Metabolic pathways

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We were expected to know glycolysis in detail, including the structures of every molecule along the pathway.
 
Yes. And it sucks the life out of me. I absolutely hate memorizing pathways. Not that it's hard, I just don't give a &#^$
 
Yeah, we are required to memorize all the details in the metabolic pathways. Basically, the entire syllabus. So lame.
 
My school doesn't require rote memorization of the entire pathway including structures of all enzymes and compounds. That is ridiculously time consuming and very low yield for the boards. We concentrate on the big picture and do a ton of clinical correlations to tie it all together.
 
My school doesn't require rote memorization of the entire pathway including structures of all enzymes and compounds. That is ridiculously time consuming and very low yield for the boards. We concentrate on the big picture and do a ton of clinical correlations to tie it all together.

That is very true, it is time consuming and pretty useless information. I think they should remove biochemistry altogether and repackage it as a small nutrition class or add it as part of a physiology course and only harp on whats important. Biochemistry was one of the most useless classes I have taken so far and I've forgotten almost everything from it since it was so detail oriented rather than big picture.
 
That is very true, it is time consuming and pretty useless information. I think they should remove biochemistry altogether and repackage it as a small nutrition class or add it as part of a physiology course and only harp on whats important. Biochemistry was one of the most useless classes I have taken so far and I've forgotten almost everything from it since it was so detail oriented rather than big picture.

I don't agree with that even though I hate biochemistry and I'm glad its done... I guess it depends on your school because @ my school we didn't have to memorize structures or every little detail of every pathway (glycolysis you do need to know most of it though). It was basically limited to rate-limiting and regulated steps with whatever happens in between just w.e. Def a lot of useless info but the tests were big picture oriented.
 
I thought I was done with glycolysis after MI until I got pimped as an M3 on a five hour liver transplant, holding a retractor while being asked to recite which amino acids were involved in gluconeogenesis, followed by glycogenesis, two carbon fragments and futile cycles. The only thing worse was my OChem final when I wrote the 26 step synthesis of rubber from acetylene. At least I was sitting down for that exam.
 
lol... glycolysis and tca.

You forgot

Amino acid anabolism
Amino acid catabolism
Nucleic Acid Catabolism / Anabolism
1 Carbon Transfers
Fatty Acid Synthesis and Degredation
Pentose Phosphate
Glycogen Metabolism
Electron Transport chain...

We just had our last test on all this stuff... it blew
 
Thanks for the nightmare, Celkon. Now I'll need an Ambien to get to sleep tonight.
 
I don't agree with that even though I hate biochemistry and I'm glad its done... I guess it depends on your school because @ my school we didn't have to memorize structures or every little detail of every pathway (glycolysis you do need to know most of it though). It was basically limited to rate-limiting and regulated steps with whatever happens in between just w.e. Def a lot of useless info but the tests were big picture oriented.

Half of our lectures included drawing out structures and talking about basic chemical reactions that happened with every step. I think anywhere from 10-20% of our test questions required that you memorize the structure before you have any shot at answering the question. I can tell you so far in second year, almost no part of biochemistry has been useful in understanding pathology, pharmacology, microbiology or clinically relevant scenarios (whereas anatomy, genetics, physiology, histology, immunology, cell biology, neuroanatomy all have been pretty relevent). There were a few things with vitamin deficiency and cholesterol pathways but those were a very small part of what we were taught in biochemistry.
 
I thought I was done with glycolysis after MI until I got pimped as an M3 on a five hour liver transplant, holding a retractor while being asked to recite which amino acids were involved in gluconeogenesis, followed by glycogenesis, two carbon fragments and futile cycles. The only thing worse was my OChem final when I wrote the 26 step synthesis of rubber from acetylene. At least I was sitting down for that exam.

Wow, crazy, surprised that the surgeon wouldn't ask you some more clinically relevant questions.
 
Tic, you also give me bad memories. I feel like I need to go back and memorize the cast and credits for Mayberry RFD.
 
Half of our lectures included drawing out structures and talking about basic chemical reactions that happened with every step. I think anywhere from 10-20% of our test questions required that you memorize the structure before you have any shot at answering the question. I can tell you so far in second year, almost no part of biochemistry has been useful in understanding pathology, pharmacology, microbiology or clinically relevant scenarios (whereas anatomy, genetics, physiology, histology, immunology, cell biology, neuroanatomy all have been pretty relevent). There were a few things with vitamin deficiency and cholesterol pathways but those were a very small part of what we were taught in biochemistry.

Wow that's horrible lol
 
Shouldn't have to know structures. Otherwise M3's will be carrying space-filling models around in their coat pockets.
 
so glad biochem here is dispensed in dribs and drabs over the entire curriculum and not done ram-down style like some of you are describing. it doesn't show up unless it's pretty relevant, they usually entice us with a clinical carrot as they're doing it so we don't feel completely abused 😀

but yes, in response to OP's question, we do end up learning all of what's on that diagram to at least that level of detail.
 
I made this for my exam 🙂

*The yellow lines seperate which are in the mitochondria and which are not.

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Interesting diagram. Having taken organic chemistry in 1967-68, I wonder whether today's students simpley take a picture of the whiteboard with their cell phone camera rather than try to furiously keep up with the professor's scriblings, before he erased the whole thing and started on a new synthesis.
 
Interesting diagram. Having taken organic chemistry in 1967-68, I wonder whether today's students simpley take a picture of the whiteboard with their cell phone camera rather than try to furiously keep up with the professor's scriblings, before he erased the whole thing and started on a new synthesis.

This is a diagram I made that incorporated and connected all the different metabolic pathways which I felt were necessary for my final.
 
Thanks. It reminded me of the math problem in the hallway from "Good Will Hunting" that only Matt Damon and a Nobel laureate could solve.
 
This is a diagram I made that incorporated and connected all the different metabolic pathways which I felt were necessary for my final.

AHHHHHHHHH it BURRRRRRRNSSSSS the EyEs!!!!

thank god that test is over for me
 
I just finished drawing this one up, not for an exam but just for fun:
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Can someone proof this for me and let me know if there are any errors?

To the OP, yes you will have to be able to reproduce this same diagram from memory for the next 10 years. (The good news is you aren't responsible for the material in that red square, thank goodness.)
 
This is a diagram I made that incorporated and connected all the different metabolic pathways which I felt were necessary for my final.

Some girls in my glass did basically the exact same thing on a blackboard when we were doing biochem. Then a bunch of eager beavers went out in the parking lot and made a gigantic one in chalk. Hahaha. Whatever works 👍
 
If you study it closely, it's actually a map of the New York City subway system.
 
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