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unlynch genny
Lynch Bc

I’m feeling better about a BC lynch at the moment. Their replies and initial posts today seem very defensive, and I don’t like how they’ve been explaining things from the perspective of a wolf, I don’t remember them doing this before, so it’s a little suspect. Also, they’ve been pushing hard for a JOAT revel, which I don’t agree with because it would potentially help the wolves more then village.

I still have suspects on genny and sporty, but BC is leading right now.
 
Coopah said:
I find it interesting your defense is "I would have to hate my partner" or "I can't be this stupid" I'm definitely not calling you that, but I have seen this defense many times from wolves where things just didn't go as expected and they ended up here. Or their preemptively thinking what would the village expect wolf!BC to do and do the opposite.

tl;dr you saying if you did this would make you a crappy woof is a crappy defense
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Okay, but given the context, do you really think it's a reasonable risk for me to take as a wolf? Like it feels like you're lynching me because you just hate what I'm saying, which is fine, but idk, think about my motivations given how much I've thought through the consequences, compare it to my typical level of risk aversion, see how people are reacting and try to think who would be benefiting from this. We're not yet in a state where mislynching me would screw the game over completely, so as long as you can think critically through my lynch and reflect on what happens today and use whatever insights you've gleaned in days to come, that's fine by me. I've been fighting tooth and nail for the past few days and I'm just tired. If me dying today means that there's one fewer squabble at LyLo, I'll take it.
 
Day 4 Lynch Tally
Kota (1) - BC
genny () -
BC (2) - Coop, Kota

3/9
lynch close in ~4.5 hours
 
BigCats said:
Okay, but given the context, do you really think it's a reasonable risk for me to take as a wolf?
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Yes, basically this entire post is a defense using WIFOM. That's not a valid defense. Point out your wolf hunting previously. Point out who must be the wolf instead of you. That's a good defense, not I wouldn't do this as a wolf.
 
Coopah said:
Yes, basically this entire post is a defense using WIFOM. That's not a valid defense. Point out your wolf hunting previously. Point out who must be the wolf instead of you. That's a good defense, not I wouldn't do this as a wolf.
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It's obviously Kota, who is flip-flopping wherever the wind is blowing whenever a viable lynch appears. You're not the tiniest bit sketched out that she joined you on my lynch?
 
BigCats said:
It's obviously Kota, who is flip-flopping wherever the wind is blowing whenever a viable lynch appears. You're not the tiniest bit sketched out that she joined you on my lynch?
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I’m not flip flopping! I have had you and genny as suspect for a whole. I moved you back to neutral yesterday cause I thought your posts seemed more village, but today I feel like your posts have been sketch. Plus there’s still 4ish hours left, plenty of time to change my mind.
 
Coopah said:
Explain D1 for me then
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Strong wolf is either going down or close to it. Noob wolf needs whatever village cred she can get since this is a tough crowd. Noob wolf votes strong wolf, tying it up. If strong wolf flips, noob wolf gains a lot of village cred. If strong wolf doesn’t flip that day but flips later, noob wolf still gains a lot of cred for being on it at all, especially if they can be credited for driving a subsequent lynch. If noob wolf is looking way too sketchy, strong wolf can jump on noob wolf’s lynch, flip her, and clear herself for having noob wolf on the lynch that almost killed strong wolf. I don’t like bussing on principle but done well it’s a very effective way to carry a less-experienced wolf farther than they might otherwise go under their own steam.
 
[mention]BigCats [/mention] okay, well I’m done arguing. I’ll just say it in a vanillager! I know that could mean nothing to you, but that’s that. Go ahead push my lynch, you’ll have one less villager and you and your wolf buddy will be one step closer to winning.
 
Kota1000 said:
Do you think a BC lynch is a good idea?
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Theres not anything that is making me take her out of neutral into wolfy. Maybe she is a wolf but I feel like there are players higher (farther from village lean) on my reads list. I'm leaning toward NK choices make me not think it's her but eh it is of course possible.
 
