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Hey yall, not sure what to say here other than I am stressed as most of us are. I am a reapplicant, and have worked my tail off to address all the deficiencies of my application. my MCAT and GPA have not changed from last year, I have tried to improve my application via my writing, experiences and applying early. I know the odds of getting an interview because of my stats are slim, but I can't help but feel frustrated by the circumstances. I have resigned myself to the fact that I will have to take the MCAT again. I hate this stupid thing, and it frustrates me to no end that I know what I am capable of but have no way to prove it other than the MCAT.

Because I can't quit my job (bills to pay lol) I will have to study over 6ish months and try to take it in late May. If I happen to get in before then, I would obviously stop studying. I am applying to 48 MD schools. I know my stats are low, but I would HOPE thats applying broad enough. Just feels like I am screaming into a void and the void is silent.
 
Keep your chin up, M. You're fighting to achieve your dream and I respect that. Keep on improving and one day we'll be calling you Dr. M! Good luck this cycle.
 
Looking at your post history, I worry you may be hitting your head against a rock. Have you applied broadly to DO?

You mentioned ADHD and a physical disability. Have you gotten MCAT accommodations? If not, start the process right now. A high MCAT would be the only saving grace for your uGPA.
 
It's not too late to apply to DO schools if you have not done so already. The unfortunate aspect is that most MD schools only have some leeway with regards to low stats and reinvention. If you are applying with a 503, usually it is a very mission-specific school or an SMP with some sort of guaranteed linkage.
 
That would be my first step in my MCAT prep, getting the accommodations and using Uworld.

My biggest gripe with the test is that I scored a 513 10 days prior to the real deal and was consistently scoring around there. It always feels like when it comes to high yield and low yield stuff on the MCAT, I'm always stuck with low yield topics on the real deal. I figure that I should use all my resource for one last attempt to make sure I exhausted every option before I say I've done everything I could.
 
Previously

It has been 2 years, so I don't recall exactly when you took your MCAT, but has it expired for many of the 40+ schools you applied to?

You were advised 2 years ago to apply to DO schools. You came out of an SMP with a 3.9x gGPA. You should have the support of the SMP faculty. But again, it's now 2 years... what advice have you gotten from them?
 
I'm holding out hope for you. Maybe your path takes you way longer than you expected, but these feelings—this tension—that's what's going to motivate you to get to wherever you're going. It took me 10 years—after dropping out of college. And I still ended up with a 506.

Today, I interviewed at an Ivy. Toward the end of the interview, the faculty said "I'm rating your application after this conversation and I'm just overwhelmed knowing how much you deserve to be here. I want to congratulate you on making it." I just about shed a tear, because the truth is that they only know the tip of the iceberg.

Nobody saw me scratching myself into a nervous rash at 3 AM last night. Nobody counted the meals I missed, or the opportunities forgone over the course of the last decade in order to pursue what, at the time, was objectively a (quite delusional) dream.

You can still do this. It might not look the way you want, and you might have to eat a lot of BS to make it, but it is your path. Own it.

I genuinely believe pursuing medicine is a long (long long long) game. If you want to play, get in: applying this year was immeasurably harder than the admissions process I was looking at 10 years ago. Don't dance around this process endlessly because you figure you may want to be some ultra-niche specialist someday.

Take it from me: when you're young, you think you have your whole life ahead of you and you want to do everything just the way you imagined. Reality plays by different rules, and the opportunity is not guaranteed to return.

If you can, apply DO and actually accept an acceptance if you receive one. If you keep dancing, you might permanently miss your chance to be a neurosurgeon—or any kind of physician for that matter. Don't let all of this extra education and effort be invalidated by ego.
 
If you keep dancing, you might permanently miss your chance to be a neurosurgeon—or any kind of physician for that matter. Don't let all of this extra education and effort be invalidated by ego.
Neurosurgery is wild to try and get into, but if OP has a genuine interest in it, I honestly think they will face less of a hurdle getting into a neurosurgery residency as a DO than they would fighting for an MD with their current stats. I don't have their full application, but if this interest is something that comes through in their writing, I think it has a negative impact. Few adcoms will look at an applicant with a less than 510 MCAT and that academic history and think "Yeah, this guy is gonna be competitive for neurosurgery". Neurosurgery also values research so much and OP has no real research experience from what I saw. OP gives no reason to think they would succeed in that pursuit at the current moment, which is why I think it may be hard with the MD (and just how much a ****show current MD admissions are).

