Medical School Rankings: Is There Really a Number One?

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AAMC Reporter: May 2007

AAMC President, Darrell G. Kirch, M.D.
A Word from the President:
Medical School Rankings: Is There Really a Number One?
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Every year at this time, prospective medical school applicants begin to ask the all-important question, "How do I find the best medical school for me?" Often, one of the first places they look for answers is the U.S. News and World Report annual rankings, especially given the widespread press they typically generate.

As a former dean who actively interviewed applicants, I learned that the right fit for aspiring medical students is not about a ranking or number. It is all about the individual fit between a specific student and school.

Just what is wrong with the rankings? The fundamental problem is that they are based on a set of metrics that fail to directly measure the quality of education. In the U.S. News rankings, "reputation" is the most heavily weighted metric. While a variety of factors help determine a school's reputation (such as the number of alumni and the size and location of its home city), many are in no way measures of educational quality.

Other metrics used in the rankings, such as the amount of National Institutes of Health (NIH) research grants awarded and faculty-to-student ratios, seem impressive at first glance, but can be misleading to an applicant. For example, while high levels of NIH funding may signal an institution's commitment to building strong research programs (and may also reflect research opportunities available to students), a strong research orientation could have the unintended consequence of limiting faculty time in the classroom. As for faculty-to-student ratios, there is no guarantee that more faculty appointments directly correlate to the amount of time faculty members actually spend teaching.

Another metric, "student selectivity," is based primarily on MCAT® scores, which measure cognitive abilities. However, attributes such as humanism, compassion, and empathy are also critical to selecting students who will make good doctors, as well as good colleagues. Lastly, the U.S. News rankings list only 50 of the 125 accredited U.S. medical schools. Does this mean unranked schools do not provide a high-quality education? To the contrary; it has been my experience that a superb medical education can be found in some of the less well-known, yet very student-focused schools that might not even appear on the U.S. News list. Given these limitations, it is my sincere hope that medical schools take great care in their promotion of the rankings. While I certainly understand the pride that comes with a high ranking, I am concerned that the rankings as a whole present an important audience—our applicants—with a very limited picture of U.S. medical schools.

So what should medical school applicants do to determine which school is right for them? As a first and critically important step, prospective medical school applicants should understand that accreditation of U.S. and Canadian medical schools granting the M.D. degree is conducted by the Liaison Committee on Medical Education (LCME). LCME accreditation is a rigorous evaluation process that ensures high quality across medical schools. Unlike the rankings, LCME accreditation is a quality assurance process that determines whether a medical school educational program meets established high standards for function, structure, and performance.

At the heart of the process are ad hoc teams of experienced, voluntary peer evaluators.Made up of basic science and clinical educators and practitioners, these evaluators conduct an on-site medical school survey and assess factors ranging from a school's curriculum to the support and educational resources directly provided to students. In addition to conducting on-site surveys of each medical school approximately every eight years, (the standard term of accreditation), the LCME annually reviews data and written reports from all accredited U.S. and Canadian medical schools. It is interesting to note that a school could rank highly in each and every metric measured by U.S. News, but still fail to receive LCME accreditation.

Second, applicants should rely upon the more comprehensive and objective information found in the Medical School Admission Requirements (MSAR™) to assess a school's potential fit more thoroughly. Published each spring by the AAMC, the MSAR is filled with data that provide a broader understanding of a school's mission, entrance requirements, selection factors, and curriculum. It also contains a wealth of other important information for applicants' consideration, ranging from the percentage of accepted applicants who have community service or medically related work experience to accepted applicants' self-reported data on race and ethnicity.

Third, I highly recommend that applicants take a look for themselves. In my experience, campus visits are far and away the best method for students to assess their fit with a particular school. By visiting a medical school and speaking with current students, faculty, and staff, prospective applicants can see if their personal preferences match the unique features of a school. Campus visits also help stimulate questions that applicants may not have previously considered, such as whether the presence or absence of a large research program or strong community-based clinical learning sites would enhance their particular educational experience. And perhaps most importantly, campus visits are the only way to tell whether a school's current medical students seem happy and engaged.

In the end, to determine which medical school is "number one" for them, applicants should understand the significant limitations of the rankings, seek objective information, visit schools in which they are interested, and ultimately make decisions based on the values and criteria most important to them.

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Darrell G. Kirch, M.D., AAMC President

Editor's Note: For a copy of the 2008-2009 MSAR, please visit www.aamc.org/msar.
 
