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So Navy released this am...anybody hear from AF yet? I haven't gotten anything...
So Navy released this am...anybody hear from AF yet? I haven't gotten anything...
really bummed. applied for rads in the AF. got transitional year deferred. this may be a stupid question (and one i never thought i had to think about.) but do I HAVE to to a transitional year? or will a prelim-med year count? and what does this mean for me now.
I'm pretty much aware that applying for a AF PGY2 rads spot will be impossible now that I'm in the same pool as prior GMO's, majors, etc. So what's next? How do I apply to flight surgery or a GMO or whatever? really heartbreaking. put a lot into everything hoping for the best. always knew this was a possibility though, even when i was signing the dotted line so I'm not resentful or anything about it
You do not apply to become a flight surgeon or GMO. It occurs automatically if you do not have any additional GME training.
Is anyone in the Army trying to do the Rebuttal to change their location for their specialty???
really bummed. applied for rads in the AF. got transitional year deferred. this may be a stupid question (and one i never thought i had to think about.) but do I HAVE to to a transitional year? or will a prelim-med year count? and what does this mean for me now.
I'm pretty much aware that applying for a AF PGY2 rads spot will be impossible now that I'm in the same pool as prior GMO's, majors, etc. So what's next? How do I apply to flight surgery or a GMO or whatever? really heartbreaking. put a lot into everything hoping for the best. always knew this was a possibility though, even when i was signing the dotted line so I'm not resentful or anything about it
Any Army SDN'ers out there that have submitted a rebuttal and have heard back?
The committee met last week and results were to be released "shortly thereafter" via email. I haven't heard anything back yet so I think my chances are slim of switching..
Odds are Slim to none and Slim is at the airport on his way out of town.
Do you have any experience/knowledge of the the rebuttal process?
Any Army SDN'ers out there that have submitted a rebuttal and have heard back?
The committee met last week and results were to be released "shortly thereafter" via email. I haven't heard anything back yet so I think my chances are slim of switching..
I have seen this happen when an applicant is someone who has many years in service before going thru med school on HPSP. The prior years of service should count towards the final score....yet somehow they are not accounted for...then the applicant can only hope for appeal/rebuttal process.
You only get something like 1 point for non-medical related prior service if I recall correctly. 2 for medically related. Not sure that will make a ton of difference for most applicants.
But program directors get I think up to 4 points. I few that I have met have flat out said they don't like sending 40 year olds out to GMO land and not be able to complete their residency until in the mid to late 40s. I asked one to clarify and he said that many of the PDs he knows will max the points on an applicant with 10+ prior years (as long as they aren't a douche) to help them go through residency straight through. I'm sure this feeling is not universal and it probably ebbs and flows over the years.
That would be in the "potential for a military career" portion most likely. There aren't any areas for "program director" points on the score sheet; however it is my opinion that the get some input over one or two of the categories.
Remember the package is scored by a group of 3, one from each service which is supposed to impart some balance to the process.
Although my statements are based on publicly gained knowledge I'm still not convinced there isn't horse trading involved in some cases.
You only get something like 1 point for non-medical related prior service if I recall correctly. 2 for medically related. Not sure that will make a ton of difference for most applicants.
It's not like there's a lot of points in play, though. For example the difference between the best and worst possible medical student (in terms of class rank and step scores) is only worth 3 points. I feel like 2 points could be a pretty significant difference, if you wanted to go straight through.
It's not like there's a lot of points in play, though. For example the difference between the best and worst possible medical student (in terms of class rank and step scores) is only worth 3 points. I feel like 2 points could be a pretty significant difference, if you wanted to go straight through.
Do they tell you your point total, and how it was calculated? If not, how do we even know that this point system exists, or exists in the form that we think it does? Is there anything written about it in official guidance?
You will never know your score. The scoring sheets are available online so you can get an idea of what is used. From memory:
0-2 points for the first 2 years of medical school
0-3 points for the second 2 years
0-5 points for "potential to become a career officer"
0-5 for internship (max 3 points for current interns)
0-5 for residency (only if applying for fellowship)
0-5 points for utilization tour
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Add them up and multiply by 3
Bonus points:
1 for prior service
2 for prior medically related service
1-4 for publications
You'll see that a medical student with stellar grades will take a back seat to a mediocre GMO with publications. The good news is that you can manipulate the score for your own benefit. Get published---it doesn't matter where---and if you don't get selected in medical school, do well as an intern and get those 3 extra points.
Thanks , this is very helpful.
Who's militarygmesorce.org???? Credible reference?