Now, if they get into a DO (hell maybe even look into a DO/PhD), OP can reinvent themselves and start from scratch. Yes it is still uphill, but less than I think it may be for MD at this moment. Either route they take, if they want to be a physician they need to maximize their chances of getting into a program before starting to say "I wanna be a neurosurgeon".
 
Neurosurgery is wild to try and get into, but if OP has a genuine interest in it, I honestly think they will face less of a hurdle getting into a neurosurgery residency as a DO than they would fighting for an MD with their current stats. I don't have their full application, but if this interest is something that comes through in their writing, I think it has a negative impact. Few adcoms will look at an applicant with a less than 510 MCAT and that academic history and think "Yeah, this guy is gonna be competitive for neurosurgery". Neurosurgery also values research so much and OP has no real research experience from what I saw. OP gives no reason to think they would succeed in that pursuit at the current moment, which is why I think it may be hard with the MD (and just how much a ****show current MD admissions are).

Now, if they get into a DO (hell maybe even look into a DO/PhD), OP can reinvent themselves and start from scratch. Yes it is still uphill, but less than I think it may be for MD at this moment. Either route they take, if they want to be a physician they need to maximize their chances of getting into a program before starting to say "I wanna be a neurosurgeon".
Thank you for your insight.

I now have over 2000 hours of research experience in neurosurgery and neurology and counting. I also spent the last two years as a TA teaching clinical reasoning at my SMP leading clinical based discussions that I myself crafted. To be frank, Neurosurgery is the thing that scratches the itch for me. I have a VP shunt and since I could talk, it has been the coolest thing in my opinion, not because it is neurosurgery, but because of what it can do. I am not interested in neurosurgery for clout or prestige, I am interested in it because of my ties to it, and what I have seen.

I get I screwed up in college, and if I could go back and change it, I would, but I can't. Part of my hand has been dealt already, so I have to play with what I have. That being said, I am not the person I was 10 years ago, and I know that I can succeed at my goal, not only because I succeeded in my SMP, but because I know what I need to do, and, unlike last time, there are no more second chances.
 
Previously

It has been 2 years, so I don't recall exactly when you took your MCAT, but has it expired for many of the 40+ schools you applied to?

You were advised 2 years ago to apply to DO schools. You came out of an SMP with a 3.9x gGPA. You should have the support of the SMP faculty. But again, it's now 2 years... what advice have you gotten from them?
I have close ties with my SMP advisor, as I worked under him post graduation. He is sympathetic to my frustrations and agrees that my MCAT score does not match my true talent. He even does interviews with the school my SMP is associated with.
 
Hey yall, not sure what to say here other than I am stressed as most of us are. I am a reapplicant, and have worked my tail off to address all the deficiencies of my application. my MCAT and GPA have not changed from last year, I have tried to improve my application via my writing, experiences and applying early. I know the odds of getting an interview because of my stats are slim, but I can't help but feel frustrated by the circumstances. I have resigned myself to the fact that I will have to take the MCAT again. I hate this stupid thing, and it frustrates me to no end that I know what I am capable of but have no way to prove it other than the MCAT.

Because I can't quit my job (bills to pay lol) I will have to study over 6ish months and try to take it in late May. If I happen to get in before then, I would obviously stop studying. I am applying to 48 MD schools. I know my stats are low, but I would HOPE thats applying broad enough. Just feels like I am screaming into a void and the void is silent.
Applying to 48 med schools is foolish.

You'll simply burn yourself out in writing secondaries.

You're dead in the water for MD schools with two MCAT scores like yours.

Apply broadly to DO schools.
 
Thank you for your insight.

I now have over 2000 hours of research experience in neurosurgery and neurology and counting. I also spent the last two years as a TA teaching clinical reasoning at my SMP leading clinical based discussions that I myself crafted. To be frank, Neurosurgery is the thing that scratches the itch for me. I have a VP shunt and since I could talk, it has been the coolest thing in my opinion, not because it is neurosurgery, but because of what it can do. I am not interested in neurosurgery for clout or prestige, I am interested in it because of my ties to it, and what I have seen.

