Med school interview tours and cadaver controversy?

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Apparently, due to some sick comments by a student while interviewing at Pitt, some med schools have opted against showing cadavers to applicants during tours. Simply out of respect for the deceased. Apparently, the applicant made some very inappropriate comments to the Dean of Admissions at Pitt regarding the cadavers. Needless to say, Pitt rejected him on the spot, and I believe also notified his school. Some pre-meds cease to amaze me. Anyone else hear about this?

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On a different note. Does anyone find it kind of funny that during every interview they always take you on a long tour of the hospital? I have yet to see a hospital that looks even remotely different from every other hospital. Not only that, but what the hospital looks like is probably the least relevent thing to the decision regarding where you'll end up. What's even more annoying is that they often take you on these long hospital tours instead of showing you other stuff. I'd much rather see the library and classrooms (where I'm sure I'll be spending tons of time) or the area around town where I'll have to be living.

I just thought I'd add that even though it's pretty much irrelevant to the topic. :) :)

Adam
 
Did they explain what was said at Pitt? What could have been that bad? Just curious.
 
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oh i hope they dont get rid of the cadavers. they were the most salient parts of the tour! the only thing better is watching everyone's face when they open up the bag.

aw im dying to know what this kid said; does anyone have a clue?!
 
Talk about experiences...on one interview, my interviewer gave me and another indivual the grand tour. When we reached the anatomy lab, he apologized for not having any spare gloves/scalpels for us so we could get a quick taste of what anatomy was like. No joke! On another tour elsehwere, the ENTIRE student body in the lab actually booed/cursed us out and were all getting hissy fits because we had been shown the anatomy lab. We were only standing in the doorway!
 
at one of my interviews, i went into the lab and the med students actually took the time to show me the heart, lung, ect. it was cool. i was asking all these questions. i thought it was the best part of the tour.

at another interview, they said out of respect for the cadavers they will not show them to us. i thought that was fine. since if i gave my body to science, i wouldnt want some random ppl looking at me.

md2be06: what was said at pitt? please post. I really would like to know.
 
C U in MD school: I don't know exactly what was said at Pitt, I didn't apply or interview there. It was actually at another interview where I found out about what had happened. This is all second hand info, but apparently when the Dean at Pitt asked one of the interviewers how everything went, he made a derogatory comment regarding two female cadavers shown to him during the tour. Infer what you will. I don't know what he said, but it was enough to get some schools talking, and to change their usual stance of showing cadavers to applicants. I still got to see the anatomy labs, which was all that really mattered to me. The guy was an idiot for saying anything derogatory about a cadaver, but an even bigger idiot for saying it in front of the Dean of Admissions.

On a side note, any idea how long it takes to get accustomed to the smell of formaldehyde?
 
I just interviewed at Pitt. Our tour-guide told us that some sick person actually took a photo of the cadavers during a tour. I don't know when this occurred, and I have no idea if this (or another incident) had any influence at other schools.
 
That must have been recently because our guide didn't say that? Did you have Kristin or someone like that?
 
Originally posted by Nikki:
•That must have been recently because our guide didn't say that? Did you have Kristin or someone like that?•••

No - we had someone else from the admissions office.
 
On a side note, any idea how long it takes to get accustomed to the smell of formaldehyde?[/QB

I think this depends on you ;-) At one school I interviewed at, I stayed with a student and she took me on a personal private tour of everything. We were probably in with her group's cadaver for 45 minutes. I had forgotten about the smell before I left the lab. However, the next day I noticed that my clothes stank. I think it would depend on how long and how often you're in the lab. It shouldn't take too long to get used to it though, I would imagine.

Any people with real knowledge on this?
 
Most people in my class got used to the smell of their cadaver fairly quickly (within the first week). It's not that we don't smell the cadavers anymore, just that the smell doesn't bother us as much. We've found that each cadaver has a particular smell to it, and people get used to the smell of their own cadaver. If I went over to one of the other cadavers in the lab, it would smell a lot worse to me than my own cadaver.

After lab, our bodies just reek of the preserving fluid in the cadavers. Even after we change out of our scrubs back into our normal clothes, we still smell. I found out that you can get some of the smell out of your pores by going jogging right after anatomy, then taking a shower. Otherwise you have to deal with the smell the rest of the day.
 