Kota1000 said:
[mention]BigCats [/mention] okay, well I’m done arguing. I’ll just say it in a vanillager! I know that could mean nothing to you, but that’s that. Go ahead push my lynch, you’ll have one less villager and you and your wolf buddy will be one step closer to winning.
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We already talked about this will sunbodi on day 1 and 2. Why are you saying this when we still have 4 hours til lynch close and you aren't currently in much danger of being lynched.
 
Kota: has been going up my sketch list. Ive disagreed with a lot of what shes been saying. Lynch choices seem easily swayed by others. and IMO has come off/ sounded/ acted different than her previous village games. I think she skated by D1 with her SAR vote to claim village cred
genny: At first I was reading her village, but with the sunni flip and their interacts she has gone upon the list
Sport: Curious about why wanting BC lynched yesterday? I meant to ask but never did. I'm thinking when her and paws were up for lynch/tied for lynch the other day that one or both of them was wolf. Now we know that paws is village, I'm thinking sport could be on of the wolfs.
Barks: I keep flip flopping on reading her village and reading her sketch.
Alissa: Has made solid sounding posts and have agreeing/nodding with what shes been saying. She was pretty quiet at the beginning of the game, but has made up for that the last few days.
BC: Not really agreeing with wanting the JOATs to come out, but I have been reading her more village. There are a few posts that I raise my eyebrows at, but overall on the village side of neutral
Wondering: Also making solid posts with good thought behind them. I feel like she is wolf hunting.
Coop: been actively trying to wolf hunt. VCA is pretty decent. I think her interations yesterday with paws were VvV, and paws was just getting frustrated.

I can either see a Kota genny pack, of a Kota Sport pack.
I'm trying to think who would have made some of these kill choices. Like taking out Dubz, a strong player right away, and taking out Pippy even before she got to post. Makes me think a noob wolf, and Kota would fit that profile.
 
WonderingStudent said:
We already talked about this will sunbodi on day 1 and 2. Why are you saying this when we still have 4 hours til lynch close and you aren't currently in much danger of being lynched.
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Because it’s a waste of effort to discuss my wolfiness or lack of when it’s D4 and there’s still 2 wolves out there with 10 players left, I think the efforts could be directed else where.

Doggo Labs said:
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I can either see a Kota genny pack, of a Kota Sport pack.
I'm trying to think who would have made some of these kill choices. Like taking out Dubz, a strong player right away, and taking out Pippy even before she got to post. Makes me think a noob wolf, and Kota would fit that profile.
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Yes cause this is logical when I’ve been pushing a genny lynch the past 2 days, but okayy. I know I’ve switched off her lynch now for BC but I am still suspect of genny. I’m just not sure if I see her in a pack with BC. I could see genny and sporty though... I want them both to post more today
 
Kota1000 said:
I will say the majority of SAR’s posts have been jokey. Also, they said more thoughts coming soon, but they only posted a read on me and asked a few very minimal questions that had a brief mention of BC and genny. A little sketch so,

unlynch Dubz
Lynch SAR
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Animal Midwife said:
Day 1 Lynch Tally
SAR (4) - mpm, Coop, Doggo, Kota
dubz (1) - Sporty
Suni (3) - genny, BC, alissa
Doggo (4) - Barks, Paws, dubz, SAR
Stagg () -
3m () -
Paws () -
Sporty (1) - 3m
BC () -
Kota () -

13/15
Missing: Stagg, Suni
lynch close in ~5 minutes
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So this was Kotas vote, SAR just self-prezed and she tied it back up. SAR was not in danger of being lynched before she did that. We could speculate that they expected sunni to come on and self prez onto SAR but that's a little flimsy considering she could have self prezed onto doggo too.

So given this placement you still think it's a noob wolf bus? @BigCats

I recommend we flip you and that'll inform me greatly for the rest of the people.
 
Kota1000 said:
[mention]BigCats [/mention] okay, well I’m done arguing. I’ll just say it in a vanillager! I know that could mean nothing to you, but that’s that. Go ahead push my lynch, you’ll have one less villager and you and your wolf buddy will be one step closer to winning.
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Sorry, I’m not swayed by vanilla claims- that’s not the part I’m concerned about 😛
 
Doggo Labs said:
I'm trying to think who would have made some of these kill choices. Like taking out Dubz, a strong player right away, and taking out Pippy even before she got to post. Makes me think a noob wolf, and Kota would fit that profile.
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I've been trying to think of the same. I can't make it fit genny unless my shiny shiny improbable tinfoil is true.
 
