Medical School Rankings

[DoctorFate]

The answer to this question is that literally no one outside of them cares or knows. Navigating the healthcare system is already an obstacle in itself for the vast majority of people in the U.S. (those that can access it in the first place, to be clear); anyone saying people care about where their doctor studied is either smoking a pack or just coping so they can justify and continue to perpetuate the notion that they need to attend a T1.5 school in their little minds.

Like honestly, unless you go to Harvard or Stanford there is a 95% chance no one will know (or maybe Columbia, Yale, Dartmouth, Brown) and a 99.9% chance no one will care.

Even as a premed, before applying I could not name any medical schools besides the ivy leagues, my main state school, and Stanford—I didn't even know Princeton had no medical school. If you told me you went to NYU I'd think you're a clown because their undergraduate school is a literal scam. If you told me you got to "Pritzker" or "Feinberg" I'd probably ask you what language you are speaking. If you told me you went to UCSF I'd ask when they added another UC since I never heard of that school during college applications.

Even people saying you need a top degree for "private practice" are clowns. I remember searching top plastics private clinics in New York and one of the most popular clinics had their surgeon flaunting his HMS education on the website but when you actually look at his education he just did a masters there and went to CUNY for medical school. Lmao.

Your example somewhat belies your point haha. There's a reason he's flaunting his HMS education.

At any rate, in general I agree with you. Certain specialities, especially the two I am most interested in (derm and plastics, mainly cosmetics) care much more about medical school attended. Clientele in that field, especially higher end, also pay more attention to the medical school their doctors attended. There's a reason that doctor you mentioned flaunts HMS. The derms and plastic surgeins I've shadowed largely echo this view.

However, they are the only ones to do so out of almost 10 specialties I shadowed. Probably why I care more about rankings than most other medical students would or should. I mean, I literally withdrew from medical schools before decision to reapply with school prestige being a major factor. (Cost, family illness, dream job during gap year, and just a bit of personal time being the other 4).

Also dude, why are you so needlessly aggressive all the time

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[deleted1025488]

Clientele in that field, especially higher end, also pay more attention to the medical school their doctors attended.

Is this even true? If I pretend I'm a customer and google "top cosmetic plastic surgeons" I get plenty of clinics/surgeons. I did this for Miami, LA, and NYC, and out of 33 surgeons only 4 were from "top" schools (NYU, Vanderbilt, UCLA x3) and a solid third were literally from schools I have never heard. Hell even in the 3 most voluminous clinics in Beverley Hills none were from schools in the T20.

Obviously super non-rigorous so feel free to prove me wrong with real data.

The only place I see insane prestige importance is if I look at residencies at Massgen/UCSF/JHU/etc. which almost exclusively take T10 kids and/or their own students. However this tapers off pretty quickly once you move down the line (i.e. places like Duke, Mayo, NW, etc. seem to have high representation of lower ranked medical schools).

Even then the above doesn't matter in the longrun, as someone else said it's pretty much equated in the end unless your goal is to have an extremely research-heavy career or some super important role. Of course, even if that is the case, going to Massgen vs. BU for residency will not make or break your career in any way. Maybe this will change in the future but who knows.

 

[UsernameChecksOut]

Is this even true? If I pretend I'm a customer and google "top cosmetic plastic surgeons" I get plenty of clinics/surgeons. I did this for Miami, LA, and NYC, and out of 33 surgeons only 4 were from "top" schools (NYU, Vanderbilt, UCLA x3) and a solid third were literally from schools I have never heard. Hell even in the 3 most voluminous clinics in Beverley Hills none were from schools in the T20.

Obviously super non-rigorous so feel free to prove me wrong with real data.

The only place I see insane prestige importance is if I look at residencies at Massgen/UCSF/JHU/etc. which almost exclusively take T10 kids and/or their own students. However this tapers off pretty quickly once you move down the line (i.e. places like Duke, Mayo, NW, etc. seem to have high representation of lower ranked medical schools).

