I think the "stigma" thing is a lie. There was a far greater "stigma" attached to mental illness in decades past and so far as im aware, the suicide problem wasnt this bad.
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More than the stigma, it's something deeper with the system I think.
I feel that medical schools can be pretty good acknowledging and helping students with mental illness. Mine was when things got really bad.
The problem is that, they're not addressing the systemic problems contributing to that mental illness and maybe even that the resources being offered aren't enough.
Too much, I feel we take this approach of throwing pills at the problem and saying we fixed it. If there's higher rates of depression and suicide among medical trainees, then the problem lies in the system they are being trained in. Not just in the trainees.
However, rather than seek out ways to improve our system, I feel like we diagnose more and more students w/ depression, put them on SSRIs and say the problem is now solved...w/o addressing any of the issues that lead to that depression in the first place.
Mental illness is often the result of brain chemistry, AND the outside environment contributing together. As the stigma fades, I think we're getting better at giving students help and addressing the brain chemistry part. But until we improve the environment, the illness will persist.
I realize we signed up for the long hours, the high stress, the workload...and at the end of the day, the training must be rigorous, because we'll be responsible for patient lives and to make tough decisions. However, I can't help but feel some of the problems in this system exist for no benefit, not to the students education, nor to their future patient's well being (many of the things you listed and I agree with). From attendings, down to med students, it's just a constant barrage of evaluations, high stress work environments, scut work, and minimal time to take care of oneself physically and mentally. Surely some of these can be improved upon.
Also, not sure if this is an issue for others, but even though a counseling service at my school exists, I was seen by a psychology grad student and I didn't feel it was adequate. Their hours were difficult to accommodate as well, b/c many of us didn't get out of the hospital till the evenings.
So some of us had to seek private professional help on our own time with our own resources, because what the school provided didn't feel like it was enough or appropriate for addressing more serious mental health issues.
Not sure how other schools are, but I feel like little things like this need to be addressed. It's not enough to say, "hey guys this process is gonna suck, so get counseling next door if you need." We should make it easy for someone to get that help, and encourage them to do so. We also need to make sure it's an appropriate level of help being given. If there are too many barriers to getting that help, a busy overwhelmed student is not gonna go out of their way to get it, especially if they're already depressed and just struggling to get out of bed.
We also need to ask, is there any way we can make this process suck just little bit less? It's gonna suck, and some parts need to be tough, but I don't think all of it has to. Just making the healthcare environment kinder and more supportive can make a big difference.
If anyone is having issues and reading this, please seek help and know that you're not alone. I've had suicidal ideations. In the middle of third year, I even wrote a letter, and had a plan once. I never intended to act on them, but there were days where those suicidal thoughts were comforting to me. It's scary to think looking back. I had never been pushed to thoughts like this until I started med school.
However, I'm so glad I did not act on any of those thoughts. Nearly a year has gone by since I began treatment and things have gotten better. Many hurdles that in the moment seemed so big, aren't as scary anymore. Though life is far from perfect and some days are still a struggle, it has gotten much much better for me and will for you too. So please, no matter how dark it seems, seek help, don't give up fighting and know that even this darkness will pass and good days lay ahead.
Lastly, though it's better, I do feel the stigma still exists. I wanted to write about my experience of overcoming depression and how it shaped me as a physician in my personal statement for residencies. But all my advisers discouraged it and said to leave all mental health issues out, just not to bring it up at all.
Edit. Actually cbrons, your second post summed up everything I wanted to say better then I could say it. Though I believe stigma is def still there, I absolutely think a big contributing factor is just how messed up this healthcare and training system has become.
I agree that there's definitely still stigma out there regarding seeking help for these things, but it is getting better and I, too, am glad to go to supportive school.
One thing I will add is that you are a part of the culture of your medical school and it is within your power to make the situation better for at least a few people just by the way you treat those around you. I know it's a very small thing but during the last few rotations, I've made it a point every Friday and Monday to suggest to the new third years that they go out and do something fun, and then follow up by asking what they did for fun over the weekend. I also make sure to ask people if they have any questions or frustrations and to provide reassurance and validation, especially when they start getting stressed about shelf exams.
Not that I believe any of this alone would prevent a suicide like this, but I try to do my part to make people feel a little more supported when I can.
This is an awesome idea. Def agree. My school holds biweekly small group sessions, where third and fourth years can talk to each other and an attending mentor about anything on their mind or issues bothering them, and we all talk about it. Nothing that is said in the room leaves it and our mentors are separate from the academic/teaching faculty. It's essentially a med student support group, but it's helped me and people seem to like it.