Mini Skirts are NOT for Medschool

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Short skirts just aren't professional. A couple inches above the knee might be alright, but I get the impression the OP was talking about modern mini-skirts (micro skirts). Keep it in the "club," ladies. Or the bedroom. And check out this long list of professional gentleman that wear bow ties. Bow ties =/= a skirt that shows a**.

Obviously if you are showing too much skin a mini skirt is inappropriate. But my definition of mini skirt would probably have been fine. I think some taller females look more professional in a skirt above the knee. Not the type of mini skirt that rides the crotch, we can all agree that you are not going to the club for your interview.

Your professional gentlemen wearing bowties feeds into my point. Whether a skirt is above or below the knee shouldn't change how professional a person is as long as it remains modest.
 
Really? All it takes to make a straight male drop all pretense of professionalism and choose based on looks is a little leg?

As for the people wearing really awful clothes (beater, jeans, shorts) I wonder if some of them might be intentionally going for rejection - you know, parents really want them to go to school X, but they're dead set on school Y.

No. That's not all. There also needs to be a subconscious attraction for the individual, socially constructed norms she must satisfy (handshakes, not burping, not farting), certain key words like "compassion, community, service, etc." she must mention during her why medicine speech, and that certain "X" factor. WAIT! Think for one second... what is an interview actually measuring? That X FACTOR!?!!? WHAT IS AN X FACTOR? It's satisfying some arbitrary standard that depends on each interviewer's upbringing, background, culture, education, gender, prejudices, subconscious prejudices, etc... That was the point I was trying to make. I said "better chance of acceptance" as a form of hyperbole.

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are you implying a woman's sense of professional attire is radically different than that of a man?

No I am using the specific sampling of posters in this thread to state a point.

Just because the interviewer finds something inappropriate doesn't mean it actually is.

For instance, I think red is a cop-out color for a button up under the suit. I would almost go as far as saying red is a lazy choice and more so fitted for a night on the town rather than a med-school interview. There will be those who agree with me and those who disagree.

It is the same for the skirt above or below the knees. It's all a preference thing.

I think some women may come off looking worse in a longer skirt than in a skirt above the knee. Therefore, I don't think the OP's advice is valid in all situations. I think everyone who is applying to med school needs to know what makes them look good or not, i.e. if a female has extremely fat arms that may draw attention it would probably be best to cover them (at least one would think this). If the person chooses not to it's their choice, but the bottom line is to look as good as possible while maintaining credibility from a professional stand point and I don't think wearing a skirt above the knees immediately takes away from the professionalism of a person because I have personally seen many tasteful and professional skirts and skirt suits that are above and sometimes well above the knee. The type of skirt suits that are worn around Los Angeles by fashion moguls.
 
your definition of mini skirt is misinformed.

Is it not a skirt that can range anywhere from above the knee to below the buttocks? Obviously skimpier clothing should not be worn to an interview, but there can be professional skirts that are above the knee is what I am saying and I feel like the OP made it seem as though women should dress with Amish style skirts.

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It would suck to go through all of that work to get a great MCAT and great GPA just to blow it by wearing the wrong clothes.

Last year I went to some talk where the guy speaking (some admissions committee dude) was listing some of the fashion fux pas he witnessed.

My personal favorite was the guy who low ridered his suit pants right after the interview ended.

He did mentioned a student who checked their suit on their flight and it got lost who was forced to wear a makeshift outfit and how much he was impressed that the guy still was solid in his interview.
 
a mini skirt is not a 'preference thing,' and the fact that you're even trying to argue with me regarding this speaks volumes.

the bottom line is to maintain credibility and a mini skirt CLEARLY fails in this respect, as evidenced by the response of this particular interviewer, and what i guarantee would be the response of 90%+ of adcoms in general.

the problem here is that you either don't actually know what a mini skirt means or your sense of professionalism needs development. my guess is both.
 
No I am using the specific sampling of posters in this thread to state a point.

Just because the interviewer finds something inappropriate doesn't mean it actually is.

For instance, I think red is a cop-out color for a button up under the suit. I would almost go as far as saying red is a lazy choice and more so fitted for a night on the town rather than a med-school interview. There will be those who agree with me and those who disagree.

It is the same for the skirt above or below the knees. It's all a preference thing.