Even then the above doesn't matter in the longrun, as someone else said it's pretty much equated in the end unless your goal is to have an extremely research-heavy career or some super important role. Of course, even if that is the case, going to Massgen vs. BU for residency will not make or break your career in any way. Maybe this will change in the future but who knows.

n=1 but plenty of people I know look directly at the doctor's bio when trying to find a doctor or specialist. This mostly stems from the internet making such info widely available coupled with the fact that it's the only discerning info short of taking a shot in the dark. This would depend on specialty since I think most people would consult friends and family for recommendations on general practice, pediatrician, and other general fields. But if someone wants a surgeon or a cardiologist or neuro or some other specialty where stakes are especially high...yeah...I'm looking at the bio. I certainly would not select a doctor only based on that info, but it would affect my decision coupled with patient reviews if I was choosing from multiple unknown doctors and trying to narrow down the choice.

 

[deleted1025488]

n=1 but plenty of people I know

You really think the vast majority of people look through Dr's bios, specifically their MD degree (among many others, typically) instead of just looking at the best clinics/practices in their surrounding area? There are countless resources for the latter. It's not a shot in the dark lol, I would think having high volume and many successful procedures + a strong grounding in the city is more important than your MD degree lmao.

 

[UsernameChecksOut]

You really think the vast majority of people look through Dr's bios, specifically their MD degree (among many others, typically) instead of just looking at the best clinics/practices in their surrounding area? There are countless resources for the latter. It's not a shot in the dark lol, I would think having high volume and many successful procedures + a strong grounding in the city is more important than your MD degree lmao.

That’s why I didn’t say vast majority. I think most people probably don’t, in fact, but it’s a lot more than none. My spouse will *only* go to a doctor with a high tier degree. The thought process is that these are the highest achievers and that’s who my spouse wants as the “expert.” Unusual? Maybe, but the numbers of people who care about these things are not insignificant.

 

[srirachamayonnaise]

n=1 but plenty of people I know look directly at the doctor's bio when trying to find a doctor or specialist. This mostly stems from the internet making such info widely available coupled with the fact that it's the only discerning info short of taking a shot in the dark. This would depend on specialty since I think most people would consult friends and family for recommendations on general practice, pediatrician, and other general fields. But if someone wants a surgeon or a cardiologist or neuro or some other specialty where stakes are especially high...yeah...I'm looking at the bio. I certainly would not select a doctor only based on that info, but it would affect my decision coupled with patient reviews if I was choosing from multiple unknown doctors and trying to narrow down the choice.

Echo that, when I had to get a colonoscopy, I chose someone who went to Penn over the person who went to NYMC.

 

[srirachamayonnaise]

You really think the vast majority of people look through Dr's bios, specifically their MD degree (among many others, typically) instead of just looking at the best clinics/practices in their surrounding area? There are countless resources for the latter. It's not a shot in the dark lol, I would think having high volume and many successful procedures + a strong grounding in the city is more important than your MD degree lmao.

true, if only that info were more readily available.

 

[srirachamayonnaise]

Is this even true? If I pretend I'm a customer and google "top cosmetic plastic surgeons" I get plenty of clinics/surgeons. I did this for Miami, LA, and NYC, and out of 33 surgeons only 4 were from "top" schools (NYU, Vanderbilt, UCLA x3) and a solid third were literally from schools I have never heard. Hell even in the 3 most voluminous clinics in Beverley Hills none were from schools in the T20.

Obviously super non-rigorous so feel free to prove me wrong with real data.

The only place I see insane prestige importance is if I look at residencies at Massgen/UCSF/JHU/etc. which almost exclusively take T10 kids and/or their own students. However this tapers off pretty quickly once you move down the line (i.e. places like Duke, Mayo, NW, etc. seem to have high representation of lower ranked medical schools).

Even then the above doesn't matter in the longrun, as someone else said it's pretty much equated in the end unless your goal is to have an extremely research-heavy career or some super important role. Of course, even if that is the case, going to Massgen vs. BU for residency will not make or break your career in any way. Maybe this will change in the future but who knows.

