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nyanko said:
Yes I care if other people who have long histories of abusing animals have pets. I have exactly as much power to affect that as I do to affect whether Vick does or not. What the hell kind of question is that? Are you daft? There is absolutely no comparison between someone getting his dick sucked and another person brutally killing animals.

To be 100% honest WTF's story about her SO makes me cringe and I am not sure that I would be able to date a guy who admitted to shooting cats for fun routinely growing up. I'm fact, I'm sure I wouldn't be able to.
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Thank you Nyanko! I have to agree with you.

1) Bill Clinton didn't yank the teeth out of the bitch that sucked his dick nor did he kill her if she performed unsatisfactorily.

2) I also cringed at WTF's story. I could never date/have a relationship with someone who did not feel the same way as I about animals.

MV does not deserve ANY animal. I don't believe he deserved to be able to play ball again but perhaps, that is strictly my opinion.
 
Hotfillyky said:
2) I also cringed at WTF's story. I could never date/have a relationship with someone who did not feel the same way as I about animals.
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Christ people.

Teh ex grew up on a hog farm in rural Indiana where it was commonplace to shoot stray animals. He's not some sort of monster, and I was in no way trying to compare the actions of him to MV. That was not the point of the story. His family also breeds Dalmations and they are some of the best cared for dogs I have seen. I didn't even know this until he admitted it to me many, many months after we had started dating, because I noticed he had gone from kind of ignoring my cat to being very affectionate with her and I asked why.

Again, the point of my story is that people, given time and space with the animals they had previously considered worthless, can learn to appreciate them as actual beings. It was not to compare or equivocate shooting stray cats to abusing and fighting dogs. It was to illustrate change.

This is why I should have stayed out of this discussion entirely. Considering this may be one of the last posts I make around here, I'm disappointed it had to be over a subject such as this.
 
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WhtsThFrequency said:
Christ people.

Teh ex grew up on a hog farm in rural Indiana where it was commonplace to shoot stray animals. He's not some sort of monster. His family also breeds Dalmations and they are some of the best cared for dogs I have seen. I didn't even know this until he admitted it to me many, many months after we had started dating, because I noticed he had gone from kind of ignoring my cat to being very affectionate with her and I asked why.

Again, the point of my story is that people, given time and space with the animals they had previously considered worthless, can learn to appreciate them as actual beings. It was not to compare or equivocate shooting stray cats to abusing and fighting dogs. It was to illustrate change.

This is why I should have stayed out of this discussion entirely. Considering this may be one of the last posts I make around here, I'm disappointed it had to be over a subject such as this.
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Where are you going? 🙁
 
After 6+ years I'm finally getting very tired of SDN. But that is not the point of this thread. Actually, this thread has no point. Those of us who suggest that there is a possibility that MV may *gasp* have changed his views on dogs as living beings and want to make right even a little bit (which NONE of us can say but him) are completely and summarily dismissed. And everyone else can circlejerk about how much they hate him. That's how these threads always go.
 
WhtsThFrequency said:
After 6+ years I'm finally getting very tired of SDN. But that is not the point of this thread. Actually, this thread has no point. Those of us who suggest that there is a possibility that MV may *gasp* have changed his views on dogs as living beings and want to make right even a little bit (which NONE of us can say but him) are completely and summarily dismissed. And everyone else can circlejerk about how much they hate him. That's how these threads always go.
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Sad to see you go, but I can understand.

I haven't commented on the topic since stating my own experiences because it really doesn't matter, you can't make someone else see your point if they have not witnessed it for themselves.
 
WhtsThFrequency said:
After 6+ years I'm finally getting very tired of SDN. But that is not the point of this thread. Actually, this thread has no point. Those of us who suggest that there is a possibility that MV may *gasp* have changed his views on dogs as living beings and want to make right even a little bit (which NONE of us can say but him) are completely and summarily dismissed. And everyone else can circlejerk about how much they hate him. That's how these threads always go.
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I think this is unfair to an extent.

Yes people can change, but it is the way he has acted that is being judged here. He does NOT act like a person who has accepted he was wrong, just that he got caught.