I think some women may come off looking worse in a longer skirt than in a skirt above the knee. Therefore, I don't think the OP's advice is valid in all situations. I think everyone who is applying to med school needs to know what makes them look good or not, i.e. if a female has extremely fat arms that may draw attention it would probably be best to cover them (at least one would think this). If the person chooses not to it's their choice, but the bottom line is to look as good as possible while maintaining credibility from a professional stand point and I don't think wearing a skirt above the knees immediately takes away from the professionalism of a person because I have personally seen many tasteful and professional skirts and skirt suits that are above and sometimes well above the knee. The type of skirt suits that are worn around Los Angeles by fashion moguls.

I hope no one agrees that a red shirt is appropriate interview attire. For some reason, when I think professional attire, I don't think fashion mogul 😛
 
a mini skirt is not a 'preference thing,' and the fact that you're even trying to argue with me regarding this speaks volumes.

the bottom line is to maintain credibility and a mini skirt CLEARLY fails in this respect, as evidenced by the response of this particular interviewer, and what i guarantee would be the response of 90%+ of adcoms in general.

the problem here is that you either don't actually know what a mini skirt means or your sense of professionalism needs development. my guess is both.

I defined what a miniskirt is a few posts above this and I think professionalism can be shown in confidence from knowing you look good. I would much rather wear a suit that I know fits me well and may not be as expensive than an expensive suit that doesn't accentuate my features. Not feeling good in my clothing could make for a horrible interview. I've been to doctor's offices where the doctor is wearing a skirt suit in which the skirt is above the knee. I personally didn't find it unprofessional, seeing how it was a skirt suit. But if 90% of adcomms think something becomes unprofessional once it rises above your knee then in that case I would not risk it.
 
you don't get to define what a miniskirt is.

I defined what I interpret as a mini-skirt, feel free to inform me if my knowledge in the area of miniskirts is not as vast as yours.

This is a professional mini skirt IMO:

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Yeah, mini-skirt is entirely unprofessional, sorry. Oakland, we're not talking about skirts that hit at the knee or slightly above, which people probably shouldn't be wearing at interviews anyway... this isn't an evening cocktail party.
 
I defined what I interpret as a mini-skirt, feel free to inform me if my knowledge in the area of miniskirts is not as vast as yours.

This is a professional mini skirt IMO:

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that is not a miniskirt.

And again, we're speaking about a med school interview, not the girl behind the counter selling me perfume/cologne at Macy's or Elliot on Scrubs. That is fine for someone in an office to wear or in a department store, but one wouldn't/shouldn't wear that to an interview.
 
oaklandguy, i say this for your own benefit - learn to keep your head down. you make a fool of yourself often.
 
No. That's not all. There also needs to be a subconscious attraction for the individual, socially constructed norms she must satisfy (handshakes, not burping, not farting), certain key words like "compassion, community, service, etc." she must mention during her why medicine speech, and that certain "X" factor. WAIT! Think for one second... what is an interview actually measuring? That X FACTOR!?!!? WHAT IS AN X FACTOR? It's satisfying some arbitrary standard that depends on each interviewer's upbringing, background, culture, education, gender, prejudices, subconscious prejudices, etc... That was the point I was trying to make. I said "better chance of acceptance" as a form of hyperbole.

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So, basically you dislike interviews, made a weak argument to support this dislike, and are now attempting to change the argument to something more substantial?

That's fine, but we're talking about miniskirts.
 
umm,..im a guy, and as much as i love miniskirts, i would not seriously consider an applicant that wore a miniskirt to the interview. I mean, cmon....👎
 
umm,..im a guy, and as much as i love miniskirts, i would not seriously consider an applicant that wore a miniskirt to the interview. I mean, cmon....👎

I'd probably take a few points off for professional attire. But seriously, I don't think a single person has said they would at least make to see how the person interviewed. Maybe they're mannerisms are extremely professional, they have a high GPA and MCAT, and tons of real clinical experience. Their only flaw was the miniskirt. I think it would be wrong not to give the spot to someone simply for a fashion faux pas.
 
I'd probably take a few points off for professional attire. But seriously, I don't think a single person has said they would at least make to see how the person interviewed. Maybe they're mannerisms are extremely professional, they have a high GPA and MCAT, and tons of real clinical experience. Their only flaw was the miniskirt. I think it would be wrong not to give the spot to someone simply for a fashion faux pas.