I think people always make the best out of what they have. So, whether prestige begets a well-paying gig through your search is a flawed method, because that assumes that there are plenty plastic surgeons who went to T20 and could fill all the needs of a market.
Another explanation for your data could be that there are just not many plastic surgeons who went to T20 to begin with. But that doesn't negate the assumption that a t20 school degree can actually aid someone in becoming a prolific plastic surgeon. I think it's all very silly to argue for either point. The truth is that some people are just more attracted to the shiny names than others and also that given a choice a lot of people might opt for a brand name (in actuality, very few applicants end up with this optionality.)

 

[deleted1025488]

Echo that, when I had to get a colonoscopy, I chose someone who went to Penn over the person who went to NYMC.

Isn't Penn a state school?

In all seriousness you are both referencing people/yourself who have high degrees and/or exposure to the medical field, a huge minority. I don't really understand your n=1s.

 

[DoctorFate]

I think people always make the best out of what they have. So, whether prestige begets a well-paying gig through your search is a flawed method, because that assumes that there are plenty plastic surgeons who went to T20 and could fill all the needs of a market.
Another explanation for your data could be that there are just not many plastic surgeons who went to T20 to begin with. But that doesn't negate the assumption that a t20 school degree can actually aid someone in becoming a prolific plastic surgeon. I think it's all very silly to argue for either point. The truth is that some people are just more attracted to the shiny names than others and also that given a choice a lot of people might opt for a brand name (in actuality, very few applicants end up with this optionality.)

I think this is really the take home message here, about the value of name-brand schools. Some people really care about the prestige it adds, even if it might not necessarily matter. @joe32 mentioned a doctor that kept bragging about his HMS masters when his medical degree was from some other college. Just today, I had an appointment with a doctor that kept talking about his time at Yale, which I assumed was his medical school. He also had a degree from Yale behind him (which I didn't really look at too closely beyond the name) and he urged me to apply there, telling me how great it was. Turns out he did a Masters there.

I also know a lot of people on this site always say no one cares where you went to medical school. I'm very involved in academic medicine, and doctors there absolutely care about school prestige. They will give doctors from top ranked schools a great deal of respect, for social purposes. Of course, I only see this social side- I have no idea how this translates to earnings, and from what adcoms on here say, it doesn't do much.

 

[srirachamayonnaise]

I think this is really the take home message here, about the value of name-brand schools. Some people really care about the prestige it adds, even if it might not necessarily matter. @joe32 mentioned a doctor that kept bragging about his HMS masters when his medical degree was from some other college. Just today, I had an appointment with a doctor that kept talking about his time at Yale, which I assumed was his medical school. He also had a degree from Yale behind him (which I didn't really look at too closely beyond the name) and he urged me to apply there, telling me how great it was. Turns out he did a Masters there.

I also know a lot of people on this site always say no one cares where you went to medical school. I'm very involved in academic medicine, and doctors there absolutely care about school prestige. They will give doctors from top ranked schools a great deal of respect, for social purposes. Of course, I only see this social side- I have no idea how this translates to earnings, and from what adcoms on here say, it doesn't do much.

If your goal is get rich, don’t be a doctor. If your goal is to earn respect (which a lot of us here really care about), go to the highest ranked school you get in at. Prestige is basically social asset like beauty, no one can quantify it. However, if it were given out free of charge, almost everyone would opt for it, just like beauty.

 

[hotlinebling0729]

If your goal is get rich, don’t be a doctor. If your goal is to earn respect (which a lot of us here really care about), go to the highest ranked school you get in at. Prestige is basically social asset like beauty, no one can quantify it. However, if it were given out free of charge, almost everyone would opt for it, just like beauty.

I relate more to wanting to be rich than wanting to earn respect tbh. Still applying this cycle though!

 

[deleted1025488]

If your goal is get rich, don’t be a doctor. If your goal is to earn respect (which a lot of us here really care about), go to the highest ranked school you get in at. Prestige is basically social asset like beauty, no one can quantify it. However, if it were given out free of charge, almost everyone would opt for it, just like beauty.

You should respect achievements and outcomes, not a piece of paper that probably has more to do with your upbringing and assets throughout HS/UG than anything.

