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Hi,

I will be applying to medical school this year, and I did a lot of research online trying to understand the timelines but I'm still a little bit confused. From my research, I learned that
AMCAS application opens May 4th, 2020
First date to submit AMCAS is May 28th, 2020
First application released to medical schools is June 26th, 2020

I was told that applications are rolling admission, and it is best to submit as soon as submissions are opened (in this case as close as May 28th as possible). Then what I don't understand is what it means that applications are released to medical schools June 26th. Then what is the point in submitting May 28th for example when it wont even be submitted until after June 26th (a whole month after)? I don't understand the difference/significance between these two dates.

Thank you so much for your help in advance.
 

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It takes between 0-14 days for your application to be verified if submitted on day 1...that number continues to climb until early July submits. To allow more applications to be ready and not subject to a long wait, med schools don't get them until late June at which point secondaries can begin. If you submit late June, you get verified late July and then can receive secondaries.
 
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With the current national situation, I bet the delay in verification (that is traditionally 0-14 days) will be longer this year. To be on the safe side, I would submit your application on the first day possible (5/28) so that your application will be near the top of the list when they start the verification process.
 
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Hi,

I will be applying to medical school this year, and I did a lot of research online trying to understand the timelines but I'm still a little bit confused. From my research, I learned that
AMCAS application opens May 4th, 2020
First date to submit AMCAS is May 28th, 2020
First application released to medical schools is June 26th, 2020

I was told that applications are rolling admission, and it is best to submit as soon as submissions are opened (in this case as close as May 28th as possible). Then what I don't understand is what it means that applications are released to medical schools June 26th. Then what is the point in submitting May 28th for example when it wont even be submitted until after June 26th (a whole month after)? I don't understand the difference/significance between these two dates.

Thank you so much for your help in advance.
1) You need to have your application verified. You enter the verification queue (“time to verify”) only when both completed primary application and all transcripts have been received.
2) It isnt rolling admissions that matters as much as the finite and rolling number of interview slots. Submitting early doesnt make you a stronger candidate. It simply means "timing" wont have any impact on your chances