Do we know his views? No. But I have seen him questioned on the subject many times, and he avoids answering every time, and acts like people are unjustified to question his motives.

Maybe you have seen a different side of the guy. I don't know. But based on what I have seen, it is fair to say he has not shown any signs of contrition that has not been "orchestrated" for him.

I don't doubt he will be an upstanding dog owner now, because he has no other choice. Better than most. And maybe having a family pet can help a lot. I certainly hope so.
 
devyn said:
👍 x 1,000,000

IMO Vick got off easy because he was a celebrity...... he was allowed back into his high paying career long before a regular citizen with the same charges would have been because he was such a good football player.... and the only reason he has been advocating for animals since and apologizing is to make himself look good for his career.... he has no remorse....and I am sorry, but I will never believe that man is fully rehabilitated... I believe he is full of ****e to make himself look good in the public eye....

He should not ever be allowed to own another animal again after what he did to those dogs and I am saddened to see that it is being allowed.....
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👍👍👍 This man is just blowing smoke until such a time as he is not so much in the public eye.

Like some of the others here, I have also worked in shelter situations. It is a heartbreaking endeavor and I salute those that have made a plan for that path.

I also volunteer with a national breed rescue and have done so for the last 6 years. I do get heart weary with these situations as well but I know that no matter what I will ALWAYS be a part of this rescue organization.

I work as a vet nurse and my doc sees quite a few rescue organizations' animals. Sometimes those animals are relinquished because the owner has lost their job or home and it is for the best in that situation. In other instances, "owners" get tired/bored with the animals. The most atrocious are those that have been truly abused whether it is physical, mental or neglectful. These are the ones that make me a raging fury and make my heart ache at the same time

Sometimes it is ignorance or naivity and in those situations, we should educate. I feel like that is one of the most important areas of vet med. I also think that laws need to be toughened across the country. Enough of my $0.02.
 
WhtsThFrequency said:
Christ people.

Teh ex grew up on a hog farm in rural Indiana where it was commonplace to shoot stray animals. He's not some sort of monster, and I was in no way trying to compare the actions of him to MV. That was not the point of the story. His family also breeds Dalmations and they are some of the best cared for dogs I have seen. I didn't even know this until he admitted it to me many, many months after we had started dating, because I noticed he had gone from kind of ignoring my cat to being very affectionate with her and I asked why.

Again, the point of my story is that people, given time and space with the animals they had previously considered worthless, can learn to appreciate them as actual beings. It was not to compare or equivocate shooting stray cats to abusing and fighting dogs. It was to illustrate change.

This is why I should have stayed out of this discussion entirely. Considering this may be one of the last posts I make around here, I'm disappointed it had to be over a subject such as this.
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I do understand what you are saying here WTF. I did not make my comment in order to offend you, but only as a personal reflection.

As inflamed as some of these talks can get, I do think it is a good subject (animal abuse) to discuss.


WTF, please, don't go. I personally have enjoyed reading your comments in the various threads.
 
WhtsThFrequency said:
After 6+ years I'm finally getting very tired of SDN. But that is not the point of this thread. Actually, this thread has no point. Those of us who suggest that there is a possibility that MV may *gasp* have changed his views on dogs as living beings and want to make right even a little bit (which NONE of us can say but him) are completely and summarily dismissed. And everyone else can circlejerk about how much they hate him. That's how these threads always go.
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I started this thread because I knew it was a subject that a lot of people here cared about. I haven't seen people dismissing your views. In fact, several people have agreed with you. I think it is important to discuss controversial topics such as this. This topic is so much larger than Vick and I have really appreciated input from everyone, especially those I disagree with. I really hope you don't leave sdn. You are such a great contributor to this site.
 
I don't know how much of a discussion can be had on it, because it's such an emotional subject and people are unlikely to move from whatever hard line they take. Sort of like abortion.