The main doctor I shadowed at my undergrad medical school (t5) praised his chief's work and let me shadow him during OR. The chief is an international doc from Colombia who did residency at UConn and is now one of the best neuros in the world. According to your logic you a.) would not respect him and b.) wouldn't have picked him for your procedure since there are other surgeons in his divisions with "PerElmAN degREES" despite poorer outcomes.

This is my last post on this dumpster thread but holy @srirachamayonnaise and @msummer you two need some sort of therapeutics for your prestige addiction; there is literally no logic or data backing your claims. At this point I hope it's just satire but it's sdn so who knows. Peace.

 

[Med Ed]

Kind of a silly answer. We are talking about what the general medical field thinks.

What's silly is the idea that one can meaningfully organize entities as complex as medical schools into a neat, linear arrangement.

The Order of Things: A ranking can be heterogeneous, in other words, as long as it doesn’t try to be too comprehensive. And it can be comprehensive as long as it doesn’t try to measure things that are heterogeneous. But it’s an act of real audacity when a ranking system tries to be comprehensive and heterogeneous—which is the first thing to keep in mind in any consideration of U.S. News & World Report’s annual “Best Colleges” guide.

 

[RangerBob]

Ask ten people in the field and you'll get 11 different answers. Med Ed is actually on the mark.

The only people who care about rankings or tiers are status obsessed pre-meds and med school Deans.

Once you hit attending, your salary will be the same whether you went to JAB/U HI or Harvard; U WA or U Miami; ACOM or Yale.

Agree. I literally don’t know where any of my physician colleagues went to med school or did their residency/fellowship (except my partner, since I had to read his CV to prep for his interview).

No MD/DO’s talk about where they went/trained (thankfully!) where I work.

The only people who care are premeds. Which is fine—I cared back then too for whatever reason (it sounds nice to tell people you got interviews/acceptances to all those fancy places).

 

[wysdoc]

Thanks bro, hopefully you get an interview from your state school to lower your blood pressure after suffering through all T20 interviews you wish you never had.

Edit: I found this thread that was rather interesting-

The top comment, I think summarizes it well

@msummer please remove the reddit copy/paste and I will remind you and others again to debate ideas if you must, but stop targeting your comments with insults to other members.

 

[DoctorFate]

@msummer please remove the reddit copy/paste and I will remind you and others again to debate ideas if you must, but stop targeting your comments with insults to other members.

Does SDN not allow reddit links or just reddit quotes?

 

[wysdoc]

Does SDN not allow reddit links or just reddit quotes?

I’m asking you to do your redditting on Reddit.

 

[DoctorFate]

I’m asking you to do your redditting on Reddit.

The reddit link contained information directly relevant to the thread, so I felt it might be useful. Oh well though, no more reddit links/quotes.

 

[Dave1980]

That’s why I didn’t say vast majority. I think most people probably don’t, in fact, but it’s a lot more than none. My spouse will *only* go to a doctor with a high tier degree. The thought process is that these are the highest achievers and that’s who my spouse wants as the “expert.” Unusual? Maybe, but the numbers of people who care about these things are not insignificant.

you and your wife arent in medicine are you? if you think going to harvard med school makes you a better doctor than going to a state school you don't understand medical training at all.

 

[UsernameChecksOut]

you and your wife arent in medicine are you? if you think going to harvard med school makes you a better doctor than going to a state school you don't understand medical training at all.

Definitely not. Was giving the example of my spouse in the context of a random patient trying to pick out a doctor. Random patients don’t always understand medical training and that’s where perception and (sometimes mistaken) assumptions come in. FWIW, some of my own favorite doctors have been DOs.

 

[Med Ed]

From the 2020 Kryuus Patient Access Journey Report:

 

[Angus Avagadro]

Picking a doctor by their home institution can be a disastrous mistake. When Bill Clinton required heart surgery, they demanded the Chief of CT surgery, at Columbia if my memory is functioning, perform the surgery. What they don't realize that this person has been an administrator for some time and was probably hot stuff 20 yrs prior. He had the predictable outcome of developing a post op empyema requiring painful pleurodesis. Their mistake comes from not contacting OR personal to learn just who the best choice would be. OR people know who is skillful and who isn't. Same for any other specialist. Cardiology, talk to someone who works in the cath lab. Personal communication like this in most cases will provide the best choice, not where they trained or went to med school.