********AMCAS 2021 Timeline Summary (post count #004)************
-Applicants should be filling out the AMCAS 2021.
-AMCAS provides dozens of “How to” tutorial and videos, most of which are linked in my signature. Applicants should download the free 2021 AMCAS Applicant Guide when available. It should be considered the study guide on how to fill out AMCAS.
-Applicants should have the MSAR, which should be considered the text book for the application process
-Applying to medical school is a full time job from May until through September and then on call for the rest of the cycle. There is no general rule across schools when they may evaluate and review your application, possibly invite you for an interview, when the interview may be, when a decision may be reached, or when you may get off a WL. For some of you, the cycle will run until August 2021.
-AMCAS May 4, 2020, Primary application opens up. Can send formal requests for transcripts from your schools and letter requests to your letter writers.
-AMCAS May 28, 2020, Completed primary applications with all ECs, PS, and course information can be submitted.
-You enter the verification queue (“time to verify”) only when both completed primary application and all transcripts have been received.
-AMCAS does not, repeat, does not verify LOR or MCAT score. Your primary application will be verified regardless of LOR or MCAT score status
-AMCAS June 26, 2020,(delay due to COVID-19) JULY 10 begins transmission verified applications (though some schools have secondaries sent to contact info upon submission to AMCAS)
-Verification peak is about August 1st and takes 20 days
-Most Primary Apps are transmitted early July thru early September
-Secondaries timelines can vary widely as to when to they are sent out from almost immediately upon submissions to 3 months, though most are in the range 1-3 weeks after transmission.
-Letters via AMCAS are processed/transmitted separately from primary
-Letters can be added after primary has been submitted and transmitted and are mostly not needed until secondary reviews at the earliest.
-While applications are transmitted at end of June, most schools do not start any processing until at least mid-July at the earliest; even then, most dont get up to full speed until mid-August.
-There are usually 3 main phases in processing application
----1) Initial Screening/Evaluation: A hybrid of automatic GPA/MCAT screen plus human for "quick review" of application. Used to for general priority and, in some cases, which team/subcommittee gets application. At some schools, preset criteria or informal policy can lead to II at this stage.
----2) Full Evaluation: This is where evaluator/reader/team/subcommittee will fully evaluate all sections of primary, secondary, and LOR and generally summarize in broad categories or point system. This essentially becomes your priority for adcom review and II. This function may be split up among several evaluators and may go to a team or subcommittee for II decision. Application are not typically evaluated until complete with Primary, Secondary, MCAT, and LOR
----3) Full adcom: this is where your fully evaluated application is reviewed and decided for interview invite After interview Adcom will vote on admission (acceptance or alternate WL)
-Application and candidate evaluations timeline varies widely by school may not done in a linear, chronological order. EDP, High achievers, URM, family of alumni, feeder schools, associated UG programs, linked postbaccs, and other factor may push an app forward in the process.
-Most adcoms dont start meeting for review of evaluated applicants until at least mid-August, more likely September, though some reviews may be done earlier for groups mentioned above. Evaluation may start almost immediately at some schools.
-Schools receive 5,000-10,000 application but can only evaluate several hundred applications a week. Therefore, it can take anywhere from 4-16 weeks (1-4 months) or more to be evaluated, reviewed and invited for interview after your application is complete.
-Schools must reduce several thousand applications to several hundred interviews.
At least 80% of applicants at any individual school must be rejected pre-interview.
-There are about 900,000 individual applications across 150+ medical schools with about 150,000 interview slots maximum. That means on average of 16 submitted applications only 3 will get an II.
-Applicants should check each applicant portal daily until application is marked complete, under review, or similar. After that, you should check applicant portal 2 to 3 times as week as schools may invite you for interview solely by portal; some schools do not send email for interview invite.’
-Medical Schools are deciding on Acceptance. All applicants start as “Unaccepted” or rejected. With 60% of applicants not getting a seat, all applicants must assume that may be reapplicants and start enhancing their record from the moment they submit AMCAS.
-Medical schools have no requirement to inform you of any decision other than an interview invite, an acceptance, or alternate/WL position. Some schools will never send out any rejection or other notice on your application as all start as “rejected”.
-Timing of early, on time or late refers to any impact that “lateness” may have on your chances. Being early or on time does not improve your chances but rather it means that timing will not be a factor in lowering your chances.
-Submitting Primary Application June is Early, July Medium, August Late
-Having Primary verified and transmitted to school by middle of August is normal speed
-Having Secondary and all LORs complete to school by Labor Day is early for all applicants at all schools, even highly competitive programs.
-Late or end of September is about on time for solid candidates at most programs
-End of October is about late for almost all programs
-After that point you will generally start getting impacted by the number of applications submitted and the finite number of essentially rolling interview slots. Seats given by rolling admissions is not a big factor in this. These aren’t absolute dates nor is it a fixed timeline. It should be used as a guideline
-Medical schools focus on evaluation and pre-II review up until approximately Thanksgiving. At that time they need to start transitioning to post-interview acceptance decision. However, with the increasing number of applications per school, some fraction of interview invites will continue into the new year.
-Timing matters to getting your application in. Once you are in and evaluated, timing has little impact on your chances. It is a myth that schools fill all the seats early and then just have alternate slots.
-When you get invited for an interview is a better indicator of your interest of the school rather than when the actual interview is. Stronger candidates typically invited earlier.
-Medical schools cannot inform regular MD candidates of admission (acceptance or alternate) prior to Oct 15th. However, medical school can inform applicants of any other decision, such as rejection or hold, at any time from initial primary submission until past end of cycle. Do note that the only formal vote an admission committee need to make is for admission (acceptance or alternate/WL) and that is the only decision they must inform you about. A large fraction of applicants will never get a formal rejection; they will simply never get II or acceptance.


Getting primary in on time does matter because of all the other items that follow it. But applicants often see the beginning and not understanding how it flows from there. Additionally, how each school then opens a file, reviews them on GPA, MCAT, and other factors, and what order they wind up in a queue has less to do with when the primary arrives then when the secondary is completed and received. Since the majority of schools, I dare say, send out pre-transmission, unscreened, or minimal cut off screened secondaries, this is probably a larger factor in where you wind up in the queue for 1) reading an application and 2) decision on interview invite. As I have said previously, and will undoubtedly say dozens of time during this 2021 application cycle (see count above) review of apps is not simply done in a linear chronological order. High achievers, URM, family of alumni, feeder schools, associated UG programs, linked postbaccs, and other factor may push an app forward in the process.
 
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I just want to make sure I understand this all correctly. So you said it takes 0-14 days to verify, but say, submitting on May 28th, and then having it sent out to schools June 26th is way more than 14 days in between. For the sake of example, does that mean that someone submitting about 2 weeks after May 28th and someone submitting exactly May 28th makes no difference (since schools receive the one who submitted on may 28th about 4 weeks after)? Schools receive both applications at the same time?

