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    I hope that this question hasn't been asked here anytime recently (didn't notice it on a quick glance through). I was wondering what opportunities there are for allopaths to learn the manipulation that osteopaths learn. I'm not really looking for anything right now because I'm still in my 2nd year. But I thought it would be interesting and perhaps useful to pick up some extra skills once i'm past my residency.
     

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      Rendar5 said:
      I hope that this question hasn't been asked here anytime recently (didn't notice it on a quick glance through). I was wondering what opportunities there are for allopaths to learn the manipulation that osteopaths learn. I'm not really looking for anything right now because I'm still in my 2nd year. But I thought it would be interesting and perhaps useful to pick up some extra skills once i'm past my residency.


      I've looked into that-talked to a couple of DOs. One of them said that you forget everything you learn about OMM in the first two years of school if you don't practice it-and that you don't always get those opportunities in your residency and rotations. He said the best thing to do is look around for CME on OMM-most areas offer them-they are seminars and work shops typically last a weekend at a time where you learn techniques. He recommended doing this during your residency-and to make sure you practice the techniques you learn (at least practice one techinique a day) before you leave your shift-even if its just practicing on a fellow health professional.

      I think this is how I'm going to do it. I attend CHM and we share classes with COM (osteopathic)-our policy says we can take any class offered at either school-but wouldn't you know it-apprarently that doesn't include OMM-but thats OK, I'll just do it later.

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        Rendar5 said:
        I hope that this question hasn't been asked here anytime recently (didn't notice it on a quick glance through). I was wondering what opportunities there are for allopaths to learn the manipulation that osteopaths learn. I'm not really looking for anything right now because I'm still in my 2nd year. But I thought it would be interesting and perhaps useful to pick up some extra skills once i'm past my residency.

        Havard happens to have a DO instructor on staff to teach CME OMM classes, so they are definitely out there - I just don't know how many. (You can find this info by doing a search on Harvard's website).
         

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          I think there should be a summer intensive course for MD students so that they can participate in the AOA match (if that is the only reason why MD med students can't participate in the AOA match) then there would be good reason to expand AOA opportunities and even entice our counterparts and future colleagues to participate...just my 2 cents
           

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            To answer the orginial question do MD's do OMM? My mom is an MD trained in New Mexico. She decided after I went to DO school and showed her what OMM can do for patients that she wanted to learn it. Michigan offers a week long intensive OMM basics course for non-DO medical personnel. She did the course and no does OMT on every patient in her practice. Her patients love the attention and she can bill for the extra treatment. SO OMM does not have to be exlusively DO but you have to be open to it.
             

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              Rendar5 said:
              I hope that this question hasn't been asked here anytime recently (didn't notice it on a quick glance through). I was wondering what opportunities there are for allopaths to learn the manipulation that osteopaths learn. I'm not really looking for anything right now because I'm still in my 2nd year. But I thought it would be interesting and perhaps useful to pick up some extra skills once i'm past my residency.

              take a look:

              http://www.pcom.edu/Continuing_Education/Calendar_05-06_Georg.html

              I'm sure other DO schools have similiar programs for physicians not acquainted with OMM
               

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                oldManDO2009 said:
                I think there should be a summer intensive course for MD students so that they can participate in the AOA match (if that is the only reason why MD med students can't participate in the AOA match) then there would be good reason to expand AOA opportunities and even entice our counterparts and future colleagues to participate...just my 2 cents


                I think if an MD is willing to take OMM and the COMLEX then they should be allowed to participate in the AOA match. However, it would probably be over the AOA's dead body.
                 
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                  I remember (hope I'm not wrong on this one), according to drusso, that this debate also has some to do with the ACGME residencies simply recruiting the best candidate to fill spots, MD or DO, rather than DOs merely crying at their doorstep for entrance? So it's not simply a "see you can do our residencies, now let us do yours."
                   

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                    DrMom said:
                    Actually, there is serious discussion in the AOA of this option right now.


                    Really?? :eek: I just can't imagine the AOA opening their match to MD students, yet remaining opposed to a combined match. Seriously, tell me what/how you know or direct me where I can read more about it.

                    Thanks in advance.
                     

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                      hyperbaric said:
                      Really?? :eek: I just can't imagine the AOA opening their match to MD students, yet remaining opposed to a combined match. Seriously, tell me what/how you know or direct me where I can read more about it.

                      Thanks in advance.

                      Well they are obviously discussing this too.

                      Just because they are discussing both, it doesn't mean either will happen (especially with the current leadership.)
                       

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                        hyperbaric said:
                        Really?? :eek: I just can't imagine the AOA opening their match to MD students, yet remaining opposed to a combined match. Seriously, tell me what/how you know or direct me where I can read more about it.

                        Thanks in advance.


                        I don't have any documents, per se, but I'm on an AOA committe that has been discussing this option for a couple of years & an osteopathic educators listserv with a similar discussion. There actually are MDs who enquire about DO residencies and since the AOA spots often don't fill this would be a way to solve that problem at least partially. One of the main questions is what kind of OMM requirements to have if we're to have MDs entering DO residencies.
                         

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                          OSUdoc08 said:
                          Well they are obviously discussing this too.

                          Just because they are discussing both, it doesn't mean either will happen (especially with the current leadership.)


                          I am quite aware of the raging debate over a combined match, but I did not realize there was any discussion re: opening the AOA match to MD students. Hence, me asking DrMom for more info.
                           

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                            dr.z said:
                            Docbill, you've been away for a while too. Hope you are doing well.

                            Thanks Z,

                            I have been inslaved in the lab trying to finish my experiments before January. I have a committee meeting first week of Jan and I want to ask to write up my thesis.

                            At the same time, I am writing up my 2nd article and finish the data collection for third.

                            Do you have to have 2 or 3 article at your institution? My PI suggested 3 high impact (Total I.F. = 30+). That is tough!!!! Two maybe.


                            Anyway.. back the thread... Yeah.. they should combine the match and get AMA and AOA = AMO (new name) to run all residencies and close down the crapy ones.
                             

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                              docbill said:

                              Thanks Z,

                              I have been inslaved in the lab trying to finish my experiments before January. I have a committee meeting first week of Jan and I want to ask to write up my thesis.

                              At the same time, I am writing up my 2nd article and finish the data collection for third.

                              Do you have to have 2 or 3 article at your institution? My PI suggested 3 high impact (Total I.F. = 30+). That is tough!!!! Two maybe.

                              That's some hard core requirement but certainly good for your career. We don't have publication requirement in our department anymore. I have one article in review now. One more is ready to be sent out as soon as I finish one more experiment. I'm also writing another one (don't know if it will be published). Even if all 3 got published, I'll never get I.F. 30.

                              I'm actually doing a post doc now in a different lab. This one seems to be much better than the one I used to be in.
                               

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                                Anyone find it strange that DOs go to school to learn OMT which is a major portion of our first and second year education, sporadic through third and fourth year, and then MDs can take a week course to begin charging for this?

                                I'm all for our skills getting recognized and for our colleagues to see the benefits but come on, we can't just sell it out like this!!!

                                If you learn a couple techniques at a course and use only those techniques and they help your patients, great, but call it something other than OMT which we're spending YEARS learning.

                                -J
                                 
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