 

[Goro]

you and your wife arent in medicine are you? if you think going to harvard med school makes you a better doctor than going to a state school you don't understand medical training at all.

Indeed. Every year I hear from my OMSIII students on how they're doing, they tell me that rotate with students from Harvard/Stanford class schools who can immediately rattle off the fetails of diabetic ketoacidosis, but for the life of them couldn't do a patient interview or physical exam.

 

[wysdoc]

Does SDN not allow reddit links or just reddit quotes?

Reddit is a different platform with a different vibe and some people like it.
If there is some useful news or information to share with SDN members, it is allowed. There is sometimes no attributable source to the charts and that means they can be more crowdsourced than factual.
So, linking to non copyrighted material is permitted.

 

[deleted555445]

Picking a doctor by their home institution can be a disastrous mistake. When Bill Clinton required heart surgery, they demanded the Chief of CT surgery, at Columbia if my memory is functioning, perform the surgery. What they don't realize that this person has been an administrator for some time and was probably hot stuff 20 yrs prior. He had the predictable outcome of developing a post op empyema requiring painful pleurodesis. Their mistake comes from not contacting OR personal to learn just who the best choice would be. OR people know who is skillful and who isn't. Same for any other specialist. Cardiology, talk to someone who works in the cath lab. Personal communication like this in most cases will provide the best choice, not where they trained or went to med school.

Reminds me of when the Shah of Iran demanded that Michael Debakey, the most famous surgeon at the time, perform his splenectomy. It was not a surgery that Debakey had much experience with, and he made a mistake and the Shah died. But I'm sure he was happy he got the shiny, world-famous surgeon.

 

[illaqueable]

I'm just curious how all of you would define T5, T10, and T20. I know most people consider more than the respective number of schools to fall within each category, as there's some variance each year. Personally, I use a combination of PD Rankings (research) and USNR rankings (both current and historical) to define my list. These are my rankings:

T5: Harvard, UCSF, Johns Hopkins, NYU, Stanford, Penn, and Columbia.
T10: T5 + Duke, UWash, Yale, Mayo, WashU, Michigan, Pitt, UCLA.

Feel free to list any external rankings you can think of as well.

All of this is nonsense naval gazery. You go to Big Name Medical School if you have the stats and/or you're interested in research or climbing the admin ladder. All this masturbation about rankings is meaningless and serves only to drive up tuition at places that are functionally indistinguishable.

For all normal humans, where you go to medical.schoom is 1) where you got in, 2) whether you're in-state or out-of-state for tuition purposes, and 3) (if out-of-state) geographic location. The second two points are D I S T A N T in comparison to the first one.

 

[gentlebalogna]

IMO Pitt, Uwash and UCLA are not T10. The McKinsey test also applies to medical schools. If McKinsey actively recruits at school then it is prestigious.

To test this, all you need to do is google “xxxxx medical school Mckinsey linkedin. If there are 5+ profiles, the school is considered prestigious.

You sound very much like someone who is not in medical school or medicine

 

[KnightDoc]

All of this is nonsense naval gazery. You go to Big Name Medical School if you have the stats and/or you're interested in research or climbing the admin ladder. All this masturbation about rankings is meaningless and serves only to drive up tuition at places that are functionally indistinguishable.

For all normal humans, where you go to medical.schoom is 1) where you got in, 2) whether you're in-state or out-of-state for tuition purposes, and 3) (if out-of-state) geographic location. The second two points are D I S T A N T in comparison to the first one.

Maybe, but, for the record, what drives up tuition is 65,000 applicants for 22,000 spots, not nonsense naval gazery!

 

[nimbus]

so you have 15 schools in your top 10.

Everybody knows there are 10 “top 5” schools and 20 “top 10” schools.

 

[nimbus]

Do you see it? Because I sure don't. Pick a med school, any med school at all. Just about all of them are far more selective in admissions than Harvard Business School, or any of the top MBA programs for that matter.