Also, the AAMC just posted an update saying they will "open the AMCAS application as planned on May 4, and delay transmitting AMCAS applicant data to medical schools by two weeks. This transmission delay – moving from June 26 to July 10 – will give applicants additional time to complete their applications during this rapidly changing situation due to COVID-19. We do not expect this two-week delay to impact AMCAS operations, including application processing and verification."

How does this effect us in terms of my previous questions?
 

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I just want to make sure I understand this all correctly. So you said it takes 0-14 days to verify, but say, submitting on May 28th, and then having it sent out to schools June 26th is way more than 14 days in between. For the sake of example, does that mean that someone submitting about 2 weeks after May 28th and someone submitting exactly May 28th makes no difference (since schools receive the one who submitted on may 28th about 4 weeks after)? Schools receive both applications at the same time?

Also, the AAMC just posted an update saying they will "open the AMCAS application as planned on May 4, and delay transmitting AMCAS applicant data to medical schools by two weeks. This transmission delay – moving from June 26 to July 10 – will give applicants additional time to complete their applications during this rapidly changing situation due to COVID-19. We do not expect this two-week delay to impact AMCAS operations, including application processing and verification."

How does this effect us in terms of my previous questions?
Submitting a couple days later I believe it takes a tad longer to verify. Submitting the first day is useful because you can ensure you go out with the first batch. That isn't a certainty if you wait a week or two I believe. However, submitting a couple days or a week later than the first submission day won't hurt you.
 

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Hi,

I will be applying to medical school this year, and I did a lot of research online trying to understand the timelines but I'm still a little bit confused. From my research, I learned that
AMCAS application opens May 4th, 2020
First date to submit AMCAS is May 28th, 2020
First application released to medical schools is June 26th, 2020

I was told that applications are rolling admission, and it is best to submit as soon as submissions are opened (in this case as close as May 28th as possible). Then what I don't understand is what it means that applications are released to medical schools June 26th. Then what is the point in submitting May 28th for example when it wont even be submitted until after June 26th (a whole month after)? I don't understand the difference/significance between these two dates.

Thank you so much for your help in advance.

if you can pre-write lots of secondaries during the verification waiting period, submitting 2-3 weeks after opening is still OK imo. Just make sure you have your other ducks in a row.

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I just want to make sure I understand this all correctly. So you said it takes 0-14 days to verify, but say, submitting on May 28th, and then having it sent out to schools June 26th is way more than 14 days in between. For the sake of example, does that mean that someone submitting about 2 weeks after May 28th and someone submitting exactly May 28th makes no difference (since schools receive the one who submitted on may 28th about 4 weeks after)? Schools receive both applications at the same time?

Also, the AAMC just posted an update saying they will "open the AMCAS application as planned on May 4, and delay transmitting AMCAS applicant data to medical schools by two weeks. This transmission delay – moving from June 26 to July 10 – will give applicants additional time to complete their applications during this rapidly changing situation due to COVID-19. We do not expect this two-week delay to impact AMCAS operations, including application processing and verification."

How does this effect us in terms of my previous questions?
Just taking AAMC at its word, it sounds like they are building in a two week speed bump in order to reduce pressure to submit on day one (5/28), since, no matter when you submit, or how quickly you are verified, schools won't see anything until 7/10 at the earliest. This is very likely to reduce the advantage those who have already taken the MCAT have over those whose tests were cancelled from March -May. It never hurts to submit as early as possible if you are ready, but this looks like the first baby step in pushing back the cycle, to the extent schools ever actually did anything with applications between 6/26 and 7/10.
 
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Okay, someone told me it actually takes 4 weeks to verify. So then assuming it takes 4 weeks to verify, and not 2 weeks, then when it says "First application released to medical schools is June 26th, 2020", all applications verified by June 26th are released in bulk, right? So now that "release to medical schools" is extended by two weeks during Covid, submitting May 28th, vs two weeks after May 28th, would make no difference because all applications verified prior to the new deadline (July 10) will be submitted together in bulk? Is that right???
 

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Okay, someone told me it actually takes 4 weeks to verify. So then assuming it takes 4 weeks to verify, and not 2 weeks, then when it says "First application released to medical schools is June 26th, 2020", all applications verified by June 26th are released in bulk, right? So now that "release to medical schools" is extended by two weeks during Covid, submitting May 28th, vs two weeks after May 28th, would make no difference because all applications verified prior to the new deadline (July 10) will be submitted together in bulk? Is that right???
Yes, but I'm not sure how accurate your 4 weeks to verification timeline is. My understanding is that it varies, based on the queue, from a few days to a few weeks. So, it might be 4 weeks at the peak, which is certainly not on 5/28, and many people in past years reported being verified only a few days after submitting early in the cycle. The hold in the beginning is probably more to avoid having applications trickle in at the beginning, before many schools are set up to do anything with them, than anything else. It's not because it takes 4 weeks to verify on day one.