I didn't mean really to imply that the subject or your posting of it was useless, or that my opinion was singled out, or that it isn't something that should be brought up...but it frustrates me because (at least from what I have seen) no one's mind is really open to changing on the subject; ergo, arguing with no point and everyone gets frustrated. It becomes less of a discussion of salient points and more of an emotional war. As an aside, if I bow out, it'll more be to spend more time studying for boards, perhaps temporary; the internet has become far too much of a waste of my spare time nowadays :/
 
WhtsThFrequency said:
I don't know how much of a discussion can be had on it, because it's such an emotional subject and people are unlikely to move from whatever hard line they take. Sort of like abortion.

I didn't mean really to imply that the subject or your posting of it was useless, or that my opinion was singled out, or that it isn't something that should be brought up...but it frustrates me because (at least from what I have seen) no one's mind is really open to changing on the subject; ergo, arguing with no point and everyone gets frustrated. It becomes less of a discussion of salient points and more of an emotional war. As an aside, if I bow out, it'll more be to spend more time studying for boards, perhaps temporary; the internet has become far too much of a waste of my spare time nowadays :/
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First off, you will be missed if you leave SDN for good.

Second, you did make me consider a side of it I hadn't really. I wouldn't say my mind was changed. But I definitely viewed it differently. It's softened my take on the situation.
 
WhtsThFrequency said:
. As an aside, if I bow out, it'll more be to spend more time studying for boards, perhaps temporary; the internet has become far too much of a waste of my spare time nowadays :/
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good luck.
Certainly a good reason to take a break (although I personally need the distraction or I get even less done it seems.)
 
WhtsThFrequency said:
After 6+ years I'm finally getting very tired of SDN. But that is not the point of this thread. Actually, this thread has no point. Those of us who suggest that there is a possibility that MV may *gasp* have changed his views on dogs as living beings and want to make right even a little bit (which NONE of us can say but him) are completely and summarily dismissed. And everyone else can circlejerk about how much they hate him. That's how these threads always go.
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The tiredest crap ever is "you don't agree with my views and therefore you must not be understanding them." I understand the point you're trying to make and it would be stupid to say that nobody can change ever because of freaking course people can. It's a matter of degree, and I do not think that a person who committed acts of such magnitude against animals as Michael Vick did is going to change their fundamental views on animals. To be able to witness and take part in such acts (and this is just what they are ADMITTING to in a plea bargain!!) as an adult would be...well, to put it in clinical terms...a pretty poor prognostic indicator w/r/t the ability to change, to say the least.

I think this is a good discussion for the most part. Maybe you do need to step away from here for a little bit if it's irritating you that much.
 
You did change my mind a little bit. Before, I was much more about not letting people have pets anymore if they committed animal abuse. I do think now that some of them could change and should get a chance. So I was going to agree with you at first until nyanko (?) listed the things Michael Vick did and I read some articles yesterday. So while some of them should be able to try again, not Michael Vick. Too much in my opinion.
 
StartingoverVet said:
I 😍 this comment!

He found the perfect place for him.... .a classless team, with classless fans, in an urban city with a dogfighting problem.
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Remind me again how the Eagles are a classless team or how you can characterize an entire fanbase? Comments like this only make you seem ignorant.
 
August West said:
Remind me again how the Eagles are a classless team or how you can characterize an entire fanbase? Comments like this only make you seem ignorant.
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Oh please... It is pretty well an accepted fact.. Careful who you are calling ignorant... Biased perhaps.. .accepting general wisdom yes. Ignorant.. Hardly. SHUT your freaking mouth... All you did was slam me personally. Watch it.

Personally I have been to NFL games all over the country, and the Philly fans were definitely the rudest and most hostile to me and my family.. Although I never had the courage to go to a Raiders game..

Anyway.... a quick google search turned up all these articles. Same question doesn;t turn up anything on Giants fans or Steelers fans (2 franchises that are well respected)..



http://coedmagazine.com/2012/01/11/philadelphia-worst-sports-fans/#photo=8

http://www.mkrob.com/the-nfls-most-classless-fans-the-philadelphia-eagles/

http://collegefootblog.wordpress.co...continue-to-prove-theyre-the-worst-in-sports/

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http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Philly fans
 
August West said:
Remind me again how the Eagles are a classless team or how you can characterize an entire fanbase? Comments like this only make you seem ignorant.
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Hahaha did you seriously just call someone ignorant based on a comment about a football team? :laugh: wow I guess trash talking isn't allowed in sports any more.

