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I went to go fill out my Michigan secondary and I see from the status page that they've already offered me an interview. Is this a mistake? All they have is my AMCAS and MCATS but nothing else. They havent asked me to send in LORs. Im confused but if its a mistake I feel I should tell them.
 
They did the same thing for several other SDNers this year. I don't think it's a mistake.
 
When did you submit your AMCAS and how long has it been verified? I saw submit your secondary this weekend and give them a call on Monday to find out what happened.
 
AMCAS was verified in late September...August MCAT scores just came in though. I just sent in the secondary today and I'll wait until I get a letter about the interview.
 
Don't wait apparantly slots for interviews fill up if you wait till you get the letter.

How did you fill in the extracurricular activites part? I keep on going over the limit for length.
 
Yeah that part is a pain. I just abbreviated as best as I could. "Hosp" "hr/wk" etc....it took me awhile though to come up w/ a set of abbreviations that could be decoded -- there is just not enough space there! anyway i just interviewed there, so don't worry about making it perfect... mine sure wasn't!
 
Yeah i am just hoping that the abbrev that I come up with can be decicphered. How long did it take till you got an interview after you submitted your secondary?
 
How long after your AMCAS app was verified did you get an invite to fill out the secondary? If you got an auto interview do you mind sharing your stats? I understand if you don't feel comfortable...just wondering😀
 
Originally posted by Xega
Yeah i am just hoping that the abbrev that I come up with can be decicphered. How long did it take till you got an interview after you submitted your secondary?

secondary submitted: end of July
interview invite: mid August
interviewed: mid October
acceptance: today! end of October

I'm out of state as well.
 
Yeah, could you please tell us your numbers that got you an automatic interview? Thanks - good job!
 
Originally posted by Lux Aeterna
secondary submitted: end of July
interview invite: mid August
interviewed: mid October
acceptance: today! end of October

I'm out of state as well.

Sweet, congrats. :clap:
Hope to repeat your performance, but next month.
 
Originally posted by tennis23
Yeah, could you please tell us your numbers that got you an automatic interview? Thanks - good job!

I didn't get an automatic interview (PM me if you want my numbers). Instead I got a LOR and secondary request which was used for further screening.

What I have heard about the automatic interviews is that if you are in state w/ a 3.8 and a 33+ you automatically get one. And if you are out of state, I assume those numbers have you be higher... All the people on SDN who got automatic interviews were probably in the 3.7-4.0 gpa range with a 35+ MCAT. That's just speculation on my part.

edited to add-- I just realized you were probably referring to the OP! sorry!
 
I visited U of M last year and they said that if you have above a certain average MCAT score, then you are guarenteed an interview. I believe it was if you are above a 33 (or avg 11 three times).
 
I can confirm that for an out-of-stater. I fit in that category and I recieved an automatic invite. PM me if you want my exact stats also.
 
Congrats Lux!

I also got my UMich acceptance this week 🙂
 
Congrats to all the folks with acceptances!

I do hope you give Michigan careful consideration, because I think this place rocks. I have yet to find a flaw, and that's WITH the new curriculum!
 
Sunny,

As a first year, what are your thoughts on the new curriculum? At my interview there I talked w/a lot of MS2's and 3's but apparently the ms1's had exams that day and were mia...🙂

also, i've been hearing quite a bit about rankings mattering for academic medicine. any thoughts of whether u mich provides a good springboard for someone considering academic medicine w/a straight m.d.?

thanks for your thoughts...🙂
 
I'll try to answer your question briefly (besides surfing SDN I do study). Beware of what the M2's told you about the new curriculum. Whenever I do tours with them, they get stuff wrong, which isn't their fault (stuff is just constantly changing as plans become more defined).