Does anyone who has any idea at all about anything to do with medical schools think a so-called "McKinsey Test" is an arbiter of anything in the world of medical education? I would think this is 1,000,000% irrelevant outside the confines of the McKinsey hiring committee. Still think there is a 0% chance you are being trolled?

McKinsey is very inbred.

 

[LadyDustyBlue]

I only skimmed the thread, but I was going to post a joke about how “my definition of a top 5 school is anything I can get into & actually want to attend”.

But then I saw @gonnif ’s post:

And you missed my point. The residency rankings of NYU and where the patients want to go is nearly irrelevant to a medical student to ultimately practice specialty in NYC. The networking in NYC and across residencies that NYU provides is outstanding to land a spot in the city and ultimately practice there.

And this goes to the whole point of the thread. What is top relies on the ultimate goals of the student attending. All the research money, prestige of the hospitals, etc making some level of "T" is meaningless. And ultimately, since 80% of applicants either get rejected or get a single acceptance, for the majority of SDN readers ranking is a pointless exercise

And it summed up how I feel.

Like it’s not to make applicants feel bad. It’s just that… you can literally get lost obsessing over rankings or guessing them. It’s the kind of masochistic activity I feel we shouldn’t hunch our backs over for when the pressure is already on. Just apply to where you feel comfortable attending, what aligns w/ your goals, and/or feel is worth going over debt for.

 

[nimbus]

NYU had the highest GPA and MCAT selectivity long before it had free tuition.
It has some of the lowest student to faculty rotations across multiple world renown specialties
It has attracted more applicants than other highly regarded schools in New York City
Probably one of the best schools to both get an education and get networking in NYC
Schools like Harvard and JHU educate students to be leaders particularly in research and academia
If you want to be a top practicing doctor, NYU beats them probably only exceeded by Mayo

So what what is top goes to what you want out of medical school
as @Med Ed already pointed out

I’m an NYU grad. I was a high stat applicant but the rest of my application was meh. NYU has high stats because their admissions office has always prioritized high stats. If I had gotten off the waitlist at Columbia or Cornell, I would have attended one of those over NYU. That said, I felt the education I received there was phenomenal. There were MANY super dedicated and brilliant faculty and house staff, especially in medicine and surgery. But I’m sure the same could be said of the other schools.

 

[nimbus]

I don't think the prestigiousness of the school matters--- I think it's the prestigiousness of the residencies that students receive that should really play into the rank of a med school.

Even for residency location is more important than prestige.

 

[srirachamayonnaise]

Even for residency location is more important than prestige.

I don't think the prestigiousness of the school matters--- I think it's the prestigiousness of the residencies that students receive that should really play into the rank of a med school.

In medicine, prestige is literally confined to HMS, Hopkins and UCSF (the "wow" effect). The rest of the schools are considered either top or not.

 

[nimbus]

I think this is really the take home message here, about the value of name-brand schools. Some people really care about the prestige it adds, even if it might not necessarily matter. @joe32 mentioned a doctor that kept bragging about his HMS masters when his medical degree was from some other college. Just today, I had an appointment with a doctor that kept talking about his time at Yale, which I assumed was his medical school. He also had a degree from Yale behind him (which I didn't really look at too closely beyond the name) and he urged me to apply there, telling me how great it was. Turns out he did a Masters there.

I also know a lot of people on this site always say no one cares where you went to medical school. I'm very involved in academic medicine, and doctors there absolutely care about school prestige. They will give doctors from top ranked schools a great deal of respect, for social purposes. Of course, I only see this social side- I have no idea how this translates to earnings, and from what adcoms on here say, it doesn't do much.

Prestige names are used by cosmetic dermatologists, ophthalmologists, and. plastic surgeons in their advertising. Other specialists generally don’t advertise at all.

In medicine, prestige is literally confined to HMS, Hopkins and UCSF (the "wow" effect). The rest of the schools are considered either top or not.

You can add Stanford.

 

[srirachamayonnaise]

Prestige names are used by cosmetic dermatologists, ophthalmologists, and. plastic surgeons in their advertising. Other specialists generally don’t advertise at all.






You can add Stanford.

I guess so, balanced out east and west.

 

[nimbus]

I guess so, balanced out east and west.