FYI SOV, I'm beating your ass in FF right now.
 
StartingoverVet said:
Oh please... It is pretty well an accepted fact.. Careful who you are calling ignorant... Biased perhaps.. .accepting general wisdom yes. Ignorant.. Hardly. SHUT your freaking mouth... All you did was slam me personally. Watch it.

Personally I have been to NFL games all over the country, and the Philly fans were definitely the rudest and most hostile to me and my family.. Although I never had the courage to go to a Raiders game..

Anyway.... a quick google search turned up all these articles. Same question doesn;t turn up anything on Giants fans or Steelers fans (2 franchises that are well respected)..



http://coedmagazine.com/2012/01/11/philadelphia-worst-sports-fans/#photo=8

http://www.mkrob.com/the-nfls-most-classless-fans-the-philadelphia-eagles/

http://collegefootblog.wordpress.co...continue-to-prove-theyre-the-worst-in-sports/

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http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Philly fans
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Wow! An anecdotal comment bashing an entire city backed by sports blog entries on a veterinary message board. I retract my comment. It was a valuable contribution. The Eagles are clearly a classless organization relative to the rest of the NFL. And yes, all Philly fans are classless. And your comment certainly furthered the discussion. My apologies. :laugh:
 
Lissarae06 said:
Hahaha did you seriously just call someone ignorant based on a comment about a football team? :laugh: wow I guess trash talking isn't allowed in sports any more.

FYI SOV, I'm beating your ass in FF right now.
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Well, considering that I am an Eagles fan born and raised in Philly surrounded by a family of Philly fans, I might take a little offense to the "classless" characterization. Way to raise the level of discourse on a pre-veterinary message board. 😉
 
August West said:
Well, considering that I am an Eagles fan born and raised in Philly surrounded by a family of Philly fans
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I went to Maryland, where we get a lot of "your fans are nasty and terrible and a stain on sports fandom" from everyone. I always thought of it as just the way we were until I realized just how bad everyone else thinks we are.

Eagles fans have a similar reputation, but as an Eagles fan you probably don't see it from the outside. Which is fine, just don't take it as a personal affront when someone points it out. (And yes, I'm a Skins fan so I have a particular bias against Philly and Dallas and NY. Freely admitted 😀)
 
that redhead said:
I went to Maryland, where we get a lot of "your fans are nasty and terrible and a stain on sports fandom" from everyone. I always thought of it as just the way we were until I realized just how bad everyone else thinks we are.

Eagles fans have a similar reputation, but as an Eagles fan you probably don't see it from the outside. Which is fine, just don't take it as a personal affront when someone points it out. (And yes, I'm a Skins fan so I have a particular bias against Philly and Dallas and NY. Freely admitted 😀)
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I've lived on the west coast where there are rowdy Raiders fans, beatings at Dodgers Stadium and shootings up at Candlestick. I would definitely say that such behavior is widespread and more of an indictment against the culture of professional sports' fans in the US. Still not clear on how the Eagles organization itself can be deemed as "classless". But hey, to each their own. CHeers!!
 
Dammit! I had a lovely post all typed out until my computer when ape. So, now, it's going to be quick a dirty...

I have to agree with SOV. Philadelphia fans are, for the most part, a horrible breed. Perhaps not totally classless; but rude, and acting classless at games for sure. And I'm from NJ - I grew up going to hockey games at Brendon Byrne Arena. THOSE people were terrible! But some of the folks around here make them look like angels...

And nearly forgot: Michael Vick should have never been allowed to return to the NFL. I don't care if he's built a golden dog house for his new furry family member or provides the beast with a golden platform on which to do his/her business.
 
LMMS said:
Dammit! I had a lovely post all typed out until my computer when ape. So, now, it's going to be quick a dirty...

I have to agree with SOV. Philadelphia fans are, for the most part, a horrible breed. Perhaps not totally classless; but rude, and acting classless at games for sure. And I'm from NJ - I grew up going to hockey games at Brendon Byrne Arena. THOSE people were terrible! But some of the folks around here make them look like angels...
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Well now it's settled.

