Midwestern:CCOM and Stats

[MRa2z]

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i also think location has a small bit to do with their interviewing process - My school is located 5 miles from Midwestern, and they have a direct - pharmacy program with CCOP at midwestern. Also, our health science faculty and advisors are very friendly with midwestern's, so maybe that gives students here a bit more of a preference at CCOM?

 

[NjD00]

3.4/32Q here with research, shadowing, and volunteer and got accepted, but
I have absolutely no ties to CCOM or the area, and did not at all attune my application to their school. go figure, i think they pull from a hat

 

[vt hokie]

i was rejected pre-interview, but my stats suck... 22O MCAT and a 3.3 overall gpa. i guess that means to OP doesn't want to go to VCOM.

 

[ssa915]

i was rejected pre-interview, but my stats suck... 22O MCAT and a 3.3 overall gpa. i guess that means to OP doesn't want to go to VCOM.

You are right. Got into WVSOM also... dont wanna go there either

 

[Kuba]

You are right. Got into WVSOM also... dont wanna go there either

Congrats! you're a tool!

 

[redsoxfan]

I have a 3.2/32 and havent gotten an interview. SO I def think you are right that they consider more than numbers. AND i have tons of research and clinical experience. But no volunteer, maybe they are looking for that.

i have volunteer too: 4yrs in HS as candystriper (didn't put on app), 2yrs tutoring in inner-city, semester volunteering at children's hospital helping w/a clinical study, 8 mos volunteering at a hospice home, summer shadowing a DO, numerous health fairs, flu clinics, soup kitchens, walks/runs for a cause... i'm not really heart-broken b/c i never had the opportunity to even see the school, but im just scared now that the rejections are going to come piling in. it just seemed so early in teh game to get shafted...

 

[CuttinEmUp]

You are right. Got into WVSOM also... dont wanna go there either

Big Congrats in order for the wannabe MD that couldn't get into a good MD program because his "stats" were so weak and now feels like he has to make sure he gets into the "highest stats" DO school as some kind of recompense--instead of trying to understand a different and unique approach to medicine...

Congrats to you, and again I say Congrats
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God Help Us if this guy is gonna be a doctor

 

[Trevelyan]

Wow. I cannot even believe this guy tried to act so pure and innocent following his first couple of posts. Talk about insecure.

 

[chrisv]

You don't like to settle? Dude whatever. I go to CCOM and I got a 31 on the MCRAP.

Don't come to school with that kind of attitude. It wont be to your advantage.

MCRAP I like that!! I like to call it the "CAT" named "M" 😉

 

[Bluemirage]

Wow...I cannot believe someone who only got a 29/3.6 has this kind of attitude...would have expected this from someone with a 35+ score/4.0. A lower MCAT score is not indicative of intelligence or performance in medical school and so the OP should drop his judgemental attitudes. I read a thread a few months back about correlation between MCAT and COMPLEX/USMLE. There were quite a few ppl in that thread that had <25 MCAT score but had a 230+ USMLE Step I score and 600+ COMLEX while some had scored 28+ on the MCAT but scored below average on both.

 

[EAS2784]

😎 I think it's so funny how everyone jumped on SSA when he/she posted this....so he wants to know...what's the big deal? I find that a lot, NOT ALL, but still quite a few ppl on here are so quick to be defensive and snap at ppl who just want a simple answer. Like my mother always said, "If you dont have anything nice to say, dont say anything at all"

 

[Bluemirage]

😎 I think it's so funny how everyone jumped on SSA when he/she posted this....so he wants to know...what's the big deal? I find that a lot, NOT ALL, but still quite a few ppl on here are so quick to be defensive and snap at ppl who just want a simple answer. Like my mother always said, "If you dont have anything nice to say, dont say anything at all"

I agree that his first post was probably a legitimate question albeit perhaps poorly phrased. But check out his subsequent responses, especially his most recent one and you can detect his inflammatory attitude.

 

[EAS2784]

Agreed, I just dont like how everyone gets so hostile!!! I can only imagine how much more hostile ppl will get under the actual stress of med school! Aye dios mio!

 

[NjD00]

Agreed, I just dont like how everyone gets so hostile!!! I can only imagine how much more hostile ppl will get under the actual stress of med school! Aye dios mio!

Hostile????? you are WRONG. In fact, everyone is wrong and I'm right. The way you wrote that was an insult, and you obviously are a "gunner" MD applicant using DO schools as a backup.



hehe..........

 

[EAS2784]

I'm not quite sure if that hostile remark was toward me but incase it was....haven't you heard women are always right?!?!? LOL I'm just playing....😀

 

[NjD00]

I'm not quite sure if that hostile remark was toward me but incase it was....haven't you heard women are always right?!?!? LOL I'm just playing....😀

Just in case you were wondering, yes, that hostile post was directed towards you.

(i'm just playing too 😀 )

 

[dr.kicia]

You are right. Got into WVSOM also... dont wanna go there either

why did you apply there then???
It's pointless to apply to school you do not even want to go to.
Next time apply where you WANT to go and leave the spots at schools for other applicants who DO want to be there.🙄

 

[EAS2784]

HAHA it's a funny mix of mean and sarcastic comments lol I always find these posts funny!