I get I screwed up in college, and if I could go back and change it, I would, but I can't. Part of my hand has been dealt already, so I have to play with what I have. That being said, I am not the person I was 10 years ago, and I know that I can succeed at my goal, not only because I succeeded in my SMP, but because I know what I need to do, and, unlike last time, there are no more second chances.
All those things are great, but still wouldn’t give an adcom confidence about STEP scores strong enough to succeed. I believe you’re going into things for all the rights reasons and I’m sure others think so as well, but that won’t help you if the adcoms don’t think you can score high enough to be competitive. And competitive for them isn’t a 513.
 
All those things are great, but still wouldn’t give an adcom confidence about STEP scores strong enough to succeed. I believe you’re going into things for all the rights reasons and I’m sure others think so as well, but that won’t help you if the adcoms don’t think you can score high enough to be competitive. And competitive for them isn’t a 513.
I’m assuming you mean a 503 lol, I would kill for a 513
 
I’m assuming you mean a 503 lol, I would kill for a 513
No, most schools average scores so a 513 isn’t competitive for you now. If you’re dead set on MD look into schools that super score it or only look at your most recent.
 
Neurosurgery is wild to try and get into, but if OP has a genuine interest in it, I honestly think they will face less of a hurdle getting into a neurosurgery residency as a DO than they would fighting for an MD with their current stats. I don't have their full application, but if this interest is something that comes through in their writing, I think it has a negative impact. Few adcoms will look at an applicant with a less than 510 MCAT and that academic history and think "Yeah, this guy is gonna be competitive for neurosurgery". Neurosurgery also values research so much and OP has no real research experience from what I saw. OP gives no reason to think they would succeed in that pursuit at the current moment, which is why I think it may be hard with the MD (and just how much a ****show current MD admissions are).

Now, if they get into a DO (hell maybe even look into a DO/PhD), OP can reinvent themselves and start from scratch. Yes it is still uphill, but less than I think it may be for MD at this moment. Either route they take, if they want to be a physician they need to maximize their chances of getting into a program before starting to say "I wanna be a neurosurgeon".

We can't say numbers aren't everything and then bash people's head in with numbers. I think you and I have been here long enough to know that the meta "game" of admissions goes way beyond that and in reality is much more difficult than most applicants realize.

It's just my opinion, but I think OP can shoot for MD in some future. It will take an MCAT retake, 4+ additional years of interesting experiences, and some impressive accolades that they don't already have. They will need to stand out in ways nobody else has before, and that's a really tall order considering this is the most challenging trans-academic contest that exists in professional education.

The problem is that the opportunities to do so, the stability to execute it, and the rewards of overcoming absurd statistical challenges are not guaranteed. So it's not that OP "can't" do it cognitively... it's just not accessible or worth it for 99.9% of people in this particular situation. It's not fair, but that's life.

With regard to NSGY in particular, it's mostly a red herring because most students change their mind. I agree with you insofar as waxing poetic about The Most Highly Compensated Prestigious Specialty(™) is probably not the best choice optics-wise because it is so competitive and the inroads to medicine for this particular applicant don't lend themselves to presenting in that way.

The file is just not externally consistent like you said, and it is a problem because if OP has no desire to become a physician outside of the desire to do NSGY, the adcom might feel like they are doing OP a kindness by rejecting them. If OP will not match NSGY and would be devastated scrambling into FM at a malignant program despite all of the red flags... caveat emptor, as the Sheriff of Sodium says.

There is such a thing as doors closing in this profession, but it's hard to tell because you can't physically watch them close. The opportunity just never materializes and you realize it all after you've done all the work and overextended yourself in ways you didn't think possible.

Ultimately, I don't know OP's situation, but I do know I've been through pretty harsh times and it never got any easier all by itself. I had to make hard choices and often fell short of what I pictured for myself, sometimes devastatingly so.

It's just time for them to make a hard choice. It could be the best one they ever make, or could absolutely ruin their lives in ways that I would find personally impossible to cope with. But who knows. My risk tolerance is different from theirs, and yours, and everyone else's.
 