That may be, but if you're pre-med, and working your butt off to make sure you have the grades, the clinical experience, and everything else.. wouldn't you make double sure that you're wearing what's appropriate so you can seal the deal?
 
That may be, but if you're pre-med, and working your butt off to make sure you have the grades, the clinical experience, and everything else.. wouldn't you make double sure that you're wearing what's appropriate so you can seal the deal?

According to the OP these are people who are getting interviews. I may be naive, but aren't the ones getting interviews usually the top percentage of applicants? I would say to get the interview one would need to have worked their butt off, so maybe it's just not a big deal to them what kind've skirt they wear or maybe they truly have no realization of what is appropriate for a med-school interview (kind've like me right now, luckily I'm a guy and just gotta rock out a suit).
 
According to the OP these are people who are getting interviews. I may be naive, but aren't the ones getting interviews usually the top percentage of applicants? I would say to get the interview one would need to have worked their butt off, so maybe it's just not a big deal to them what kind've skirt they wear or maybe they truly have no realization of what is appropriate for a med-school interview (kind've like me right now, luckily I'm a guy and just gotta rock out a suit).

I mentioned this before, I feel that all of that should be common sense, and if you're really not sure, to ask. You can't just go ahead and assume that you know exactly what is appropriate, but I honestly would think a girl (or woman) who's smart enough to get INTO an interview for a medical school would have the common sense to realize that a short mini-skirt is the worst way to dress.

I'm obviously giving these people the benefit of the doubt.

And yes, the top people are the ones getting the interviews, however, just because they have the grades and all that does not mean they are automatically "in." That interview is the end of the line, and the last hurdle. It should totally matter to them what they wear, IMO.
 
Who was the applicant? Brett (from Flight of the Conchords)??
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or maybe Tim Tebow??
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LOL, as much as I like mocking Tebow and his crazy fanboys, that pic is photoshopped. This is the original:

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Also, I can't believe that it's been 77 posts and I'm the first one to post this:

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I don't see a problem with wearing 4 inch heeled pumps or anything - as long as a) you can walk in them and b) you're not pairing them with an overly short skirt.

I wore some very high heels with my pant suit to my interviews with no problem 😀
 
I don't see a problem with wearing 4 inch heeled pumps or anything - as long as a) you can walk in them and b) you're not pairing them with an overly short skirt.

I wore some very high heels with my pant suit to my interviews with no problem 😀

Lucky. :laugh: I don't wear heels much, so I look kinda funny when I walk in them. Oh, well. I got a few years before I need to worry about that.
 
I mentioned this before, I feel that all of that should be common sense, and if you're really not sure, to ask. You can't just go ahead and assume that you know exactly what is appropriate, but I honestly would think a girl (or woman) who's smart enough to get INTO an interview for a medical school would have the common sense to realize that a short mini-skirt is the worst way to dress.

I'm obviously giving these people the benefit of the doubt.

And yes, the top people are the ones getting the interviews, however, just because they have the grades and all that does not mean they are automatically "in." That interview is the end of the line, and the last hurdle. It should totally matter to them what they wear, IMO.

I concur. I think my main argument with people was that a lot of people were saying looking professional matters more than looking good, and in my opinion looking professional while looking good seemed like a better alternative, but if it's risque then I would rather not do something that would draw attention. I thought a skirt slightly at or above the knee could be very appropriate, but I now can totally understand why it probably isn't a very practical choice.
 
I concur. I think my main argument with people was that a lot of people were saying looking professional matters more than looking good, and in my opinion looking professional while looking good seemed like a better alternative, but if it's risque then I would rather not do something that would draw attention. I thought a skirt slightly at or above the knee could be very appropriate, but I now can totally understand why it probably isn't a very practical choice.

And I agree with you. I would much rather find a pants suit (as an example) that looked stylish and complimented my body and made me look nice as well as professional, than a pants suit that made me look frumpy or was extremely tight.
There has to be a distinct balance, and finding the right balance is what is key.
 
So, basically you dislike interviews, made a weak argument to support this dislike, and are now attempting to change the argument to something more substantial?

That's fine, but we're talking about miniskirts.

Okay, in case you lack comprehension skills, I'll spell it out for you so that my posts are specifically tailored to miniskirts and you can get off on your miniskirt fetish.

