Med Econ: Facility Fees, The Farce Everyone Pays For...

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"Facility fees pile on at every step, so a knee surgery that would have cost the patient $5,000 through various independent practices now costs $35,000. When you figure that only one third of practicing physicians today are independent, leaving the majority employed, you see how facility fees cost us all billions of dollars a year. For nothing."

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"We now have two-thirds of all doctors owned by the hospital. These physicians are required to keep “leakage” to a bare minimum. This is a hospital term that describes what happens when a patient is sent outside the hospital system. So let’s follow an orthopedic patient through the facility fee machine that is the modern hospital. A 50-something executive is hiking and feels pain in his right knee. That knee swells and he soon begins to hobble. After a week, he’s still limping around, so he goes to see a local family doctor who is part of the local hospital system. The office visit in a private facility across the street would have been $100, but in the hospital, it’s $200. That doctor orders a knee MRI on the hospital-owned MRI, which instead of costing $500 costs $1,500, due to the facility fee. That image shows a meniscus tear, so the patient is sent to a hospital-employed orthopedic surgeon who decides to operate on the tear. The patient is then taken to a hospital-owned surgery center where the facility fee is $6,000. The same surgery performed across the street in a private ambulatory surgery center would have been $1,200."


Medicare wants to cut hospital outpatient facility fees, and that’s good for patients

"Currently, when a patient goes to a doctor who is employed by and works in a hospital-run outpatient clinic, they—and the Medicare program—often will be charged what is technically known as a "facility fee", in addition to the usual charge for the office visit and any diagnostic tests or procedures required to treat them. If the patient received the same services in an independent physician office practice, they are charged only for the medical care they receive during the visit, not the add-on facility fee. In many cases, the "outpatient clinic" had previously been an independent physician practice, until the hospital bought the practice and converted into an outpatient clinic."

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nailed it.....Centeno will now commit suicide with 2 shots to the back of the head like the Clinton witnesses
 
nailed it.....Centeno will now commit suicide with 2 shots to the back of the head like the Clinton witnesses
sure you enjoyed the news yesterday
 
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schadenfreude much? You and porn star loving Bill Maher singing the same tune. Dont count your chickens just yet.

Are you going to say that Cohen's guilty plea and Manafort's conviction all have nothing to do with Russian Collusion but has to do with the "deep state" conspiracy to get rid of trump


ANd by the way Bill Maher is great. I have seen him live in person 5 times. He is a much better entertainer than your boy Hannity
 
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Are you going to say that Cohen's guilty plea and Manafort's conviction all have nothing to do with Russian Collusion but has to do with the "deep state" conspiracy to get rid of trump
Manafort and Cohen are tax cheats. I would like to raid the offices of every lobbyist and political donor in DC just to keep things in perspective but whatever.

But what exactly is the "campaign finance violation" here? It seems like it might be a minor infraction. Aren't you allowed to use money as "hush money"?
 
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Are you going to say that Cohen's guilty plea and Manafort's conviction all have nothing to do with Russian Collusion but has to do with the "deep state" conspiracy to get rid of trump


ANd by the way Bill Maher is great. I have seen him live in person 5 times. He is a much better entertainer than your boy Hannity

i used to love him too....he was funny and always got me all riled up against Bush....now he is just an ass wishing for a recession to get rid of Trump. I dont look up to actors anymore....they just pretend.

Cohen is a sleazebag lawyer who was busted for his own tax evasion and fraudulent business dealings. Now all of a sudden he is the Democrat golden boy cuz he wants to save his ass by saying Trump did something. I love how the liberal media loves porn stars, sleazebag lawyers, illegal immigrants and open borders. Wet panty wednesday for Democrats.
 
Manafort and Cohen are tax cheats. I would like to raid the offices of every lobbyist and political donor in DC just to keep things in perspective but whatever.

