Med school abroad.

[Brandqn]

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[coralis]

Well, I made this thread in the general International forum, but I figured that it would fit better here.

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=599848

Basically, I was hoping someone may have some information about how an American could come to Ireland or the UK for medical school and residency, eventually becoming a citizen.

What I'd really like to know is what the rules/restrictions/requirements or anything like that would be for my situation.

Any information is appreciated, thanks.

Hey Brandqn, applying to medschool in Ireland or the UK:
Ireland:
- Bachelors degree (for 4 yr programs) or highschool degree (for 6 year programs)
- MCAT-Volunteer experience (clinical and non-clinical)
- Pass the interview (if one is granted)
- $$$$

UK:
- Bachelors degree (for 4 yr programs) or highschool degree (for 6 year programs)
- UKCAT (for some schools) or BMAT (for others) the MCAT does not count.
- Volunteer experience (clinical and non-clinical)
- Pass the interview (if one is granted)
- $$$

Becoming a UK or Irish citizen as an American citizen:
- marry a local girl OR
- work hard (wait ...if you can!!!) and wait a long time OR
- get a citizenship from an eastern european country in the EU or EEA and then have almost full privileges.

Cheers mate!

 

[Renalmedic]

UK:
- Bachelors degree (for 4 yr programs) or highschool degree (for 6 year programs)
- UKCAT (for some schools) or BMAT (for others) the MCAT does not count.
- Volunteer experience (clinical and non-clinical)
- Pass the interview (if one is granted)
- $$$

Two points;
What about five-year degrees?
What $$$s?
😕

 

[coralis]

Two points;
What about five-year degrees?
What $$$s?
😕

Not sure about 5 year degrees, you should check the websites of the schools you want to attend.
$$$ = expensive, the more $ signs the more expensive it is...and keep in mind prices are in EUROS!
Cheers!

 

[Renalmedic]

Not sure about 5 year degrees, you should check the websites of the schools you want to attend.
$$$ = expensive, the more $ signs the more expensive it is...and keep in mind prices are in EUROS!
Cheers!

Prices are in Euros? There was I thinking that the UK still had pound sterling.

And I'm on a five-year course. 😉

 

[coralis]

Prices are in Euros? There was I thinking that the UK still had pound sterling.

And I'm on a five-year course. 😉

Renalmedic....for Ireland medical schools prices are listed in EUROS for international students!!! and I have seen some similar listings for some UK schools!

And also thank you for the amazing frightfulness (with your lovely sarcasm) that the UK has pounds because I thought I was paying in monopoly money when I lived there for 2 years!

Cheers.

 

[GREGFOCKER]

It appears that Renalmedic was simply trying to point out that you forgot about 5 year medical programs, and he/she was inquiring about the $$$$ amount signs - I also didnt know what you meant. The only sarcasm was yours in that reply. I didnt look like any malice was intended, time to relax before interviews🙄

 

[coralis]

It appears that Renalmedic was simply trying to point out that you forgot about 5 year medical programs, and he/she was inquiring about the $$$$ amount signs - I also didnt know what you meant. The only sarcasm was yours in that reply. I didnt look like any malice was intended, time to relax before interviews🙄

I guess you are right GREGFOCKER...I am on the edge, that is true!!! 😱
Maybe I should just start meditating 😛

Sorry if I upset anyone.

 

[tazlmc5]

I found this threaf to be extremly helpful, however does all of the money need to be in excroe at the bank. I know in many of the Americal schools you must have all four years of funding in escroe before you will be accepted to a medical school. or they will offer you a conditional acceptance. What type of scholarships/funding is available for International students looking to practice medicine. What is the deal with the UKCAT, it the test recognined?

 

[Blitz2006]

I found this threaf to be extremly helpful, however does all of the money need to be in excroe at the bank. I know in many of the Americal schools you must have all four years of funding in escroe before you will be accepted to a medical school. or they will offer you a conditional acceptance. What type of scholarships/funding is available for International students looking to practice medicine. What is the deal with the UKCAT, it the test recognined?

I would disagree, UK is pricey, but not that bad.

I am a 2nd year medical student at University of Birmingham (International student). My tuition for the first 2 years is 11 700 pounds ($21 600 Canadian Dollars) and for the last 3 years, clinical years, it is 20 800 pounds.

The first 2 years is actually quite reasonable, as most Canadian schools tuition is around 18K anyways. My 1st year expenses, including accomodation ,books, food, etc, came out to $41 000 Canadian. This is the same amount that my friend at Univ. of Toronto paid for his 1st year in Toronto. So cost of living in England is = to downtown to Toronto (of course, central London cost of living will be higher than a place such as Leeds or Nottingham). But overall its not too bad.

But yes, last 3 years are a bit steep, but again, I have friends in Ireland who are in UCD paying 29 000 euros (like $45 000/year) or 36K euros at RCSI for tuition. And I have friends in hte States such as in Jefferson paying $45K/year JUST for tuition. So compared to those 2 choices (Ireland or U.S, UK is much cheaper)

So if you do the math, going to the UK is like 40K + 40K +60K + 60K + 60K = 260Kish. So yeh, compared to Canadian medical schools (which graduates pay around 160K), it is expensive, but its much cheaper than private American schools or Ireland. At least Ireland is a solid education, there are lots of crap american schools that charge $45K/year for tuition.

And the reason why I vouch for UK is because I did my undergraduate degree at Queens Univ in Kingston, Canada (Life Sciences). The facilities and teaching I believe is far superior in Birmingham than at Queens. Last summer I did a summer research job at Princess Margaret Hospital in Toronto, as well as doing an observership with 2 surgeons at Johns Hopkins. I was able to keep up with the other medical students in both places. Again, a lot of this was possible because the guys I worked for said they liked British students.

So I give all the credit to Birmingham. I just got accepted for 2 observerships at UPenn in Philly this summer. I think the East Coast American hospitals like British graduates.

But yeh, great teaching here, great facilities and its a good course.

Of course, this is just my 2 cents, and I'm only knowledgeable about the Univ. of Birmingham curriculum, not other schools.

Cheers,

 

[pattycanuck]

But yes, last 3 years are a bit steep, but again, I have friends in Ireland who are in UCD paying 29 000 euros (like $45 000/year) or 36K euros at RCSI for tuition. And I have friends in hte States such as in Jefferson paying $45K/year JUST for tuition. So compared to those 2 choices (Ireland or U.S, UK is much cheaper)

I think that UCD and the other Irish schools caught onto the North American "dream" as there was always a trickle of NA students of 2-4 each year until my cohort in 1998 of 10 Americans and 10 Canadians. We paid the equivalent of C$20,000 in my first year and C$30,000 by my final year... and now 29k EUR - which at the average in the past few months of $1.7/1EUR = $49,000 ... and at an increased acceptance of NA students (I believe 40 of which 30 are Canadian) .... that is a lot of cash for UCD ...

Blitz2006 - good to see you on here again. It has been a while and I am glad that Birmingham is treating you well!👍