Follow me on this logic (carefully now, I wouldn't want to be misunderstood again):
1. Appearance/mannerism is a part of the interview.
2. Miniskirts falls under the category of appearance.
3. I don't think appearance, in any way, should be used to judge a person's qualifications.

However, the way they are dressed may say something about how seriously they take the interview at worst, or how ignorant they are about the importance of satisfying a stuck-up, judgmental, admissions committee at best. So while I would be giving them the benefit of the doubt, you would rather judge people. Fair enough - that's your prerogative. Whether that is right or wrong (point 3 above) is a whole different discussion.

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Okay, in case you lack comprehension skills, I'll spell it out for you so that my posts are specifically tailored to miniskirts and you can get off on your miniskirt fetish.

Follow me on this logic (carefully now, I wouldn't want to be misunderstood again):
1. Appearance/mannerism is a part of the interview.
2. Miniskirts falls under the category of appearance.
3. I don't think appearance, in any way, should be used to judge a person's qualifications.

However, the way they are dressed may say something about how seriously they take the interview at worst, or how ignorant they are about the importance of satisfying a stuck-up, judgmental, admissions committee at best. So while I would be giving them the benefit of the doubt, you would rather judge people. Fair enough - that's your prerogative. Whether that is right or wrong (point 3 above) is a whole different discussion.

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I know you weren't directing your post at me, but as far as number 3 goes.. maybe appearance shouldn't be used to judge a person's qualifications.. but as it stands right now, it is. So the OP was merely stating and advising other future interviewees to take heed of that and remember it.
 
However, the way they are dressed may say something about how seriously they take the interview at worst, or how ignorant they are about the importance of satisfying a stuck-up, judgmental, admissions committee at best.

Exactly, and I haven't said any more than that. Let's go back and look at my posts, shall we?

Tiktaalik said:
Really? All it takes to make a straight male drop all pretense of professionalism and choose based on looks is a little leg?

As for the people wearing really awful clothes (beater, jeans, shorts) I wonder if some of them might be intentionally going for rejection - you know, parents really want them to go to school X, but they're dead set on school Y.

Tiktaalik said:
So, basically you dislike interviews, made a weak argument to support this dislike, and are now attempting to change the argument to something more substantial?

That's fine, but we're talking about miniskirts.

I haven't judged anyone based on what they're wearing - in fact, I haven't really said much for or against miniskirts at all. You dislike interviews. That's cool. There's a legit argument for that. This thread, however, isn't about the merits of interviews. It is about the simple fact that clothing choices will affect the outcome of the interview. As you said,
Whether that is right or wrong (point 3 above) is a whole different discussion.
 
Okay, in case you lack comprehension skills, I'll spell it out for you so that my posts are specifically tailored to miniskirts and you can get off on your miniskirt fetish.

Follow me on this logic (carefully now, I wouldn't want to be misunderstood again):
1. Appearance/mannerism is a part of the interview.
2. Miniskirts falls under the category of appearance.
3. I don't think appearance, in any way, should be used to judge a person's qualifications.

However, the way they are dressed may say something about how seriously they take the interview at worst, or how ignorant they are about the importance of satisfying a stuck-up, judgmental, admissions committee at best. So while I would be giving them the benefit of the doubt, you would rather judge people. Fair enough - that's your prerogative. Whether that is right or wrong (point 3 above) is a whole different discussion.

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Wearing a miniskirt to an interview, or any other inappropriate attire, has NOTHING to do with appearance. It has everything to do with portraying that you are a respectful, mature candidate and that you have the crucial ability to understand how to interact with others as well as what is or is not appropriate.

Any candidate that doesn't have the ability to properly dress for an interview is a risk, because that candidate may also embarrass the school by dressing or acting inappropriately on rotations or in any other situation in which they represent the school. Students who don't have the common sense or basic level of respect to know that a suit is REQUIRED for ANY professional school interview is a financial and social liability for any school.

This should be obvious.
 
Wearing a miniskirt to an interview, or any other inappropriate attire, has NOTHING to do with appearance. It has everything to do with portraying that you are a respectful, mature candidate and that you have the crucial ability to understand how to interact with others as well as what is or is not appropriate.

Any candidate that doesn't have the ability to properly dress for an interview is a risk, because that candidate may also embarrass the school by dressing or acting inappropriately on rotations or in any other situation in which they represent the school. Students who don't have the common sense or basic level of respect to know that a suit is REQUIRED for ANY professional school interview is a financial and social liability for any school.