Coopah said:
So this was Kotas vote, SAR just self-prezed and she tied it back up. SAR was not in danger of being lynched before she did that. We could speculate that they expected sunni to come on and self prez onto SAR but that's a little flimsy considering she could have self prezed onto doggo too.

So given this placement you still think it's a noob wolf bus? @BigCats

I recommend we flip you and that'll inform me greatly for the rest of the people.
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You think SAR already having three votes on her while the opposing wagon had four, with multiple people hanging out off-wagon, means SAR wasn’t in danger?
 
BigCats said:
You think SAR already having three votes on her while the opposing wagon had four, with multiple people hanging out off-wagon, means SAR wasn’t in danger?
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No! There were six minutes left in lynch and if kota voted to save SAR they would've had to find three votes in six minutes!
 
BigCats said:
Sorry, I’m not swayed by vanilla claims- that’s not the part I’m concerned about 😛
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Then what are you concerned about!? Even if you don’t want to answer just say so, cause I have a tinfoil forming that is based on this answer. You ignored my last question, so please answer this one
 
Coopah said:
No I'm not thinking kota, I mean I am but it's not based in logic. I'm pretty firm on BC right now in case you've missed it
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OOOoooo, i get what you were quoting my quote about now... the noob wolf you think is BC

I know you have a pretty firm stance on BC right now,I didn't see how that related to my post, sometimes my brain is slow
 
Doggo Labs said:
OOOoooo, i get what you were quoting my quote about now... the noob wolf you think is BC

I know you have a pretty firm stance on BC right now,I didn't see how that related to my post, sometimes my brain is slow
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No it's ok, I've been perusing the night kill choices too, they're extremely odd
 
Coopah said:
No! There were six minutes left in lynch and if kota voted to save SAR they would've had to find three votes in six minutes!
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How does that negate what I’m talking about, which is saying that Kota bussed SAR?? Like where am I getting lost in translation here because I’m confused
 
@WonderingStudent
Villagey posts:
Barkley13 said:
I had a lot of thoughts last night after the thread closed that I don’t totally remember right now

I didn’t like how it seemed like people were really harping on paws exclamation points even after she explained them (and it’s still getting mentioned) because it really is NAI and I was sketched out mostly by 3m and kota (snd thought kota sounded different too)

3ms voting position last night doesn’t help her out much

On the other hand kotas voting position does help her out quite a bit with how she moved back onto SAR at the end
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Barkley13 said:
Ok I'm rereading everything and just got through day 1

I didn't like BC's first post and I see how someone thinks she's echoey already since genny made a comment about people being quiet and then bc made a very similiar comment about people needing to talk. Seeing her post again about how she didn't like the SAR lynch still sketches me out and felt like a wolf defending another wolf.

3m seemed like a mixture of defensive and throwing a lot of shade around to see what sticks on D1 and seemed pretty bothered by paws's vote on her

Alissa was really really focused on sunbodi's one post about being a vanillager and posted about it multiple times and not much else but also broke the tie toward SAR so don't see her as wolf either

Kota had an odd reaction to paws joking around and changing her quote. I also feel like a lot of her posts have been off but have a hard time seeing her as wolf based on where her vote ended up yesterday

Doggo's another one that has felt off but her voting for SAR over sunbodi makes me lean her more village in spite of the fact that her reads seem to echo other peoples

So basically the people I thought were sketchy based on posts/tone ended up voting for SAR so I'm having trouble seeing them as anything but village. So alissa, kota, and doggo are village rn