But what exactly is the "campaign finance violation" here? It seems like it might be a minor infraction. Aren't you allowed to use money as "hush money"?

its a felony. hush money to influence the outcome of a campaign is an illegal felony to which cohen pleaded guilty. he didnt do this on his own, he was directed by trump and got reimbursed by trump. trump is now an unindicted co-conspirator. he may eventually be indicted for it.

this, in and of itself, is grounds for impeachment. however, the conspiracy/collusion stuff with trump jr and stone with wikileaks etc is more damning and will eventually be his undoing.

the guy is a criminal. plain and simple. you cant create a false equivalence by saying "all politicians are dirty". there is no trump equivalent.

lets just keep count right now of all the trump associates in jail or going to jail: cohen, manafort, gates, pappadopolous, flynn, that dutch lawyer -- definitely. probably: page, stone, maybe: jr, nunes, nunberg, spicer, pence, sessions. im sure im missing some

in watergate, 69 people were indicted, and 48 were found guilty. this is so much bigger and more damning. the only reason trump isnt already out is because of the make-up of congress. as it stands, he is impudent, and essentially already a lame duck, soon to be worse after the mid-terms. everything the man touches turns to sh$t

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Manafort and Cohen are tax cheats. I would like to raid the offices of every lobbyist and political donor in DC just to keep things in perspective but whatever.

But what exactly is the "campaign finance violation" here? It seems like it might be a minor infraction. Aren't you allowed to use money as "hush money"?
um.... no. that's 101 campaign finance law. you cant directly pay someone off to influence an election.

the republicans apparently held a meeting and discussed influencing americans to believe that paying off a prostitute or ex-girlfriend with hush money is not a federal crime. if the purpose was to influence the election, however, it goes from being something that is not a felony to a crime.
 
gotta love the double standard......Hillary and the DNC can pay for a British spy's dossier to influence an election, but we should impeach a president because he supposedly paid 2 women to be quiet to not influence an election. Im no attorney but Alan Dershowitz says it is not a campaign finance violation, which would be punishable by a fine at worst.

Cohen was and is a sleazebag lawyer and he will say anything to keep his ass out of jail. That Trump knew about the meeting was debunked last night by Lanny Davis even though your liberal media already ran with it as fact and got you convinced. Or did you miss that part? The Mueller team is squeezing everyone and anyone to get to Trump and he doesnt want to be a failure. I guess we will have to wait for the smoking gun cuz i still dont see it.

Here's one perspective written by an ex-Clinton advisor.....

Cohen's plea deal is prosecutor's attempt to set up Trump
 
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explain to me how the dossier influenced the election. It was not made public until jan 2017. Also did hillary say anything from the dossier during the campaign to attack Trump. The answer is no. So your "double standard" arguement is completely debunked.

The southern district of NY says its a violation of campaign finance law.

I saw where Lanny Davis said his client was not in Prauge as stated in the Steele Dossier. Show me what he said about trump tower meeting.

Cohen is going to jail. Yes Cohen is a sleezebag lawyer working for an even worse sleazebag Trump
 
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It seems like a technicality to me that could not be proven. Who was the victim of this "crime"?

Cohen should be disbarred and treated like any other tax cheat. Except NOT like Marc Rich...
 
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I'm pretty sure everyone involved in DC politics is corrupt/dirty/lying/tax evader/racist/etc by some standard. Honestly I don't care too much or get worked up by that. I care if what their policies/votes are. On my measure, Trump gets an A+.
 
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gotta love the double standard......Hillary and the DNC can pay for a British spy's dossier to influence an election, but we should impeach a president because he supposedly paid 2 women to be quiet to not influence an election. Im no attorney but Alan Dershowitz says it is not a campaign finance violation, which would be punishable by a fine at worst.

Cohen was and is a sleazebag lawyer and he will say anything to keep his ass out of jail. That Trump knew about the meeting was debunked last night by Lanny Davis even though your liberal media already ran with it as fact and got you convinced. Or did you miss that part? The Mueller team is squeezing everyone and anyone to get to Trump and he doesnt want to be a failure. I guess we will have to wait for the smoking gun cuz i still dont see it.

Here's one perspective written by an ex-Clinton advisor.....

Cohen's plea deal is prosecutor's attempt to set up Trump
You think this is all Cohen has on Trump? LMAO
 
Trump gets an A+ on policy??? what specific "policies/votes" from Trump are you referring to??
 
uh oh prepare to be ostracized and ridiculed....just like Kanye West. #walkaway
 
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Trump gets an A+ on policy??? what specific "policies/votes" from Trump are you referring to??