This is why the reputation of the school matters. For college, it is arguable that reputation matters more than the material taught while you are there (unless you're going into a highly technical field). This is probably less of an issue with medical school, but the distinction between, say, a Harvard grad and a non-Harvard grad isn't that the quality of the education was remarkably different, but that the first student was able to get into f---ing Harvard. So even if educational quality is similar, you want to associate yourself with the more accomplished population of students. I'm not saying I think this is a good way of looking at things, I'm just adding a dose of reality to this thread before we get into an all schools are equal love-fest. 😛

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Right now the rep of the school does not matter too much, but its still relevant.

However, that will change because med schools are sprouting up like CRAZY. There are currently 27 new med schools that have either opened in the last 5 years or are planned to open within the next 5 years. That kind of growth rate in medical schools is ABSOLUTELY UNPRECEDENTED.

So if you come thru the system now, its probably not a big deal. But when every city has its own med school, then it will matter. We will become like lawyers, where the school you go to means EVERYTHING. You'll see the Harvard/Hopkins grads continue to get the awesome match lists, but the grads from the newer lower tier programs (especially the ****ty private DO school opening in Colorado) will not be able to enter the same residencies.
 
Right now the rep of the school does not matter too much, but its still relevant.

However, that will change because med schools are sprouting up like CRAZY. There are currently 27 new med schools that have either opened in the last 5 years or are planned to open within the next 5 years. That kind of growth rate in medical schools is ABSOLUTELY UNPRECEDENTED.

So if you come thru the system now, its probably not a big deal. But when every city has its own med school, then it will matter. We will become like lawyers, where the school you go to means EVERYTHING. You'll see the Harvard/Hopkins grads continue to get the awesome match lists, but the grads from the newer lower tier programs (especially the ****ty private DO school opening in Colorado) will not be able to enter the same residencies.


Isn't this what the board exam is for? As long as you smoke the board, even then the name of the school won't matter as much.
 
.....We will become like lawyers, where the school you go to means EVERYTHING. ...........

But my coach told me that (many of) you will become like nurse practitioners or physician assistants.......
 
Isn't this what the board exam is for? As long as you smoke the board, even then the name of the school won't matter as much.

so the new schools are built so that someone can have fun using the same old bell to get rid of the excess? just a thought, not betting on it yet.
 
I'm curious where you got the 27 number from.

I agree that the proliferation of medical schools is not something we should want.

Question is..Why all of a sudden?

Right now the rep of the school does not matter too much, but its still relevant.

However, that will change because med schools are sprouting up like CRAZY. There are currently 27 new med schools that have either opened in the last 5 years or are planned to open within the next 5 years. That kind of growth rate in medical schools is ABSOLUTELY UNPRECEDENTED.

So if you come thru the system now, its probably not a big deal. But when every city has its own med school, then it will matter. We will become like lawyers, where the school you go to means EVERYTHING. You'll see the Harvard/Hopkins grads continue to get the awesome match lists, but the grads from the newer lower tier programs (especially the ****ty private DO school opening in Colorado) will not be able to enter the same residencies.
 
One more thing..

Wouldn't you consider where someone did their residency far more important than where they went to medical school?
 
One more thing..

Wouldn't you consider where someone did their residency far more important than where they went to medical school?

Problem is that residency is often tied to location of med school. If you went to med school in Cali, you'll more likely to do your residency in Cali than really anywhere else. Of course, for highly competitive specialties, this really doesnt apply; people go where they can get in.
 
However, that will change because med schools are sprouting up like CRAZY. There are currently 27 new med schools that have either opened in the last 5 years or are planned to open within the next 5 years. That kind of growth rate in medical schools is ABSOLUTELY UNPRECEDENTED.

yeah but how many of the 27 are MD programs
 
I go to a small medical school that is relatively young and not ranked in the top 50 (I don't think). It is just a run of the mill public school. However, the pass rate on the Boards is well over 90% for first time takers, and our scores are are in the top half of the nation's scores. Our tests are all board style questions and we take practice OSCEs beginning in our second year. On top of that we begin clinical experiences in the first semester of our first year.

Even more importantly, everyone knows each other by name and we all have lunch with the Dean, and get taught classes by him. It is a very close-knit school and I am happy that it is the one I chose after having a few options.

So, while those top schools have a reputation, which I think is very important, please know that you can get a darn good education and have an excellent experience at a smaller school that is not as highly ranked. Besides, many of our students end up in Residencies at those top schools anyway.

-C

ps my spelling sucks...sorry....😎
 
Problem is that residency is often tied to location of med school. If you went to med school in Cali, you'll more likely to do your residency in Cali than really anywhere else. Of course, for highly competitive specialties, this really doesnt apply; people go where they can get in.


I would agree in some ways, but in others, I think it's a non-starter.

Regardless of who is right on that point, I believe where one does residency is more important than where they did med school...
 
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