I am sure you have attended countless Eagles games and interacted with tens of thousands of fans at each one. What did they do to you to make you so critically judgemental? Or is it just that you are appalled in general that people act boorish and rude at a football game!!?? Oh my. Such delicate sensibilities we have here. I'm sure the Meadowlands is full of well-mannered, sophisticated Giants fans on Sundays. :laugh: You guys crack this Philly thug up. Thanks for the chuckle.
 
August West said:
Well, considering that I am an Eagles fan born and raised in Philly surrounded by a family of Philly fans, I might take a little offense to the "classless" characterization. Way to raise the level of discourse on a pre-veterinary message board. 😉
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you made it personal. not me. you lowered the discoure not me.

can't deal with the fact you live in a crappy city... get the f*ck out. Time to deal with reality.

Pathetic.

Absolutely pathetic.

Enjoy Michael Vick the dog torturer/killer and his multiple interceptions and fumbles. You deserve each other. I am sure you are so proud.
 
August West said:
I am sure you have attended countless Eagles games and interacted with tens of thousands of fans at each one. What did they do to you to make you so critically judgemental? Or is it just that you are appalled in general that people act boorish and rude at a football game!!?? Oh my. Such delicate sensibilities we have here. I'm sure the Meadowlands is full of well-mannered, sophisticated Giants fans on Sundays. :laugh: You guys crack this Philly thug up. Thanks for the chuckle.
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Read my previous comment. I have attended many eagles game and interacted with their crap fans... I have stopped because I was tired of the bs.

And yes people are much better mannered at nearly every other stadium, and I have visited quite a number of them..

Never saw an eagles fan tell the other boorish fans to stop their behavior, which i have seen at other stadiums. If they did I wouldn't have this judgment.

All you do is take offense.... you have nothing defending your point of view.

Good luck in science. You will do quite well. 😴
 
You think it is a coincidence that the Eagles were the team that took the dog torturer on their team willingly. He didn't have a lot of suitors you know.

What do you think of that? Oh, just a classy organization doing the right thing? Yeah right.
 
maybe next time YOU should think before calling someone ignorant.

You can disagree with me, and make a decent argument.. .I might not agree, but I will respect you. You did neither and you deserve no respect.

WTF made a decent argument in this thread, I don't agree with her completely but I see her point of view.

Reread what was written and think about why you are the ignorant jerk here.
 
StartingoverVet said:
you made it personal. not me. you lowered the discoure not me.

can't deal with the fact you live in a crappy city... get the f*ck out. Time to deal with reality.

Pathetic.

Absolutely pathetic.

Enjoy Michael Vick the dog torturer/killer and his multiple interceptions and fumbles. You deserve each other. I am sure you are so proud.
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So now Philadelphia is a "crappy city"? Such ridiculous, baseless and useless commentary that does not warrant my wasting any more time addressing. Good luck to you!
 
StartingoverVet said:
Read my previous comment. I have attended many eagles game and interacted with their crap fans... I have stopped because I was tired of the bs.

And yes people are much better mannered at nearly every other stadium, and I have visited quite a number of them..

Never saw an eagles fan tell the other boorish fans to stop their behavior, which i have seen at other stadiums. If they did I wouldn't have this judgment.

All you do is take offense.... you have nothing defending your point of view.

Good luck in science. You will do quite well. 😴
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This one was a gem, too!! First of all, if you slowed down long enough to comprehend the post you responded to, you might realize that it wasn't even directed to you. And sorry if I don't feel the need to scientifically disprove an argument that calls an entire population of people "classless" and an entire city "crappy". My professional future seems as bright as ever, thank you. :laugh:
 
StartingoverVet said:
You think it is a coincidence that the Eagles were the team that took the dog torturer on their team willingly. He didn't have a lot of suitors you know.

What do you think of that? Oh, just a classy organization doing the right thing? Yeah right.
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Name one NFL team that has never signed a convict.