1) I like the new curriculum. Compared to previous years, we aren't in class as much and we have nice small group sessions weekly. In fact, we have the same small group and leader for two years, which makes it very much a family type atmosphere (lame as that sounds). Organizing things by systems makes a lot more sense than just learning all the biochem of the body seperately from everything else. It provides a framework for things. Plus, as we go along they make us realize that we are slowly becoming able to diagnose things, which would be a lot harder on a non-system curriculum I imagine.
2) There have been a few small logistical errors (nothing more than mildly annoying for a lecture or two), but the administration is REALLY friendly, and quick to try to fix things.
3) This doesn't have to do with the curriculum, but I think a lot of our professors rock. Seriously, they are the type of people who I want to be like. The pathology professor is the same guy that has taught EVERY SINGLE WORKING MICHIGAN DOCTOR. Think about that. Although he's in his late 70's I think, he's more active and in better shape than my parents (much younger). Its nice to have teachers you have on a regular basis who are good role models.
4) Also unrelated to the curriculum, profs in different departments often have people over at their houses. I've only gone to two, but both are members of the Institute of Medicine (pretty select group of physicians) and are well known. I think its pretty cool.
5) As for academia. Hmm. I'm from the south and had no intention of leaving unless I found a school I really liked that was really good (and got in obviously). I'm not sure if I want to go into academia, but I want to leave that option open. Yes, I know a lot of people who are very interested in research already, which is probably a larger group than your run of the mill state school. As for rankings. I dunno. If you want to think along the lines of of good undergrad -> good med school -> good residency -> good fellowship -> success in academia, then yes, Michigan is great. Unlike certain places that definitely want people going into academia, Michigan leaves the option open. If you do so decide to go in that direction, I don't think you'll run out of resources. Just about all our departments are amongst the top in the country, so you'll give yourself a boost. On the other hand, if you are a really amazing person, then you can go to your state school and still get an amazing residency. (As a side note, don't use your undergrad performance to gauge this.......med school...not just at Michigan.... has turned a lot of people's worlds upside down).
6) Ideally, if you knew exactly what field you wanted to go into, you could go to the school that has the best department, but most people I know are pretty undecided or know that they will most likely change their minds. Don't find yourself in a situation where all the other departments are unable to assist you in your goals if you decide to go into a different field.
7) Another thing on the new curriculum, our second year is shorter (we take the boards pretty early) and we start 3rd year earlier. THe goal? So that we can do more electives, specifically in 3rd year. I'm looking forward to that.....

I think that's all. Let me know if you have any other questions....
 
I guess this question is for lux and tezzie. what days did you interview? i thought michigan only sends out acceptances on the 15th of each month. thanks for the info
 
Originally posted by SunnyS81
Congrats to all the folks with acceptances!

I do hope you give Michigan careful consideration, because I think this place rocks. I have yet to find a flaw, and that's WITH the new curriculum!
it's not winter yet
 
Ignore SP. It should be no surprise to anyone that Ann Arbor isn't LA. But he brings up a valid point, it does get cold. I'm from Atlanta, but I've lived in the midwest before, so I'm not fearful. If you fear the cold, this probably isn't the best place for you. The only place the southern cal kids will be happy is in southern cal or in florida in terms of weather.
 
i bring a valid point but you want others to ignore me? come on dude, you gotta bring it real, the good and the bad. you can't be a homer like some of these other cheerleaders around here making their school seem like heaven on earth. personally, that kind of nonsense really turned me off to the other school i was seriously considering.

i'm a cynical guy but i think the school does a good job, and i don't have any big complaints. i do have a few annoyances though, mostly with the weekly quizzes and the type of questions we are tested on. i already wrote a lot about what i like about the school so i'll focus on what i don't like.

i don't know if i'm just being unrealistic about what medical school is like around the country, but i'd like to have at least one or two weekends off a month. those weekly quizzes screw that up for a lot of people, unless you want to study hard every night during the weekday. but then again there's good with the bad... it prevents me from getting overwhelmed during end of block exams.

i think the type of questions that show up on exams are extremely petty. for example, 2 months ago we learned enzymes... all the basics like km, michaelis-menton, etc... you know, all the conceptual stuff. then on the exam we get some BS like "what is methotrexate?" that was a 100% BS memorization/detail having to do with pharmacology but not about enzymes. (btw it's an example of a competitive inhibitor)

i also think the school does a poor job of letting us know what our schedule is gonna be down the line. i know we have the new curriculum and all, but they've been planning this thing for YEARS and we're STILL going a month at a time. now granted, it's not like they haven't figured out ANYTHING for the next month... it's just the schedule of classes that's really uncertain, but nonetheless, it's annoying.

also, the grading thing in m2 is asinine. stanford has no grades for ALL 4 YEARS yet they match VERY competitively. if michigan wants to claim itself as "one of the top medical schools in the country" then maybe they should put their money where their mouth is and trust their students a little more with the p/f option at least in m2.

anyway, having said all that, i am very happy i came to michigan and i think the school really does try to listen to its students. the curriculum is nice, although i can't really compare it to other medical schools for obvious reasons. there are a ton of resources on the web (check our the anatomy page for a sampling), and they seem to have designed a lot of things to make our life easier. i really do appreciate that and i definitely think students here have it pretty easy, in terms of convenience and not having to deal with a lot of BS. anyway, i hope that helps.
 
i heard that umich was going to p/f for m2s also...this isn't true?

and - saturdays at the big house = priceless
 
Originally posted by Steinway
i heard that umich was going to p/f for m2s also...this isn't true?