Originally posted by Rumit:
•On a different note. Does anyone find it kind of funny that during every interview they always take you on a long tour of the hospital? I have yet to see a hospital that looks even remotely different from every other hospital. Not only that, but what the hospital looks like is probably the least relevent thing to the decision regarding where you'll end up. What's even more annoying is that they often take you on these long hospital tours instead of showing you other stuff. I'd much rather see the library and classrooms (where I'm sure I'll be spending tons of time) or the area around town where I'll have to be living.

I just thought I'd add that even though it's pretty much irrelevant to the topic. :) :)

Adam•••

I kind of disagree with the hospital comment, especially since you'll be spending all of your 3rd and 4th years in the hospital. I interviewed at one school where we didn't get a hospital tour, just because it was too out of the way, and in retrospect, that definitely was a negative, in my opinion.

When you go through the hospital, you should be getting some idea of the actual physical conditions of the hospital -- in good shape, run down, etc. -- this will give you some idea of the financial situation of the medical center. Also, take a look at their patient population, and how busy the ER or the clinics seem to be.

As for the formaldehyde question, Hoosierdaddy answered it perfectly -- the majority of students get used to their cadaver's smell very quickly. Also, when you've been in anatomy lab, you don't notice that you or your friends smell of formaldehyde, but everyone else around you definitely notices.

As for the cadavers, at least at Baylor we are allowed to show interviewees the anatomy labs from the doorways, and if there are students in there working on the bodies, we can go all the way into the room. Otherwise, we are not supposed to uncover bodies simply for the purpose of the tour.
 
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I have a friend who is a first year at Pitt and know of the situation as he was in the room when it happened. You can PM me if you'd like to know the story, but I'd rather not post it.

Yes, it is rather rude what the student did and I'm sure that all of us will be glad to know that the Dean of Admissions at Pitt called the applicant's school, AMCAS, and then ALL of the schools to which he applied.
 
Originally posted by Dr. Kermit:
•Yes, it is rather rude what the student did and I'm sure that all of us will be glad to know that the Dean of Admissions at Pitt called the applicant's school, AMCAS, and then ALL of the schools to which he applied.•••

It was that bad???? <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
 
Oh, I wanted to say something else. You get use the to the smell of formaldehyde. All your clothes, books, and room smells like it. Since you are in the lab everyday, there is nothing you can do about it.

I'm currently taking Anatomy now, and I was over it a long time ago. Unfortunately my roomates still aren't. :(
 
Originally posted by Dr. Kermit:

Yes, it is rather rude what the student did and I'm sure that all of us will be glad to know that the Dean of Admissions at Pitt called the applicant's school, AMCAS, and then ALL of the schools to which he applied.•••


I realize that the student obviously said something quite inappropriate. Yet, I thought that ones list of schools was confidential. How was the dean of Pitt able to find out what other school the med student had applied to?
 
regardless of how badly the kid goofed, i really think it out of line for Dean Curtiss at Pitt to call up the other schools. short of raping the body parts of the cadaver, i really dont think the kid's med school prospects that he's been working for his whole adult life should be eliminated for one stupid comment. i mean reject him from YOUR school, that's your perogative, but let the other schools come to their own decision.
 
If you knew what this kid said, I doubt you'd want him enrolled in any med school in the country.
 
Well then I'm kind of interested to know what was said, just for the sake of whether or not it was appropriate for the other schools to be called. Is it really to bad to post on here?

As for the smell, I was told everything smells like it, your notes and backpack even. :(
 
if you know what he said and dont want to post it, would you send it to me as a private message please?
 
thanks to those who sent me the messages. damn. what a freakin ***** that kid was. now i know why you didn't want to post!

-thanks
 
okay, i can't stand the suspense any longer: can someone please PM me what this kid did? :rolleyes:
 
thanks, md2be06. what a *****! that's just plain sick! :eek:
 
Well dang! Now I wanna know? Even though I cancleled my interview at Pitt. :rolleyes: Please PM me the stupid guy's remarks.
 
I have a feeling about 20 more people are going to ask the same question, but I'm dying to know..

So what did he say?? :confused: :)

Someone please send me a PM!
 
Was it that bad? can someone please PM me the message as well.
 