Well they’re highly recruited by McKinsey so it must be a prestige name.

 

[srirachamayonnaise]

Well they’re highly recruited by McKinsey so it must be a prestige name.

Kind of makes sense. On the West Coast, Stanford is the equivalent of Harvard. Whereas, UCSF is like Hopkins in the sense that it's all about medicine.

 

[Goro]

What summer do to get the Banhammer smack??

 

[UsernameChecksOut]

What summer do to get the Banhammer smack??

Editing again bc I’m trying to figure out how to link things directly. It was this comment though.

High stat applicants w/ 0 interview invites

Any other 'high stat' applicants with 0 interview invites so far this cycle. It be hard sometimes watching people who you thought look like you on paper rolling in interview invites. When you aren't getting any love from any school. #askingforafriend 🙃

forums.studentdoctor.net

 

[srirachamayonnaise]

Also NYC just attracts a lot of good docs who want to be here. NYU has been a stat hoe for many decades

since for the longest time, they couldn't get people who were the full package.

 

[voxveritatisetlucis]

Is it just me or does it seem like a lot of medical school deans at mid to lower tier schools went to Harvard, Yale, Hopkins etc.

Is this just a limited sample size or is it important to go to a top tier school if you want to be a hospital/med school administrator?

 

[KnightDoc]

Is it just me or does it seem like a lot of medical school deans at mid to lower tier schools went to Harvard, Yale, Hopkins etc.

Is this just a limited sample size or is it important to go to a top tier school if you want to be a hospital/med school administrator?

Not a limited sample size. It's important for academia. Everyone acknowledges that, even those who say it doesn't matter for anything else.

 

[efle]

Is this just a limited sample size or is it important to go to a top tier school if you want to be a hospital/med school administrator?

Mix of selection bias (hardworking high performers with leadership more likely to get their education/training at big names) plus being a good launchpad into competitive residencies, in turn competitive fellowships, in turn desirable starting positions, etc.

 

[MyOdyssey]

Where do Baylor and Univ of Texas - Southwestern fit in the T20 and why?

 

[srirachamayonnaise]

Where do Baylor and Univ of Texas - Southwestern fit in the T20 and why?

I would consider them borderline T20’s but more like T30. In Texas, they are treated like Harvard and the like. Texas has a huge regional bias.

 

[breastoncdoc]

To All: better be sure senior medical school professors of some of these schools you ranked lower aren’t reading this 😊.

(Lurking, couldn’t help myself…maybe I’ll do an AMA sometime.)

Spoiler alert: it does not matter one bit.

 

[jhmmd]

I've said this before and I will say it again--RANKINGS DO NOT MATTER. All you need is one acceptance, and you're gonna be a doctor (most likely). At the end of the day, matriculation rates are so low that you shouldn't expect that you'll be accepted at a top ten or top twenty school. It does not matter if you become a D.O., either. At the end of the day, your performance in residency (which is more dependent upon people skills than anything else) will determine what kind of doctor you become, and where you practice. Chose a residency close to where you want to practice.

Anyway I am veering off on a tangent but I wanted to point out that all of these rankings threads are coming at this process with the wrong attitude. The old saying, "Shoot for the moon, so that you land among the stars," is only true up to a point when it comes to medical school admissions.

 

[srirachamayonnaise]

I've said this before and I will say it again--RANKINGS DO NOT MATTER. All you need is one acceptance, and you're gonna be a doctor (most likely). At the end of the day, matriculation rates are so low that you shouldn't expect that you'll be accepted at a top ten or top twenty school. It does not matter if you become a D.O., either. At the end of the day, your performance in residency (which is more dependent upon people skills than anything else) will determine what kind of doctor you become, and where you practice. Chose a residency close to where you want to practice.

Anyway I am veering off on a tangent but I wanted to point out that all of these rankings threads are coming at this process with the wrong attitude. The old saying, "Shoot for the moon, so that you land among the stars," is only true up to a point when it comes to medical school admissions.

Basically, if you are lucky enough to attend a t5 or a t10, the rest of the medicine journey, in terms of prestige, is just a downhill ride from there on.