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I’m bashing the numbers in because as they presented themselves their current numbers are their biggest obstacle. OP needs to prove to admissions they are not a risk academically based upon their history, which is the point of the MCAT in this scenario. Also, in an applicant pool full of people without those mistakes it’s so easy to overlook this app if there is nothing standout on it.

Nothing to say they can’t get in the future, but they’re in the middle of an application cycle with no way to change those stats for this cycle. They could also get an II today and it won’t matter, but MD is a tall order. I still think they can become a physician through DO now, but that’s up to them to decide. If they are dedicated to it they can also definitely go neurosurgery from that route, it’ll be harder, but it’s there.
 
I have a slightly lower MCAT (502) and higher GPA (~3.65). Here’s my two cents:

You can match into surgery (even Neurosurgery) as a DO. You will need to make connections, network, take a dedicated research year, and publish like a madman. But it is DOable. Don’t rely on another MCAT attempt and apply broadly to DO. Take the best acceptance you can get and grind your @$$ off from day 1.

Being a neurosurgeon isn’t the end all be all of medicine. Do the best that you can and try to be the best physician you can be. I believe in you!
 
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I’m bashing the numbers in because as they presented themselves their current numbers are their biggest obstacle. OP needs to prove to admissions they are not a risk academically based upon their history, which is the point of the MCAT in this scenario. Also, in an applicant pool full of people without those mistakes it’s so easy to overlook this app if there is nothing standout on it.

Nothing to say they can’t get in the future, but they’re in the middle of an application cycle with no way to change those stats for this cycle. They could also get an II today and it won’t matter, but MD is a tall order. I still think they can become a physician through DO now, but that’s up to them to decide. If they are dedicated to it they can also definitely go neurosurgery from that route, it’ll be harder, but it’s there.

OK, but who determines that risk and how uniformly is it applied? By this logic, we should theoretically never see 4.0/52x applicants be rejected, but we do. It's almost like this process is not 100% contingent on academic risk factors.

Everyone was very up in arms last week because UMiami somehow had their adcom rubric leaked and it basically combined GPA and MCAT into one value and weighed it very low against all their other nonacademic factors.

If other schools are even somewhat approaching that model, then a min/max strategy is to push yourself academically enough to get to the interview, but a majority of your effort should be spent in putting together an application that emphasizes all of those other experiential competencies they're looking for at the committee stage post-interview.

We, as applicants, "measure" that in hours, but really, the true test is in the reflection and insight. And it needs to make sense: you can't say you were confronted with the fragility of human existence because you shadowed a neurosurgeon over a summer when you were 16. You can't say you want to change systems and have big ideas for healthcare if you do not show compelling evidence that you really know what that means in a practical day-to-day sense through demonstrated responsibility for real outcomes.

That's why, for me, it doesn't make sense for someone like OP to spend endless hours self-flagellating over one bad score when, in the grand scheme of things, that the number is just slightly higher does not meaningfully improve their chances if they have no narrative to speak of (or if the narrative is highly unrealistic and comes across lacking in self-awareness).

Conversely, I have reason to believe having a particularly rich narrative and highly coherent presentation has a better chance at achieving outsized results per unit of effort. Just anecdotal, personal experience, though...take it or leave it. :luck:
 
Everyone was very up in arms last week because UMiami somehow had their adcom rubric leaked and it basically combined GPA and MCAT into one value and weighed it very low against all their other nonacademic factors.
That model is pretty common. It's a compromise between the academic purists and the holistic admission advocates.
That's why, for me, it doesn't make sense for someone like OP to spend endless hours self-flagellating over one bad score when, in the grand scheme of things, that the number is just slightly higher does not meaningfully improve their chances if they have no narrative to speak of (or if the narrative is highly unrealistic and comes across lacking in self-awareness).
The problem for OP is that their combined GPA / MCAT don't even come close to the cutoff for many MD schools that are flooded with academically-stellar applicants. That's why everyone is saying "apply DO." Also, the rubric doesn't very well account for nontraditional students who have remediated their GPA with a postbac or SMP. In those cases, the MCAT is usually the equalizer. But 3 subpar MCATs is lethal. It's the difference between "interview possible" and "no interview recommended."