Bottom line, without having an exact date, but probably everyone submitting from 5/28 through sometime towards the end of June will go in the first batch, and it's not like you're late if you're not in the very first batch. :)
 

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I just want to make sure I understand this all correctly. So you said it takes 0-14 days to verify, but say, submitting on May 28th, and then having it sent out to schools June 26th is way more than 14 days in between. For the sake of example, does that mean that someone submitting about 2 weeks after May 28th and someone submitting exactly May 28th makes no difference (since schools receive the one who submitted on may 28th about 4 weeks after)? Schools receive both applications at the same time?

Also, the AAMC just posted an update saying they will "open the AMCAS application as planned on May 4, and delay transmitting AMCAS applicant data to medical schools by two weeks. This transmission delay – moving from June 26 to July 10 – will give applicants additional time to complete their applications during this rapidly changing situation due to COVID-19. We do not expect this two-week delay to impact AMCAS operations, including application processing and verification."

How does this effect us in terms of my previous questions?
Okay, someone told me it actually takes 4 weeks to verify. So then assuming it takes 4 weeks to verify, and not 2 weeks, then when it says "First application released to medical schools is June 26th, 2020", all applications verified by June 26th are released in bulk, right? So now that "release to medical schools" is extended by two weeks during Covid, submitting May 28th, vs two weeks after May 28th, would make no difference because all applications verified prior to the new deadline (July 10) will be submitted together in bulk? Is that right???

14 days if you submit on day one. 20+ if you submit 2 weeks later. Last year, the longest was around 30 days (assuming no errors). I'm not at home, or I would repost the chart.
 
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14 days if you submit on day one. 20+ if you submit 2 weeks later. Last year, the longest was around 30 days (assuming no errors). I'm not at home, or I would repost the chart.
It does NOT take 14 days on day one.

These posts are from last year:

Submitted 5/30 @ 9:34 AM EST.
Verified 5/30 @ 2:19 PM EST.

2 transcripts.
Submitted 5/30 @ 9:35 AM EST
Verified 5/30 @ 3:57 PM EST

Had 6 transcripts
Submitted 5/30 @ 8:24PM EST
Verified 6/6 @ 3:22PM EST
Submitted 5/30 @ 9:33 am
Verified 5/30 @ 11:29 am

*had 5 transcripts
Submitted 5/30 @ 9:37 AM EST.
Verified 5/31 @ 7:36 AM EST.

1 transcript.
 
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It does NOT take 14 days on day one.

These posts are from last year:
Be aware that 4/5 of the people you quoted submitted within 10 minutes of it opening. They may be outliers. Notice that the person who submitted 11 hours after it opening had to wait 7 days - it really does vary
 
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It does NOT take 14 days on day one.

These posts are from last year:

Yes, I should have classified that it is up to 14 days. some people do get verified in an hour. Some get verified in 14 days. Look at AMCAS Twitter and the thread from last year for proof.

Edit: SDN tends to self report earlier data and times than the official Twitter account.
 
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Yes, I should have classified that it is up to 14 days. some people do get verified in an hour. Some get verified in 14 days. Look at AMCAS Twitter and the thread from last year for proof.

Edit: SDN tends to self report earlier data and times than the official Twitter account.

Yeah, hard agree with ya. You can also see from Lucca's data that a lot of people who submitted day one waited 0-25 days to be verified, BUT SDN as a whole does not extrapolate to the population at large (isn't generalizable)
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The Application Transmission Delay (from June 28th to now July 10th) is creating a buffer for AMCAS to process and verify applications. With the COVID crisis, they are making contingency planning for lower staffing levels, possibly most/all verification done by remote workers, and dealing with the 70,000+ paper transcripts (out of the 140,000 total) that must somehow be dealt with. AMCAS also expects a higher percentage of transcripts from UG colleges to be slower in coming as all the Universities are operating at reduced staff and working remotely. Obviously, none of the systems in this process chain were setup assuming a majority of remote work so delays. In short, I would expect slower verification times. I would also expect longer lead times and extended deadlines by the medical schools. Being complete by mid-to-late September is likely reasonable even for the most competitive programs. (see time line outline below)

However, you dont get in because your application is first; you get in because your application is a highly polished, well-written, coherent, concise and compelling narrative showing a strong pattern of motivation, commitment, and achievement. Being early doesnt increase your chances or makes you a better candidate. It simply makes sure that "timing" doesnt become a factor in pre-II rejection.
 