and - saturdays at the big house = priceless
no, it's not gonna happen. there was some talk within the class about whether we would even want one, and only half the class did. believe it or not, some people in the administration actually want p/f. go figure.

and yes, saturdays at the big house are always awesome. i can only compare it to football at the rose bowl, but it's truly an awesome experience. i don't know how great it is if you're not a sportsfan though. a classmate of mine went last week (when we trashed purdue like a rag doll) and she didn't have nearly as much fun as i did. having to sit in the non-student section might have had something to do with it 🙂
 
Hey all,

I don't mean to change the subject, as much as I love college football😍 , but I do have a U of M- related question: does anyone know if UMich has started interviewing in-staters yet? More specifically, in my case, in-staters without obscenely stellar numbers (if there's hope for us at all)? Any info would be appreciated! Thanks!!:clap:
 
I don't know about stats but in-staters have been interviewing ever since the first Friday.
 
does michigan reject anybody post-interview? im wondering because im on the waitlist now and want to assess my chances- are they really selective in who they put on the waitlist, or are we just the "leftovers"? i feel realy helpless at this point in the process and wish i could get more info on my status...
 
Originally posted by Street Philosopher
no, it's not gonna happen. there was some talk within the class about whether we would even want one, and only half the class did. believe it or not, some people in the administration actually want p/f. go figure.

and yes, saturdays at the big house are always awesome. i can only compare it to football at the rose bowl, but it's truly an awesome experience. i don't know how great it is if you're not a sportsfan though. a classmate of mine went last week (when we trashed purdue like a rag doll) and she didn't have nearly as much fun as i did. having to sit in the non-student section might have had something to do with it 🙂


that's weird - most of the students i talked to were quite confident that your class would be p/f and ours would definitely be. but then again that was in september...

and i do share the concern about quizzes every monday killing the weekends...how many ppl actually take them on fridays anyway?

btw - i may be coming up for the osu game if i can get a decent ticket price AND the big 10 championship is on the line...i wanna check out apts and see if the michigan winters are as bad as they say..
 
Originally posted by Steinway
that's weird - most of the students i talked to were quite confident that your class would be p/f and ours would definitely be. but then again that was in september...

and i do share the concern about quizzes every monday killing the weekends...how many ppl actually take them on fridays anyway?

btw - i may be coming up for the osu game if i can get a decent ticket price AND the big 10 championship is on the line...i wanna check out apts and see if the michigan winters are as bad as they say..
Steinway,

I have no idea why anyone would be "confident" in getting P/F. There was never any serious talk about it, more like students wondering if they want to push for it or not. However, this might point out how much the administration values student input... they've been pretty good about listening to our concerns and making some changes, so perhaps some of our classmates got a little overconfident in their lobbying abilities. 🙂

I'm not sure how many people take the quiz on Friday, but some do. I'll tell you this though, if you want to take it on Friday, you're gonna have to do some serious studying throughout the week. It's not an easy thing to do. I've tried and failed every week... always ended up taking it Sunday night or in the wee hours of Monday morning. I think a reasonable goal is Saturday afternoon or evening... but I have never been able to take it that early either. But then again I'm not exactly a typical umich student...

About the Michigan/OSU game... it's gonna be hard to find tickets, but if you can score some, that'll be awesome. We'll see about the Michigan winters... the fall is actually pretty nice!
 
the quizzes don't kill every weekend if you keep up during the week. moreover, the 75% pass/fail thing is nice in that regard. i study a fair amount during the week (~4hrs/day outside of class. except in musculoskeletal, which sucks up every minute right now) and i also work at a part-time job on the weekends... and i usually take the quizzes saturday afternoon-ish. sometimes (like the harder sequence we're in right now) i'm also up to the line on sunday night/monday morning taking it. moreover, the over-the-weekend quizzes and exams allow for flexibility in terms of travel. an easy week/sequence could allow you to either take the quiz/test on friday and leave for the weekend, or leave for the weekend and take the thing sunday night when you get back.

additionally, as sp also pointed out, the weekly (sometimes bi-weekly) quizzes force you to keep up and continuously assess whether or not you're doing enough work, so that you're not completely buried when the exam comes at the end of the block.

m1 is all pass/fail, but, as sp also said, m2 - m4 = honors/high pass/pass/fail.
 