TLDR: The academics are necessary, not sufficient.
 
That model is pretty common. It's a compromise between the academic purists and the holistic admission advocates.

The problem for OP is that their combined GPA / MCAT don't even come close to the cutoff for many MD schools that are flooded with academically-stellar applicants. That's why everyone is saying "apply DO." Also, the rubric doesn't very well account for nontraditional students who have remediated their GPA with a postbac or SMP. In those cases, the MCAT is usually the equalizer. But 3 subpar MCATs is lethal. It's the difference between "interview possible" and "no interview recommended."

TLDR: The academics are necessary, not sufficient.

I can agree with that, too. I just get the feeling that OP is looking for the advice that applies to the very slim handful of people who have profiles that supersede their stats by a healthy margin and make it into a top school. Like, hypothetically, someone who was previously a PA for 20 years and started a successful global NGO and is very well connected in the upper academic crust already—and matriculates at an upper-tier MD school with a 3.0/500.

I guess a part of my point was trying to validate to the OP that, yes, sometimes there are people that matriculate at excellent MD schools with low stats. Otherwise I would not have had the success I have had so far. But what it takes to do that—the ways you would have to distinguish yourself and the odds you would face—are so astronomical that the goal of becoming a doctor (through DO) would actually be much more accessible than trying to distinguish yourself in the MD pool with these numbers.

I don't know. It's like starving and very angrily refusing any food that isn't filet mignon. You can say your palate is just that refined and that your body is a temple, but that'll never satisfy the physiological necessity of consuming calories, regardless of where they come from. If you deny the chicken breast you are offered, you may just starve to death.
 
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I’m just waiting for the “metrics matter more” guy to start posting on here.

Neurosurgery is wild to try and get into, but if OP has a genuine interest in it, I honestly think they will face less of a hurdle getting into a neurosurgery residency as a DO than they would fighting for an MD with their current stats.
I think trying to go the DO route to break into NSGY would be better than what the circumstances are now. Sounds like OP does have a lot of experiences surrounding it so it will help them in the long run.

My biggest advice is to look at match lists and find schools with NSGY matches. It’s not a huge number, but it’s still there. I getting in somewhere with opportunities as a DO is better than taking more time off with the goal of a long residency. One year spent improving your app is a year of attending pay taken off your life.
 
We have given the best perspective we can and that is now up to them to decide what to do with it. They can achieve their dream with a DO and their current stats or push for an MD but from what little I can gather I don't feel confident in their narrative or academics to put them over other applicants at the current moment.
I agree with @polymerization stories matter more now in admissions, but those are not reserved for people pursuing the top competitive specialties. In those instances, stats still reign supreme if that is your narrative. While the MCAT doesn't predict your success as a physician, it does predict your success on STEP 2 scoring which is important for those residencies. An MD may look at two applicants, one with a great narrative but in their 10% stats range and one with an ok narrative but in their schools 25%-75% stats range both going for the same spot, and we know which applicant stands a better shot.
 
I guess a part of my point was trying to validate to the OP that, yes, sometimes there are people that matriculate at excellent MD schools with low stats. Otherwise I would not have had the success I have had so far. But what it takes to do that—the ways you would have to distinguish yourself and the odds you would face—are so astronomical that the goal of becoming a doctor (through DO) would actually be much more accessible than trying to distinguish yourself in the MD pool with these numbers.
I don't know much about your overall application, but from what I have gathered you have done so much work to build your story that you are not the "low stat" applicant that most people talk about on here. As you said, you built this up over so many years and fought in ways most people will never understand. I applaud it and want to work with someone like you down the line, but this is different from someone 1-2 years out of undergrad. If OP wants to take that route for an MD, they absolutely can, but there is not promise of success in the end while there is a route for them currently if they want to take the chicken breast as you said (ortho bros would be pissed if you pass up on chicken breast OP).
 