Ever hear of Rae Carruth? Michael Irvin? Jamal Lewis? Plaxico Burress? Ray Lewis? Lawrence Taylor? Donte Stallworth? Leonard Little? Sebastian Janikowsi? The list goes on and on... every single team in the NFL is classless according to your logic.
 
StartingoverVet said:
maybe next time YOU should think before calling someone ignorant.

You can disagree with me, and make a decent argument.. .I might not agree, but I will respect you. You did neither and you deserve no respect.

WTF made a decent argument in this thread, I don't agree with her completely but I see her point of view.

Reread what was written and think about why you are the ignorant jerk here.
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You call an entire city classless and crappy and you expect a decent, respectful argument in return? Oh boy... :laugh:
 
twelvetigers said:
Old man fights are the worst.

LIS, you want in on this?
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August West said:
Name one NFL team that has never signed a convict.

Ever hear of Rae Carruth? Michael Irvin? Jamal Lewis? Plaxico Burress? Ray Lewis? Lawrence Taylor? Donte Stallworth? Leonard Little? Sebastian Janikowsi? The list goes on and on... every single team in the NFL is classless according to your logic.
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I think most of us on here put killing and torturing dogs on a different level than being a drug user, or shooting oneself in the leg 🙂laugh🙂, or whatever..

But to give you an idea of what a "class" organization does, the Giant signed someone who had an accusation of spousal abuse, put him on a short leash, assigned a personal counselor (Charles Way) to advise him and when he repeated the behavior even with all that help, dropped him immediately.

In fact they were the first team to assign a full time position to help players deal with pressures outside the football field.

The packers and steelers are a couple of other teams that have reputations as class organizations. There is a reason why an organization gets a reputation, and just because you don't like the Eagles reputation, doesn't change the fact it exists.... and just because the Eagles' fans act crass and boorish and have a reputation for being "classless" doesn't make it untrue....

And you should think about why you personally attacked me, when I brought up a reputation that is widespread. I threw those links there just to demonstrate to you that it is not my "ignorance" that makes that statement but an obviously widely held reputation.

If you don't like the reputation of the Eagles maybe you shouldn't be a fan of the team, instead of attacking other people who hold the opinion. I certainly wouldn't want to be a fan of a team with a reputation like that. Or to be around fans like that. I would be embarassed.

One football game where I went as a visiting fan, some drunk college kids started harassing a group I was with, and some fellow fans told them to shut the hell up and called security.. Said they were an embarassment to the players. that is class. And I have never seen anything like that at eagles games. No, all I see is their fellow Eagles fans egging each other on.

Your continual denials are like this...
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There is a reason "philly fan" is an entry in the urban dictionary in an extremely negative manner. That is the (in my mind deserved) reputation.

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Eagles fan 126 up, 172 down
an eagles fan is one of the most dangerous people you will ever meet. dont dare get caught talking **** on the eagles in front of him/her or expect a punch in the face or a bottle over the head. the only thing more dangerous than an eagles fan is a large group of them, especially while intoxicated. anyone who has attended an eagles game in philly wearing an opposing team's gear will tell you it was the worst mistake of thier life, and that walking onto the 700 level of The Vet with that jersey on was like walking through the gates of hell. eagles fans are known around the league as some of the worst and most feared, by fans AND players. several teams, as well as santa claus himself have been pelted unmercifully by fans with snowballs packed with ice and batteries. if you ever find yourself face to face with an eagles fan just give them a snappy "Go Birds!" and be on your way, anything else is suicide.
hey, look at that eagles fan beating the **** outta that dumb **** with the cowboys jersey on."

Classless sports fans who have turned collective whining into an art form. Best known for pelting Santa Claus with iceballs and booing sick children. Ghoulish houligans who deserve the annual hope-suckage created by the early playoff exits of the Eagles and Flyers.
Clay Aiken is to music what Philly fans are to sports.

If you woke up today in a drunk tank with a black eye, you are likely a Philly fan.


But of course... i am just an ignorant person making this up.
 
StartingoverVet said:
I think most of us on here put killing and torturing dogs on a different level than being a drug user, or shooting oneself in the leg 🙂laugh🙂, or whatever..