Originally posted by Street Philosopher
and yes, saturdays at the big house are always awesome. i can only compare it to football at the rose bowl, but it's truly an awesome experience. i don't know how great it is if you're not a sportsfan though. a classmate of mine went last week (when we trashed purdue like a rag doll) and she didn't have nearly as much fun as i did. having to sit in the non-student section might have had something to do with it 🙂

sp forgot to mention that that classmate isn't really a sports fan at all, and attended the game with her stepmom (a sports fan and a purdue grad) and her father (a sports fan and a michigan state graduate) because it was free for her. 😉

the classmate in question isn't too sure the lack of enthusiasm on her part had anything to do with student/nonstudent section, though, because as an undergrad, attending umich, she was vomited on in the student section at the first and only football game she went to, and didn't find that to be fun at all. 😛

the same classmate was entertained for a while (maybe 30minutes or so) watching the game, but the entertainment wore off as she was annoyed by being shoved between very large, drunk people, hearing grown adults scream f*ck this and f*ck that, in front of small children, and waiting in long long lines to get where she wanted to go. the wave was cool, though. 😀 this classmate is, likely, more of a basketball fan, and really just goes to collegiate sporting events like these (and bball games, on occasion) to spend time with her dad, who really likes to go. 🙂
 
The same thing happened to me. I sent my AMCAS application and MCAT scores to UMMS in mid-August. A week later I received two e-mails simultaneously: one requested that I fill out the secondary, the other that I send letters of recommendation. When I checked the website I learned that I had been granted an interview.

I suspect that people who are offerred interviews in this fashion have a guaranteed spot in the entering class. My interviews were all very laidback and conversational. No stress. I was notified of my acceptance 48 hrs after the interview.
 
The weekend quizzes do suck, however the alternatives aren't better:

1) From talking with friends at other schools, the block exam schedule allows you to slack off for about a week or so, but it sucks your soul for the 3 weeks before the exam. I prefer the somewhat steady rate of learning, but to each their own.

2) You DO have the option to take the weekend off. Plenty of people in our class take it on Fridays when they want to go out of town. Heck, some are doing it for our exam this weekend. A failure to take advantage of this option is an individual's decision and doesn't reflect the policy of the school (I think before last year everyone took it Monday morning, which was far worse).

3) The old school method of quizzes on Friday or Monday would wreck your weekend too.

4) The scheduling of things ahead is annoying. If you really have a concern though about a specific plan, then you can always ask the counselor who has the most up to date schedule. From what I hear, they basically don't want to give out even a temp schedule because they don't want people complaining when it changes.

5) SP's complaints about the test questions and pass/fail are legit, however, they are expected. From talking with alumni, former residents, and faculty at other med schools in Atlanta, I've was explicitly told "Michigan is not an easy school," and "You could have gone to a lot of easier places." From what I understand, Michigan grads don't match well just because of the Michigan name, but rather because people think we have gone through a rigourous training (which is reflected in the US News residency director ranking). I think the school's philosophy is more centered around, "Kick your rear end for four years to make you the best doctor you can be" than "spoon feed the stuff to you and make your education a pleasurable experience." Depends on your mindset. I like that philosophy (which was the same as my undergrad's), but I'm gimp like that. They do everything to facilliate your learning, but they will try to push you to new limits. Remember, with a class mcat average of a 34+ and gpa around 3.78, the people in our class definitely have some room to be challenged compared to their undergrad experiences. Our 3rd year is supposed to be pretty intense compared to other schools, some of which rarely take call for example. So, if you want to get pushed to your limits to be your best, come here, else go elsewhere. Yeah, there are trivial questions on some tests, but how else are you going to not end up with everyone getting a 100% (the class avg. on the test SP cites was an 88% by the way.....apparently the questions weren't too off the wall.......and most our quizzes avg around 90%).

Just my $.02.
 
i just wanted to comment that someone earlier said that a 33 is an autoinvite and i applied and completed the secondary etc. a while ago with a 34 and i haven't heard a peep about an interview so i don't know that that's strictly true. maybe that's for instaters or something. just fyi. and thanks for all the input all you current MS's.
 
yes yes, all good points, i admit. i agree especially with sunny's admission that he's a gimp. :laugh: seriously though, sunny and goodmonkey make valid points. it's possible to take the weekend off. in truth, the reason why i take quizzes monday morning is because i don't study enough during the week, and because saturday is completely devoted to college football. but ummm... come on, let me whine!

and the quiz about methotrexate... 70 people failed that quiz, out of a class of 170. so i'm not alone in thinking that quiz was BULLPUCKY! but yeah, the avg for the entire module was still ridiculously high. there are too many smart people here. 🙁 alright, back to rohen's. 🙁? 🙂? ...🙁.
 
1) For the guy with a 34, the 33 mcat and whatever GPA is for instate only. For reference, half the class is out of state, and if you assume that it is more competitive to get in out of state (which I think is a fair assumption), then the out of state average is probably higher than 33. Good luck though.