I don't know much about your overall application, but from what I have gathered you have done so much work to build your story that you are not the "low stat" applicant that most people talk about on here. As you said, you built this up over so many years and fought in ways most people will never understand. I applaud it and want to work with someone like you down the line, but this is different from someone 1-2 years out of undergrad. If OP wants to take that route for an MD, they absolutely can, but there is not promise of success in the end while there is a route for them currently if they want to take the chicken breast as you said (ortho bros would be pissed if you pass up on chicken breast OP).

It's hard for me to relate, because I really am the king of delulu pre-meds. From what I've read about OP on this thread, they have been at this as long as I have, 10 years.

OP just had life get in the way and wasn't privileged in the way I was. I was in a major urban city, and a good one for elite-level healthcare at that: finding jobs/opportunities was not easy by any means, but having many major hospitals and medical schools in the vicinity helped a lot, even if it is still a poor probability overall.

I had the benefit of exposing myself (lol) to SDN in my freshman year, and just being borderline clinically obsessed with admissions ever since (even long after I had "abandoned" ever applying for myself). I read books, watched admissions interviews ad nauseam, connected with deans all over the country to see what they were interested in and found to be important, and just generally marveled in moments that I felt I had gotten a peek behind the curtain. Over time, I accumulated a bit of knowledge, I think.

When the opportunity presented itself, I had enough knowledge to identify it as such and make the best of it...but in retrospect, it really was a big coincidence. I got really, really, really, really unbelievably lucky. And for that stroke of luck, I am very grateful.

Ultimately, I know I am not the smartest guy in the world, or the most hard-working, or deserving. I'm just one of many countless stories, and I promise, there are so many more that are way more inspirational than mine—and they don't end nearly as well. I think what really riles us up is that we're recognizing, wow, OP is at a place where life can very easily get in the way again and they are dangerously close to facilitating it. And we get it, because we want it as badly as they do and understand the disappointment that comes alongside falling short yet again.
 
Thank you for all your insights. Polymerization ( nice username btw, love the nostalgia) is correct that I have been at this for a while, as I am turning 29 in January. I do believe that I have a strong narrative as to why I want to do medicine, which I talk about at lengths in my primaries and secondaries.

I have 6750 hours of clinical experience, 5000 as a medical scribe, 1600 as an volunteer EMT, and 150 shadowing.

I have 100 hours of non clinical volunteering as a reading tutor for disadvantaged individuals through my public library.

I also have thousands of hours as various TA roles.

Yes I got a 2.65 CGPA from the College of William and Mary, but got the 3.906 from CWRU's MSMP program. All of the testing is styled like USMLE, and I am confident I would score well on Step 2 because a) my most recent education was done similarly, and b) i'm not the person I was when I got the poor grades in undergrad, my SMP is proof of that ( and I had several adcoms indicates that my GPA was more or less "corrected", my MCAT was the issue.) Another big issuw was that I applied late last year (submitted mid july, verified mid august, and pushed secondaries into November. My secondaries were also generic, and several adcoms put it best "why should we be interested in you if you're not interested in us enough to do research on us?" which is fair. I fixed all of those issues this time around.

Frustratingly, a couple of adcom said that some of my experiences were too old, and that they didn't think I had "continued" interest in medicine. I don't think its too fair to judge peoples MME's by age, given it is what the applicant believes is most important, but I digress.

I also have 2000 hours in clinical research working in neurology and neurosurgery, and will be continuing this for the future. Let me be clear that I don't have issues with DO's. My issue is with the Bias against DO's. If I wanted to do FM or the like, I'd apply DO and call it a day, but its not that simple. Getting neurosurgery is hard as it is, but I also have to work 2-3 times as hard, publish even more research, and still have a microscopic chance of getting neurosurgery? That is what frustrates me.

I don't know why I can't seem to do well on the MCAT. Given I taught students clinical reasoning that are now at Top schools like CWRU and OSU, its very frustrating to be in this position, because I already know how to apply these principles and did very well when I taught.
 
Thank you for all your insights. Polymerization ( nice username btw, love the nostalgia) is correct that I have been at this for a while, as I am turning 29 in January. I do believe that I have a strong narrative as to why I want to do medicine, which I talk about at lengths in my primaries and secondaries.

I have 6750 hours of clinical experience, 5000 as a medical scribe, 1600 as an volunteer EMT, and 150 shadowing.