And it's alright, I know I'm right!!! I'm always correct! 🙂

 

[koennen]

I got accepted to a few schools, one of which being CCOM. It just seems, that after all these acceptances, I'm wondering, how competetive is CCOM?

Actually, I'd be far more interested in finding out how competitive you are. You posted in another thread that you applied to "MD, DO, and Caribbean." So give us a list of the allopathic schools you applied to and regale us with how far your 29 MCAT got you.

P.S. I must admit to being somewhat surprised that someone with your intellectual capacity (29 MCAT after all) would even consider the Caribbean.

 

[mletter]

I think you guys are misinterpreting what I'm saying. I just want to know that the school I could possibly be attending is one where I would feel comfortable... knowing that my peers had stats similar to mine (29/3.6). I know there will always be exceptions, but overall, its nice to hear that most of those who were accepted to CCOM were competetive applicants. That's all. So again, i'm just taking a survey. I'm not going to argue back and forth about this.

Buckeye, with that kind of mcat, you had a good chance at MD schools, what made you choose CCOM?

I think most of us have been DO from the begining. This post gives the impression that we are all "settling" when we are choosing to pursue DO. Of course I could always be misinterpreting the post I mean my MCAT wasn't quite a 40. 🙄

 

[dr.kicia]

I think most of us have been DO from the begining. This post gives the impression that we are all "settling" when we are choosing to pursue DO. Of course I could always be misinterpreting the post I mean my MCAT wasn't quite a 40. 🙄

I agree with you.... there are students who are really passionate about DO and do not even apply to MD schools...
I haven't taken MCAT yet but even if i get 40 on it i will still be applying all the way DO because this is what i want...

why ppl automatically assume that every student who goes to DO school went there because of no luck with MD and that DO schools are for those less inteligent doctor wannabes???....yeah maybe it is easier to get in but i think it's because of the stupid "DO stigma" trheory.

If you would really shadow a great DO for more then one day (to get your LOR needed for plan B applications) you'd know how much more DO's have to offer.
I am very impressed with a DO I am shadowing. He accomplished more then most MDs will even dream of.
And like he said everyone can be a great doctor just have to want it.

 

[mletter]

I agree with you.... there are students who are really passionate about DO and do not even apply to MD schools...
I haven't taken MCAT yet but even if i get 40 on it i will still be applying all the way DO because this is what i want...

why ppl automatically assume that every student who goes to DO school went there because of no luck with MD and that DO schools are for those less inteligent doctor wannabes???....yeah maybe it is easier to get in but i think it's because of the stupid "DO stigma" trheory.

If you would really shadow a great DO for more then one day (to get your LOR needed for plan B applications) you'd know how much more DO's have to offer.
I am very impressed with a DO I am shadowing. He accomplished more then most MDs will even dream of.
And like he said everyone can be a great doctor just have to want it.

Exactly. I would also like to point out that by pursuing DO we will all be not only getting the education an MD gets but also all the extra training a DO goes through with OMM ect. So, to imply that DO students are only in it cause they are afraid of putting in some extra effort is short sighted. Not to mention that many DO's will take not only the USMLE and the COMLEX because of residency matches. The DO also has to be willing to explain to all the people that he/she will encouter in their careers who don't know what a DO is, what it is that DO's do. 👍

 

[dr.kicia]

Exactly. I would also like to point out that by pursuing DO we will all be not only getting the education an MD gets but also all the extra training a DO goes through with OMM ect. So, to imply that DO students are only in it cause they are afraid of putting in some extra effort is short sighted. Not to mention that many DO's will take not only the USMLE and the COMLEX because of residency matches. The DO also has to be willing to explain to all the people that he/she will encouter in their careers who don't know what a DO is, what it is that DO's do. 👍

yeah for me shadowing a very successful DO, and seeing how much more he could do and how great he was comunicating with patients (which is something he learned to do in DO school), is only a reasurance in my previous decission of applying DO only.

 

[Ema]

yeah for me shadowing a very successful DO, and seeing how much more he could do and how great he was comunicating with patients (which is something he learned to do in DO school), is only a reasurance in my previous decission of applying DO only.

Yeah, I have noticed the same thing about DO's( not to say that MD's dont know how to talk with patients).

 

[ssa915]

Actually, I'd be far more interested in finding out how competitive you are. You posted in another thread that you applied to "MD, DO, and Caribbean." So give us a list of the allopathic schools you applied to and regale us with how far your 29 MCAT got you.

P.S. I must admit to being somewhat surprised that someone with your intellectual capacity (29 MCAT after all) would even consider the Caribbean.

If you're interested in knowing why the caribbean... my girlfriend goes there and we're pretty serious...but I took a step back to realize that was a mistake on my part to even consider it, knowing what my career goals are

As far as the MD schools i've applied to, approx. 18 - all the OH schools, IL schools, VCU, EVMS, Temple, Drexel, Loma Linda, Suny Upstate, Albany, NYMC...