In no particular order:
1. Major tax break, especially for corporations (which don't really "pay" taxes anyway)
2. Repeal of Obamacare individual mandate
3. Renegotiation of TPP, NAFTA, and a more aggressive foreign trade policy. These are why manufacturing is leaving the US.
4. Increased illegal alien deportation and enforcement of our laws
5. Protected healthcare worker's conscience rights
6. Removed the ACA's birth control requirement for religious institutions
7. Allowed 529 plans to cover K-12 private and religious schools.
7. Reinstated the Mexico City Policy
8. Moved Israel's USA embassy to Jerusalem
9. Cut off funding for the UN Population Fund
10. Appointed conservative judges

Obviously I'm one of those dreaded-evil-rich-white-male-religious-conservative-homeschooling-gun-toting fanatics, so take my view with a big grain of liberal salt if you prefer.
 
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I'm pretty sure everyone involved in DC politics is corrupt/dirty/lying/tax evader/racist/etc by some standard. Honestly I don't care too much or get worked up by that. I care if what their policies/votes are. On my measure, Trump gets an A+.

17 million reasons why paying off a mistress might not be illegal...when are all the Congress persons going to jail? Did u guys know you paid for this, so maybe you are going to jail too?

“As we learned in 2017 about the sexual harassment settlements paid by Congress using a slush fund from taxpayer dollars, the leaders in the House of Representatives of both political parties are implicated by the $17 million in payments over a period of 20 years and at least 268 settlements.”
 
“As we learned in 2017 about the sexual harassment settlements paid by Congress using a slush fund from taxpayer dollars, the leaders in the House of Representatives of both political parties are implicated by the $17 million in payments over a period of 20 years and at least 268 settlements.”
That's a good point. How is settling a case before re-election different than paying off someone?

I think they are trying to make the argument that the Trump campaign failed to disclose the payments. Sounds like a fine to me.
 
Did the trump political campaign fund the non-disclosure settlements that these two porn actors voluntarily agreed to in writing and took money for?
 
I think it's plausible that, because of the campaign, these girls were going to come out and expose the affairs and Trump wanted to protect his family from embarrassment from decades old issues. If that's the case, there was no criminality here at all. It's a question of what's inside Trump's head so good luck with that.

Is there precedent for a case like this?
John Edwards, a 2008 Democratic presidential candidate, was brought to trial over $900,000 that two of his donors allegedly spent to conceal an extramarital affair he had with a campaign worker.

He faced six counts related to hiding payments two donors made to his pregnant mistress, which prosecutors alleged were illegal campaign contributions that Mr. Edwards didn’t report to the FEC. At his 2012 trial, he was acquitted on one count, and the jury deadlocked on the others.

Jurors later said they weren’t convinced that the payments were made because Mr. Edwards was a presidential candidate, or simply because he was trying to hide the affair from his sick wife. The Justice Department decided not to retry Mr. Edwards.

Q&A: The Law Behind Michael Cohen Case
 
Part of the issue is that the trump organization paid Cohen, and trump himself directed Cohen to pay them off, with the intent of suppressing information, and affecting the election results. The timing is damning...

Interestingly and what should really scare trump but is that NY state may go after trump and his organization.

He can’t pardon state verdicts...
 
I think it's plausible that, because of the campaign, these girls were going to come out and expose the affairs and Trump wanted to protect his family from embarrassment from decades old issues. If that's the case, there was no criminality here at all. It's a question of what's inside Trump's head so good luck with that.

Is there precedent for a case like this?
John Edwards, a 2008 Democratic presidential candidate, was brought to trial over $900,000 that two of his donors allegedly spent to conceal an extramarital affair he had with a campaign worker.

He faced six counts related to hiding payments two donors made to his pregnant mistress, which prosecutors alleged were illegal campaign contributions that Mr. Edwards didn’t report to the FEC. At his 2012 trial, he was acquitted on one count, and the jury deadlocked on the others.

Jurors later said they weren’t convinced that the payments were made because Mr. Edwards was a presidential candidate, or simply because he was trying to hide the affair from his sick wife. The Justice Department decided not to retry Mr. Edwards.

Q&A: The Law Behind Michael Cohen Case

Ligament and Hyper, stick to medicine. your understanding of this law is rudimentary.

It is precisely BECAUSE he used his own funds and not the campaign's that this is a problem. if he used the campaign funds and declared it somehow, even vaguely, he would be ok.