I have 100 hours of non clinical volunteering as a reading tutor for disadvantaged individuals through my public library.

I also have thousands of hours as various TA roles.

Yes I got a 2.65 CGPA from the College of William and Mary, but got the 3.906 from CWRU's MSMP program. All of the testing is styled like USMLE, and I am confident I would score well on Step 2 because a) my most recent education was done similarly, and b) i'm not the person I was when I got the poor grades in undergrad, my SMP is proof of that ( and I had several adcoms indicates that my GPA was more or less "corrected", my MCAT was the issue.) Another big issuw was that I applied late last year (submitted mid july, verified mid august, and pushed secondaries into November. My secondaries were also generic, and several adcoms put it best "why should we be interested in you if you're not interested in us enough to do research on us?" which is fair. I fixed all of those issues this time around.

Frustratingly, a couple of adcom said that some of my experiences were too old, and that they didn't think I had "continued" interest in medicine. I don't think its too fair to judge peoples MME's by age, given it is what the applicant believes is most important, but I digress.

I also have 2000 hours in clinical research working in neurology and neurosurgery, and will be continuing this for the future. Let me be clear that I don't have issues with DO's. My issue is with the Bias against DO's. If I wanted to do FM or the like, I'd apply DO and call it a day, but its not that simple. Getting neurosurgery is hard as it is, but I also have to work 2-3 times as hard, publish even more research, and still have a microscopic chance of getting neurosurgery? That is what frustrates me.

I don't know why I can't seem to do well on the MCAT. Given I taught students clinical reasoning that are now at Top schools like CWRU and OSU, its very frustrating to be in this position, because I already know how to apply these principles and did very well when I taught.

The MCAT imo is such a stupid exam. I crammed all of UWorld, AAMC, etc. and still couldn’t score higher than a 502 (pending my retake score from September, which I doubt will be that much better anyway). I did arguably the hardest STEM major in undergrad, graduated with honors, etc., but couldn’t crack the MCAT because AAMC logic flummoxes me, and I can’t correctly discern 50-50s in CARS and PS (funnily enough, my distribution ended up being 132/123/123/124).

I will say this: beggars can’t be choosers. We are the beggars. Our stats unfortunately aren’t that competitive for MD. I’d say get a DO acceptance to a top program, work your @$$ off, network and publish like a madman, and you might just match Neurosurgery.

Yes, going to an MD program would make it statistically more likely to match NSGY. But there’s no guarantee. And I’ll let you in on a little secret: anyone who has a stigma against DOs will likely make for really shi**y physicians.
 
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Hey yall, not sure what to say here other than I am stressed as most of us are. I am a reapplicant, and have worked my tail off to address all the deficiencies of my application.
Unfortunately I think some of your efforts have been misguided. One repairs a low GPA with a postbac, not a MS. Graduate course grades are generally inflated, so a 3.9 is not exceptional, it's expected.

Your low non-clinical volunteering hours will get you screened out practically everywhere. This would be true even if your metrics were better. I know soup kitchen/homeless shelter experiences aren't particularly unique or sexy, but neither is the foundation of a house. Still, it has to be poured.

Would you still be applying if you 100% knew that you would never match in neurosurgery?
 
Hey yall, not sure what to say here other than I am stressed as most of us are. I am a reapplicant, and have worked my tail off to address all the deficiencies of my application. my MCAT and GPA have not changed from last year, I have tried to improve my application via my writing, experiences and applying early. I know the odds of getting an interview because of my stats are slim, but I can't help but feel frustrated by the circumstances. I have resigned myself to the fact that I will have to take the MCAT again. I hate this stupid thing, and it frustrates me to no end that I know what I am capable of but have no way to prove it other than the MCAT.

Because I can't quit my job (bills to pay lol) I will have to study over 6ish months and try to take it in late May. If I happen to get in before then, I would obviously stop studying. I am applying to 48 MD schools. I know my stats are low, but I would HOPE thats applying broad enough. Just feels like I am screaming into a void and the void is silent.
I agree with what Med Ed said above.

That being said--sending you a hug. This process can be frustrating. However, try to relax, slow down, and be positive. Good luck w/everything.
 
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