I applied to WVSOM b/c from my experience with others I know who've been through the application process (MD/DO), with stats better than mine, they've had a rough time getting in, so I took the approach to keep my options open and not take any chances, i.e. apply to as many schools as possible, within my reach...

As far as my previous remark to the guy who asked about not attending WVSOM b/c they have lower stats, well I was trying to lighten up the mood here, you guys are way too uptight

Look where this thread has gone... again, i wasn't undermining the DO philosophy or curiculum or anyone's abilities, but after reading all these hostile posts, i can't help but respond with sarcasm and to be honest, a little bit of apathy

You guys need to spend your time a little more wisely

 

[DrJekyl]

Just to answer your initial question, CCOM is competitive and your numbers are probably similar to most of the students accepted there. When I started med school, I had a few classmates that thought medical school was going to be easy because they had high MCAT scores and GPAs. This was definitely not the case. If you start medical school thinking that way, you will get a slap across the face after the first few weeks of school. Sometimes people with lower stats, or the ones that barely got into school off of a waitlist, will end up being the ones honoring in their classes.

 

[ssa915]

Just to answer your initial question, CCOM is competitive and your numbers are probably similar to most of the students accepted there. When I started med school, I had a few classmates that thought medical school was going to be easy because they had high MCAT scores and GPAs. This was definitely not the case. If you start medical school thinking that way, you will get a slap across the face after the first few weeks of school. Sometimes people with lower stats, or the ones that barely got into school off of a waitlist, will end up being the ones honoring in their classes.

Thanks for your post. I do know what it's like in med school, to some degree, as I did a 2-yr MS degree in anatomy. The first year was the same as the 1st year MD students at my school, so I know how tough it is. You are right, MCAT and GPA don't correlate to how well you do in med school, but the numbers aren't that far off and those with lower numbers are probably the rare few... after all, there is a reason why the mcat is used in the first place, but this is a topic for another discussion

 

[mletter]

Maybe CCOM just has tons of applicants?

 

[dr.kicia]

Yeah, I have noticed the same thing about DO's( not to say that MD's dont know how to talk with patients).

yep...i am glad i shadowed both...it gave me a good perspective:

A successful DO cardiologist--->totally down to earth, great listener and amazing connection with patients

A mediocore family doctor MD---> stiff and judgemental, a little intimidating, poor conection with patients.

the outcome---> i want to be DO

 

[Kuba]

yep...i am glad i shadowed both...it gave me a good perspective:

A successful DO cardiologist--->totally down to earth, great listener and amazing connection with patients

A mediocore family doctor MD---> stiff and judgemental, a little intimidating, poor conection with patients.

the outcome---> i want to be DO

there are bad DOs and bad MDs. you happened to meet a good DO and a bad MD, but the degree doesn't make one better than the other.

 

[dr.kicia]

there are bad DOs and bad MDs. you happened to meet a good DO and a bad MD, but the degree doesn't make one better than the other.

well it depends...in general i can see (from the ER) that MDs don't have as good of a connection with patients and are in general very stiff and act like they are better kind of human. I am generalizing of course...i have seen many things. But in general what even my DO said is that his osteopathic education definetly helped him to have better contact with patients...and knowing OMM he is also able to treat some things that other cardiologist (MD) cannot offer.

I am not even going to mention what one reads on these forums about interviews in both DO and MD schools...that differs a lot too...the whole atmosphere etc...

 

[Kuba]

well it depends...in general i can see (from the ER) that MDs don't have as good of a connection with patients and are in general very stiff and act like they are better kind of human. I am generalizing of course...i have seen many things. But in general what even my DO said is that his osteopathic education definetly helped him to have better contact with patients...and knowing OMM he is also able to treat some things that other cardiologist (MD) cannot offer.

I am not even going to mention what one reads on these forums about interviews in both DO and MD schools...that differs a lot too...the whole atmosphere etc...

ER docs in general dont have good bedside manner because they deal with a lot of s*it all day long. I work alongside MD and DO residents in a Level 1 trauma center, and there is no DO and MD distinction that I can see. I think in the end OMM is the only difference at all.

 

[dr.kicia]

ER docs in general dont have good bedside manner because they deal with a lot of s*it all day long. I work alongside MD and DO residents in a Level 1 trauma center, and there is no DO and MD distinction that I can see. I think in the end OMM is the only difference at all.

well...then i have totally different experiance then you.
Couse i see distinction. The DOs are more approachable. MDs don't even respond to "hi"
But then maybe i was just unlucky and didn't meet an MD who would impress me as much as the DO i shadow.

 

[Depakote]

This thread makes me a sad panda...

 

[vmgopal]

to those of u fellow acceptees at CCOM, did you get the Matriculation papers, official acceptance letter and the deposit info today in the mail. I live in WISC and I got it from Chicago, so don't worry if u live further its still prob on the way there. Im gonna send my first deposit of $250 asap!! Its still sinking in for me! Good Luck to All!

Also check out the 2011 CCOM Class thread:

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=335176