCSD for path yearly. The job market out there for path isn't that great.


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[Camaxtli]

I understand this. But again, that's one in how many years? There's a significant barrier when compared to MD grads at Temple or Drexel who on a yearly basis match at IM and surg places that DO schools never or rarely match into.

HUP is much different than penn hospital and a single DO match is IMO not enough evidence to say it'll happen. It's not "fairly rare" it's a very very very rare chance.

Path is not that competitive. There are DOs who match to WashU, UCSD for path yearly. The job market out there for path isn't that great.


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You said Upenn would turn down all applicants from PCOM I was just pointing out that they have taken applicants from PCOM actually. You also didn't specify a specialty of medicine. I understand that certain specialties are more competitive then others. HUP specifically has taken two people in the last 3 years (FM and IM). I understand HUP and Pennsylvania hospital aren't the same (I do go to school in this city), however, they are both part of upenn and you said Upenn/HUP not just HUP. Pennsylvania hospital is still a really good hospital. Oldest hospital in America. I just figured when you said upenn won't take PCOM applicants no matter what I would expand upon that as that isn't completely true. I understand its rare but I don't see the point in a discussion of how rare it is being that we agree on the premise (it's rare).

 

[AlteredScale]

You said Upenn would turn down all applicants from PCOM I was just pointing out that they have taken applicants from PCOM actually. HUP specifically has taken two people in the last 3 years (FM and IM). I understand HUP and Pennsylvania hospital aren't the same (I do go to in the city), however, they are both part of upenn and you said Upenn/HUP not just HUP. Pennsylvania hospital is still a really good hospital. Oldest hospital in America. I just figured when you said upenn won't take PCOM applicants no matter what I would expand upon that as that isn't completely true. I understand its rare but I don't see the point in a discussion of how rare it is being that we agree on the premise (it's rare).

Well I specifically added UPenn/HUP as the premise for my statement. I understand UPenn has a large hospital affiliation and so PCOM students can match at their other sites but I specially meant HUP for IM and surg. I put the UPenn part because a lot of ppl don't know what HUP means.


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[Camaxtli]

Well I specifically added UPenn/HUP as the premise for my statement. I understand UPenn has a large hospital affiliation and so PCOM students can match at their other sites but I specially meant HUP for IM and surg. I put the UPenn part because a lot of ppl don't know what HUP means.


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Oh I thought you were referring to both. I'm sorry if I upset you I just saw that you said "PCOM students can't match at upenn" and I was like wait I know people matched at Upenn! So I thought I would chime in. I didn't mean to offend you or to start an argument. I didn't realize you specifically meant IM and Surg at HUP as I only know 1 person in the last 3 years that did that. But it still happened once. I think it would be better to say HUP very rarely takes PCOM students.

Pennsylvania hospital is still part of Upenn though and very good. It isn't equivalent to UCSF Fresno. If you look at the residents there its mostly MDs from american schools in their FM program.
http://www.uphs.upenn.edu/family-medicine/education/residency/current-residents.html

 

[AlteredScale]

Oh I thought you were referring to both. I'm sorry if I upset you I just saw that you said "PCOM students can't match at upenn" and I was like wait I know people matched at Upenn! So I thought I would chime in. I didn't mean to offend you or to start an argument. I didn't realize you specifically meant IM and Surg at HUP as I only know 1 person in the last 3 years that did that. But it still happened once. I think it would be better to say HUP very rarely takes PCOM students.

Pennsylvania hospital is still part of Upenn though and very good. It isn't equivalent to UCSF Fresno. If you look at the residents there its mostly MDs from american schools in their FM program.
http://www.uphs.upenn.edu/family-medicine/education/residency/current-residents.html

No worries i thinkmit was just miscommunication on both ends! lol

 

[ksmustang]

So? There are DOs at Ucsd, Stanford, Brigham, MGH, NYP, UCLA Ronal Reagan MC, UCSF, and not a single one of those have accepted DOs into their IM, gen surg, surg specialties (ENT, NS, Uro), derm, plastics residencies. Things like pm&r, peds, and gas are attainable but the bias is REAL, it will not change all of a sudden because of the merger.

UPenn/HUP is still going to turn down PCOM applicants despite it's being "top tier" in the DO world.


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4th year from RowanSOM just matched to Pennsylvania Hospital IM... he is DO; not HUP, but certainly UPenn.

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Annnnnd I just read the above conversation, sorry for echoing haha.

 

[cliquesh]

I understand this. But again, that's one in how many years? There's a significant barrier when compared to MD grads at Temple or Drexel who on a yearly basis match at IM and surg places that DO schools never or rarely match into.

HUP is much different than penn hospital and a single DO match is IMO not enough evidence to say it'll happen. It's not "fairly rare" it's a very very very rare chance.

Path is not that competitive. There are DOs who match to WashU, UCSD for path yearly. The job market out there for path isn't that great.


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