How Trump's Statements On The Payments Michael Cohen Arranged Have Changed Over Time


I understand that you will cling to any excuse possible for this "embarrassing wreck of a man" as George Will put it, but dont insult our intelligence here. if you are willing to overlook how supremely awful this man is just because some of his ideas happen to align with yours, at least admit that the guy is a POS. we would have more respect for you that way
 
You guys would defend Trump if it was revealed he F'ucked little boys.....justifying it by saying the ancient Greeks used to do it
 
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It is precisely BECAUSE he used his own funds and not the campaign's that this is a problem. if he used the campaign funds and declared it somehow, even vaguely, he would be ok.
Im not a law expert but I think you are wrong about this. I believe he can legally use his own money to do this without limitation. Show me the law you are referring to.
 
You guys would defend Trump if it was revealed he F'ucked little boys.....justifying it by saying the ancient Greeks used to do it
A lot of people consider him to be an a hole and I'm not really disputing it. I support some of the actions he has taken as president and can overlook some of the legal hopscotch that he's playing.
 
A lot of people consider him to be an a hole and I'm not really disputing it. I support some of the actions he has taken as president and can overlook some of the legal hopscotch that he's playing.

legal hopscotch? multiple felonies are now legal hopscotch. i really cant wait until the conspiracy sh$t hits the fan
 
This article does not answer the question. Instead it cites a huffpost article that is written by a child and is a meandering and contradictory pos. Cut and paste the actual law text and let's discuss.

you really want to dig into the legalese? i assume you want to me to do the legwork because you dont want to. ill take a look, but once i start seeing a lot of these, https://flavorwire.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/punct2.jpg im out
 
not sure...but the irony is great....Cohen skips out on paying taxes for $20M from his taxi business etc and the liberals are falling over each other to put money in his pockets via gofundme and make him their poster boy against Trump
 
I don't think any liberals are painting Cohen in a favorable light.

all these Trump and ex-Trumpsters are dirty, sneaky NYC types (and who knows, some are probably still in cahoots with the mafia). Cohen is one of them.

Trump is the Rat King:
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From the FEC website...

Contribution-
A gift, subscription, loan, advance or deposit of money or anything of value given to influence a federal election; or the payment by any person of compensation for the personal services of another person if those services are rendered without charge to a political committee for any purpose. 11 CFR 100.52(a) and 100.54.

It's bogus, it's why Mueller gave it to NYSD. If you think this is a legit charge and would stand up under scrutiny why wouldn't Mueller prosecute it himself and mark a few extra notches for the media and brain dead liberals?
 
10 "almost cases" don't make a good case.

"To be clear, I don’t mean to imply that a criminal prosecution of President Trump for campaign finance violations would be an easy case—or that it could be done at all. Some of the sharpest legal minds in the nation disagree over whether a sitting President can be prosecuted for any crimes while he remains in office. And even if prosecution were possible, conviction would require proof that Trump knew his actions were forbidden by law and violated the law notwithstanding that knowledge."
 
I heard this story on NPR a few weeks ago about an immigrant, legally coming across the southern border. The anchor was saying that the border crossing is a hostile place because of Border Patrol and ICE. The girl said, "It was really close, I almost got taken away!". She continued, "They stopped and asked me if my powder (benign baby powder or something) was cocaine! If it had actually been cocaine, I would have been in big trouble!" The anchor agreed, "Close call!"

This is like the case against Trump: You've almost got him. You just need the crime. But everything else is all set up...
 
FWIW they also granted immunity to the National Enquirer publisher David Pecker.

He may have impugned himself already. His timing also speaks against his actions.

But I don’t see him getting indicted because Mueller doesn’t seem to think a sitting president can be indicted...



If you choose not to see a crime occurred... well then you are a trump supporter.


Just remember what HE said: “I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot someone and I wouldn’t lose voters”.
 
If you choose not to see a crime occurred... well then you are a trump supporter.
Maybe a minor crime but nothing I care about. If Hillary or Obama did this exact thing, paid someone to keep an affair quiet, I still would not care. Prostitution is also a crime in most states - don't care.

I think Trump's quality of being a disruptor is one-in-a-million in politicians. There will be collateral damage but we have a fleeting opportunity to break up scar tissue in our system.
 
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they will grant immunity(even for non-crimes) to anyone to get dirt on Trump....it's amazing to watch.
 
You grant immunity so that the individual feels comfortable telling the truth. That’s what this is about, from Muellers standpoint. But trump doesn’t like the truth...


And... kind of like not making a big deal about Clinton lying about a blow job?


such republican hypocrisy..
 
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