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Yes, I should have classified that it is up to 14 days. some people do get verified in an hour. Some get verified in 14 days. Look at AMCAS Twitter and the thread from last year for proof.

Edit: SDN tends to self report earlier data and times than the official Twitter account.
Your point is well taken. I think we can all agree that it takes from same day to 3-4 weeks, depending on when you submit. Given that AMCAS is going to hold submissions until 7/10, hopefully we can also agree that everyone submitting from 5/28 through at least the middle of June will be in the first batch, so there should be less neurosis than usual about getting an application in within the first 5 minutes on 5/28. :)
 
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Your point is well taken. I think we can all agree that it takes from same day to 3-4 weeks, depending on when you submit. Given that AMCAS is going to hold submissions until 7/10, hopefully we can also agree that everyone submitting from 5/28 through at least the middle of June will be in the first batch, so there should be less neurosis than usual about getting an application in within the first 5 minutes on 5/28. :)

I looked at the data I have, and the average time for verification for day 1 submitters from self reported folks on SDN was 4.61 days (this was for people that had every transcript in and no corrections were needed). Day 2 from SDN was 10.48 days. AMCAS Twitter reported the final day of verifying day 1 folks as 13 days and day 2 as 14. AMCAS and SDN get reasonably close in estimated on day 6. For last cycle, those that submitted on day 15 took 25.06 days on average based on SDN data and 26 days for AMCAS.

I don't think the neurosis level will change. It might already so do to done people not wanting to submit without an MCAT or other check box items.

I do agree with gonnif that this cycle may take longer to process. Hopefully not though, there are already so many anxiety inducing things this cycle, that some stability would be good. If things stay the same (unlikely as there could be fewer or more submissions as well), those that submit on day 15 would likely get verified on July 7th.
 

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I looked at the data I have, and the average time for verification for day 1 submitters from self reported folks on SDN was 4.61 days (this was for people that had every transcript in and no corrections were needed). Day 2 from SDN was 10.48 days. AMCAS Twitter reported the final day of verifying day 1 folks as 13 days and day 2 as 14. AMCAS and SDN get reasonably close in estimated on day 6. For last cycle, those that submitted on day 15 took 25.06 days on average based on SDN data and 26 days for AMCAS.

I don't think the neurosis level will change. It might already so do to done people not wanting to submit without an MCAT or other check box items.

I do agree with gonnif that this cycle may take longer to process. Hopefully not though, there are already so many anxiety inducing things this cycle, that some stability would be good. If things stay the same (unlikely as there could be fewer or more submissions as well), those that submit on day 15 would likely get verified on July 7th.
Hopefully you can answer a question regarding processing time taking longer. How can anything happen same day if it isn't done electronically? Assuming that's the case, why would processing time take longer just because people are working from home?

I honestly think placing the speed bump in the cycle is to benefit those whose MCAT scores are going to be delayed rather than to accommodate the schools' inability to process on 6/26 (i.e., if processing were really expected to take longer, why would AAMC hold the apps rather than sending them even earlier than normal in order to give the schools more time to process?). I think the whole cycle is going to take longer, not because it's going to take longer to verify a transcript or read an app, but because MCATs are delayed for some, and interviews are going to be pushed back as schools try to avoid online interviews.
 

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Hopefully you can answer a question regarding processing time taking longer. How can anything happen same day if it isn't done electronically? Assuming that's the case, why would processing time take longer just because people are working from home?

I honestly think placing the speed bump in the cycle is to benefit those whose MCAT scores are going to be delayed rather than to accommodate the schools' inability to process on 6/26 (i.e., if processing were really expected to take longer, why would AAMC hold the apps rather than sending them even earlier than normal in order to give the schools more time to process?). I think the whole cycle is going to take longer, not because it's going to take longer to verify a transcript or read an app, but because MCATs are delayed for some, and interviews are going to be pushed back as schools try to avoid online interviews.

AMCAS verification is the long part that holds everyone up. When working from home, people are usually less efficient (dealing with kids and other issues and watching the price is right slows things down. There could also be more technical issues without tech support on site.

I don't believe a single secondary was sent out before July 10th last year. The earliest I recall was July 17th, although I was not following every school.

Most medical schools won't start looking at applications until August and some don't start until September.
 
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