But to give you an idea of what a "class" organization does, the Giant signed someone who had an accusation of spousal abuse, put him on a short leash, assigned a personal counselor (Charles Way) to advise him and when he repeated the behavior even with all that help, dropped him immediately.
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Or whatever...? I guess that refers to drunk driving thru a red light and killing a mother of two, weapons charges, standoffs with police, beating spouses, firebombing a business partner, punching a cop, murder, the hiring of two hit men to conduct the execution-style murder of one's pregnant girlfriend, repeat drug charges, bar fights, multiple DUIs, date-rape drug possession, bribery, tampering with a crime scene, indecent exposure, etc. But otherwise, you are correct to say that Philly has the market cornered on criminals in the NFL. :laugh:

Your classy Giants have also boasted a lengthy rapsheet over the years. I can think of a handful just off the top of my head. You're kidding yourself if you think otherwise. And how about that classy QB on your notoriously classy Steelers?

Philadelphia actually has had fewer players arrested in the last decade or so than most other teams:

http://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/20...-has-the-highest-amount-of-arrests-since-2000

I am still laughing at the fact that you are quoting the "Urban Dictionary" as credible scientific-based evidence just to demean an entire city and its occupants. Keep it classy!!
 
August West said:
Well now it's settled.

I am sure you have attended countless Eagles games and interacted with tens of thousands of fans at each one. What did they do to you to make you so critically judgemental? Or is it just that you are appalled in general that people act boorish and rude at a football game!!?? Oh my. Such delicate sensibilities we have here. I'm sure the Meadowlands is full of well-mannered, sophisticated Giants fans on Sundays. :laugh: You guys crack this Philly thug up. Thanks for the chuckle.
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Oh heavens, no. I don't like the Eagles. Why would I spend my hard earned pittance on a ticket to the Link? Blech. You sort of misread what I said. To me it's not just the Eagles fans, it's everyone. I get that the folks here love their sports, but too many of them have an odd way of showing their love and dealing with those of us who are not die hards. And I'm not talking about the elderly guy who I passed on the street last year when I was wearing my Giants sweatshirt and mumbled '&%=$#! Giants' as I passed even though he could barely walk and had to stop his forward momentum in order to catch enough breath to get that out. That made me smile.

I've been to sports venues in NJ, NY, Washington DC, Greeen Bay, Milwaukee, Chicago, Pittsburgh and Seattle. No, not everyone is well behaved. And yes, I've seen more than one ugly scene in other places. However, only in Philly have I been spit on and had my life threatened simply because I have the odassity to wear the opposition's jersey or appear to not be a die hard. Just this summer I had an incident at the ball park because I was wearing my Brewers cap. The guy who threatened to 'tear it from my head and burn it' failed to see I had my Cliff Lee shirt on. I didn't start the conversation nor did I instigate the individual. But when I asked why my hat was an issue when I had on a Phils shirt he tore into me complete with ugly euphemisms and something to the effect that if I didn't remove my cap that he would have to do so forcefully. I had to stop him by explaining that if he so much as tried, he'd need his buddies to carry him home because I would tie his balls in a knot after I kicked his teeth in. Seriously, I was minding my own business standing behind the first base line taking pictures during the first inning and this asshat comes over to start something? Sad on so many levels.

It wasn't the first time and I doubt it will be the last. I truly hate having to defend myself in rude/ugly ways. It ruins the experience. I love sports and understand having love for a team or a city's group of teams. I just wish the folks here could find better ways to do it. That's all.
 
August West said:
Well now it's settled.

I am sure you have attended countless Eagles games and interacted with tens of thousands of fans at each one. What did they do to you to make you so critically judgemental? Or is it just that you are appalled in general that people act boorish and rude at a football game!!?? Oh my. Such delicate sensibilities we have here. I'm sure the Meadowlands is full of well-mannered, sophisticated Giants fans on Sundays. :laugh: You guys crack this Philly thug up. Thanks for the chuckle.
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Not a football fan here at all, but I thought this comment was funny coming from the person who got so upset in the first place. :laugh:
 
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