2) SP, I got the LOWEST GRADE IN THE CLASS ON THAT QUIZ, so STOP WHINING! I got a big fat 48%, and if you beat that, let me know. I had to rock the final after that to pass, so I don't want to hear anything about "oh that question was SOOO hard."

By the way, I hope everyone is enjoying the ideas put forth by GoodMonkey, SP, and myself for your educational value. I hope you feel more confident in making your decision to come here as a result, since its a pretty significant investment (more than many houses).
 
Sure it costs more than many houses, but you get to stay at the BIG HOUSE on Saturdays. 😎

PS: Rohen is so awesome. Anatomy still sucks, however.
 
Can someone please post the U. of Michigan med school secondary exactly the way it's worded? I expect to get a secondary from that school soon and want to get a head start on it. Thanks.

Alexander
 
Originally posted by Street Philosopher

i think the type of questions that show up on exams are extremely petty. for example, 2 months ago we learned enzymes... all the basics like km, michaelis-menton, etc... you know, all the conceptual stuff. then on the exam we get some BS like "what is methotrexate?" that was a 100% BS memorization/detail having to do with pharmacology but not about enzymes. (btw it's an example of a competitive inhibitor)

I get the impression it is like this everywhere. A good 25% of the questions on any given OHSU exam are incredibly nit-picky factoids about obscure minutiae that were mentioned in an off-hand way in the margins of the notes. There are also always a handful of questions that cannot be answered using either the notes or whatever was discussed in lecture, because you are expected to do outside reading and somehow stumble across these things on your own. As a result, the only successful study tactic is simply to completely memorize the notes word-for-word and then just cross your fingers.
 
Originally posted by Street Philosopher
and the quiz about methotrexate... 70 people failed that quiz, out of a class of 170. so i'm not alone in thinking that quiz was BULLPUCKY! but yeah, the avg for the entire module was still ridiculously high. there are too many smart people here. 🙁 alright, back to rohen's. 🙁? 🙂? ...🙁.

hahahaha :laugh: bullpucky! hahaha BULLPUCKY!
you know that my mom wouldn't let us say "crap" or "piss" in our house growing up and in place of bull crap she made us (er, forcefully SUGGESTED to) use bullpucky instead. :laugh:

i'm delerious.
 
oh, i'm totally loving the good cop / bad cop presentation of UM. i really enjoyed the interview day, but it was my first and the initial elation of getting in is wearing off as i realize 1) i'll have a decision to make and 2) i'll actually have to make it in march/april/may.

so to summarize, low chances of going P/F both preclinical years. high chance of getting butt kicked (at least relative so a few other top schools - yale and NW come to mind). high chance of being respected for surviving, thriving.

however, now that it is november and some degree of crunch time, are both/either of you still having fun? occasionally remembering that you are 23-24 (assumption, sorry) years old?

thanks
 
well, i thoroughly enjoy saturdays for obvious reasons. it's really a huge benefit of being here. other than this particular module, which is pretty damn intense, i've had a lot more free time than i thought i would. so i'd have plenty of time to go lifting, play tennis, etc. the schedule and out of class resources really make this not only possible, but feasible. this week absolutely SUCKS, but just a few days ago i spent friday partying for halloween and saturday watching michigan beat the hell out of state. during the weekday i took 3 nights off in a row (absolutely no studying) just to watch the first week of the nba season. so yeah, there's plenty of time... just not this week. 🙁
 
What about nightlife/restaurants/bars/clubs ?

I am aware of the local film festival but i would like to learn a bit more about the nightlife 🙂
 
I wouldn't be the best to answer your question about nightlife, but obviously the nightlife here isn't going to be as great as in LA or NY. I don't think Ann Arbor has many nightclubs. I just went to a small one for Halloween, but I think that might be more of a lounge type thing usually. I think nearby Ypsilanti, which is just about 3-5 miles away, has some more clubs.

There are tons of bars here though. There's also a good number of restaurants, but again, nothing compared to a big city. Personally, I feel like the options are kind of limited, but then again, I haven't explored it all yet.

Maybe someone who's been here longer than I, and is into the nightlife scene, can answer better. 🙂
 
Oh yeah, I just received an email this morning telling us that the exact date for Second Look Weekend is apparently NOT set yet. So don't buy your plane tickets just yet!
 
Originally posted by SunnyS81

By the way, I hope everyone is enjoying the ideas put forth by GoodMonkey, SP, and myself for your educational value. I hope you feel more confident in making your decision to come here as a result, since its a pretty significant investment (more than many houses).

definitely appreciate the input - thanks!

i'm also interested in hearing more about the nightlife..and how cohesive is a class of 170?
 
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