BC and 3m are sketchy
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Barkley13 said:
They’re pretty similar to yesterday
Kota has felt off to me pretty much this entire game and a lot of posts she has made have given me sketchy feels. She has also seemed pretty reactive this game (the post in response to paws “fify” post comes to mind but there’s also been others) and I don’t like how everything time someone votes for her or says she’s sketchy that she doesn’t really have a defense other than saying “maybe you should try actually wolf hunting”
Sporty is due to POE and how someone else mentioned I believe that the lynch keeps getting pushed away from her. So that combined with not having any village points from her posts
And my read on you isn’t really strong, I just keep having this thought in the back of my head that you’ve been really helpful and how cubs always points out that when he’s said that about you before you were a wolf
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Sketchy posts:
Barkley13 said:
I don’t have her wolfy or anything, I just haven’t seen anything that screams super villagey
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I feel like when I read this the first time my sketch meter went up, but reading it now reads fine. I feel like this happens a bit when I'm reading barks, but as I'm rereading she is sounding more fine to me. I got a little burned by her a few games ago, but village ended up winning, and I don't want to make that mistake again, thats why I tend to read sketch on first read though but when rereading in context she sounds fine.
 
Kota1000 said:
Then what are you concerned about!? Even if you don’t want to answer just say so, cause I have a tinfoil forming that is based on this answer. You ignored my last question, so please answer this one
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I’m concerned about you being a wolf, clearly! If I thought you were a JOAT I wouldn’t be voting you lol
 
Coopah said:
No it's ok, I've been perusing the night kill choices too, they're extremely odd
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Do you think the kill choices, given what you know I’ve said, suggest that I’ve had any hand in them whatsoever?
 
Doggo Labs said:
I feel like when I read this the first time my sketch meter went up, but reading it now reads fine. I feel like this happens a bit when I'm reading barks, but as I'm rereading she is sounding more fine to me. I got a little burned by her a few games ago, but village ended up winning, and I don't want to make that mistake again, thats why I tend to read sketch on first read though but when rereading in context she sounds fine.
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You have one sketchy post and it’s just me saying that genny is neutral? 😕
also I have no idea what game you’re referring to because I don’t even remember the last time I was a wolf
 
BigCats said:
I’m concerned about you being a wolf, clearly! If I thought you were a JOAT I wouldn’t be voting you lol
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Yes but why? You haven’t really given a good explanation and I’d like to know why you are so sure I am a wolf, especially regarding what I have to do with doggo.
 
Like I just wish I thought you were a wolf so I could excuse this but I still think you’re village 🙁
 
Barkley13 said:
You have one sketchy post and it’s just me saying that genny is neutral? 😕
also I have no idea what game you’re referring to because I don’t even remember the last time I was a wolf
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Maybe the last game you were a wolf was Mardi GraWW?
 
Kota1000 said:
Yes but why? You haven’t really given a good explanation and I’d like to know why you are so sure I am a wolf, especially regarding what I have to do with doggo.
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Bro I have made like a dozen posts on you explaining why I’ve been voting you today as well as yesterday, I can’t just keep repeating myself. Your only village point is your vote for SAR, and that only lasts so long in the face of your bizarre reads and general tone, especially when I’m pretty darn sure that vote was a bus.
 
BigCats said:
Bro I have made like a dozen posts on you explaining why I’ve been voting you today as well as yesterday, I can’t just keep repeating myself. Your only village point is your vote for SAR, and that only lasts so long in the face of your bizarre reads and general tone, especially when I’m pretty darn sure that vote was a bus.
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Yes you did make some posts, but when I asked about why paws comment on doggo makes me suspect you didn’t answer...
 
@ everyone who hasn’t voted yet, who are you thinking? Or are y’all just trying not to hammer?
 
BigCats said:
How does that negate what I’m talking about, which is saying that Kota bussed SAR?? Like where am I getting lost in translation here because I’m confused
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You're telling me that even though Kota could have successfully saved SAR, D1, she bussed her for credit? How does that make sense? I might be down to lynch her eventually for this but ultimately you're a much better suspect considering your VCA and the fact we're not essentially having to go off your tinfoil.
 
BigCats said:
Do you think the kill choices, given what you know I’ve said, suggest that I’ve had any hand in them whatsoever?
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If I had any idea who had a hand in such confusing night kill choices I would say so. I don't have any idea except that someone clearly thought they were some sort of PR
 
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