Alright, can somebody PM it it me as well. the suspense is too much
 
I want it too, really bad. could someone PLEASE send me a message??
 
I also want to know -please send me the message
 
me too, me too! Boy, we pre-medders are a sick, sick bunch. Pls PM me!
 
hey, hey, hey... i want a PM. can some PLEASE send what the dork said?

by the way, how do i know when i got a PM? ;)
 
okay PM me too please please please...the suspense is killing me.

as for the smell of formaldehyde, it didn't bother me after being around it a few hours. i should also mention my anatomy class was probably the best diet plan i had ever gone on. i lost 15 lbs after 10 weeks of the class. i always lost my appetite after 2-3 hours in the lab :D
 
Ok, I wasn't going to ask...but since everyone else is....I guess I'll jump on the bandwagon too! Will someone please let me in on the secret idiot story?
 
what the hell...i'm in. someone toss me a line when you get a chance. thanks a million.
 
Too bad there's no way to send multiple PM's with one click of a button.

Since there's not, would someone kindly tell me what it was that this kid said? How bad can it possibly be???
 
i'm curious too after reading this...can someone PM me please...thanks a bunch!
 
I'm the one with a friend at Pitt. Yeah, I hate to start gossip and I have gotten like 30 PMs since I opened my mouth, so now I'm posting the story because my boss is about to fire me for always being on the Internet! The post has some bad words in it... so they might get #*$#*#ed out I'm assuming.

Anyway, from what my MS1 friend at Pitt told me, there was an applicant who was on his (not sure if "he" is male or female) tour of the facilities. He had already been acting cocky and making comments about every little thing at the school. When he came into the anatomy lab, he started going to all of the cadavers and lifting off the sheets saying, "I want to see ***** and *******." (Sorry for the use of words, that is what he said.) The students were completely shocked and then told the admissions office and the Dean.

The Dean then called the applicant's school and told them that they should screen their applicants more thoroughly, called AMCAS, and then all of the schools to which he applied. I'm not sure how he got a hold of the schools, but I know med schools have connections and I guess the applicant's undergrad may have had a list of schools to which he applied.

So, hopefully, he won't be in medical school next year.
 
seriously. talk about extreme lack of maturity, plus a wharped sense of necro. I don't think there's a word to describe just how much of an idiot he is.

Anyway, re: formaldehyde. I don't think it's that bad, until you stick your head in to see some part of the posterior thorax and get a good whiff. The only problem is...while *I* don't think it's too bad, everyone else around me does :) . I'm still in the dorms, so I hang my clothes out the balcony. Needless to say, they never get stolen. The part I don't like though is that it stays on your hands for days and days. They should make some de-formaldehying gloves or something :)
 
Originally posted by leorl:
• The part I don't like though is that it stays on your hands for days and days. They should make some de-formaldehying gloves or something :) •••

Lever 2000 usually does the trick.
 
When I got to my interview at East Carolina, I had to read and SIGN a statement that basically said that I might see cadavers on my tour of the school and that I was not to behave rudely or inappropriately in the event that I did. I found it very odd that they needed my signed word that I wouldn't freak out. Maybe this was related to the Pitt incident. When did the whole pitt thing happen?
 
I first heard of the incident in the beginning of October.
 
I didn't hear about it until a couple of weeks ago.
 
The kid had to be on drugs to say something like that. Immature wouldn't describe his behavior. More like he was sprung-out on dope. Some dope will make people feel like a "god" and thus say or do utterly stupid things thinking they can get away with it.

""The Dean then called the applicant's school and told them that they should screen their applicants more thoroughly, called AMCAS, and then all of the schools to which he applied.""

Maybe Upitt regrets sending interview invites based soley on stats earlier on and he'll take his own advice about screening applicants more fully.

This application year sure will be one to remember for applicants and medical schools.
 
He must not have been serious about Pitt to say something like that. I bet he was just seeing how far he could go . . . didn't know the powers of Dean Curtiss now did he?
 
Thanks for posting that... I was expecting much worse. Anyway, I wonder what got into the kid. Maybe being a pre med with a complete lack of a social life and sex pushed him over the edge? Maybe he saw someone naked for the first time and went beserk? But damn, a cadaver? One sick puppy.
 
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