This should be obvious.

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Wearing a miniskirt to an interview, or any other inappropriate attire, has NOTHING to do with appearance. It has everything to do with portraying that you are a respectful, mature candidate and that you have the crucial ability to understand how to interact with others as well as what is or is not appropriate.

Any candidate that doesn't have the ability to properly dress for an interview is a risk, because that candidate may also embarrass the school by dressing or acting inappropriately on rotations or in any other situation in which they represent the school. Students who don't have the common sense or basic level of respect to know that a suit is REQUIRED for ANY professional school interview is a financial and social liability for any school.

This should be obvious.

Totally agree. A girl that shows up for a med school interview in a miniskirt or a guy who shows up for a med school interview in casual clothes, should be rejected immediately. It shows that the applicant has no clue. The med school should not take the risk on these kinds of folks.
 
I'd probably take a few points off for professional attire. But seriously, I don't think a single person has said they would at least make to see how the person interviewed. Maybe they're mannerisms are extremely professional, they have a high GPA and MCAT, and tons of real clinical experience. Their only flaw was the miniskirt. I think it would be wrong not to give the spot to someone simply for a fashion faux pas.

If the applicant were otherwise professional and qualified, I'd imagine the miniskirt would be overlooked. There are probably a few cases of applicants ending up in mini-skirts at interviews because of some last-minute malfunction with their suit pants/skirt forcing them to revert to casual attire, but as for those who intentionally pick it out...I would imagine that most of said otherwise professional and qualified applicants do not come from the wearing miniskirts to interviews demographic. Most people who think miniskirts are good interview attire are probably missing other pieces of the professionalism puzzle.
 
If the applicant were otherwise professional and qualified, I'd imagine the miniskirt would be overlooked. There are probably a few cases of applicants ending up in mini-skirts at interviews because of some last-minute malfunction with their suit pants/skirt forcing them to revert to casual attire, but as for those who intentionally pick it out...I would imagine that most of said otherwise professional and qualified applicants do not come from the wearing miniskirts to interviews demographic. Most people who think miniskirts are good interview attire are probably missing other pieces of the professionalism puzzle.

Well, in that situation, you could feasibly explain yourself – "Forgive my casual attire. I had a suit, but a 3-year-old ran up to me in the hotel lobby this morning and vomited on it," – and the interviewer would know that you knew what to wear but had just had bad luck, and would be unlikely to hold it against you.
 
I concur. I think my main argument with people was that a lot of people were saying looking professional matters more than looking good, and in my opinion looking professional while looking good seemed like a better alternative, but if it's risque then I would rather not do something that would draw attention. I thought a skirt slightly at or above the knee could be very appropriate, but I now can totally understand why it probably isn't a very practical choice.

Yeah but that's not really what you were saying.

oaklandguy, i say this for your own benefit - learn to keep your head down. you make a fool of yourself often.

Got to agree with bleargh. I've started to recognize your name because of instances like this.
 
Well, in that situation, you could feasibly explain yourself – "Forgive my casual attire. I had a suit, but a 3-year-old ran up to me in the hotel lobby this morning and vomited on it," – and the interviewer would know that you knew what to wear but had just had bad luck, and would be unlikely to hold it against you.

Not trying to be nitpicky here, but would saying that actually work? Like, would the interviewer be inclined to believe you or think you were making it up? I would hope they would believe you, as anyone who thought a mini skirt or something casual would be okay would most likely not say that they had a suit but something happened to it. I'm just actually curious. Hoping nothing like that ever happens to me, though, on the day of my interview.
 
Not trying to be nitpicky here, but would saying that actually work? Like, would the interviewer be inclined to believe you or think you were making it up? I would hope they would believe you, as anyone who thought a mini skirt or something casual would be okay would most likely not say that they had a suit but something happened to it. I'm just actually curious. Hoping nothing like that ever happens to me, though, on the day of my interview.

I'm certain it would. Interviewers are not robots, and telling the truth in that situation (my example was hypothetical) is much better than letting it be. If you don't tell them, you end up looking like an idiot who can't dress yourself. If you do tell them and do so graciously, they'll typically understand and you will have a chance to show that you know what's appropriate (because you explain that you know that the thing you ended up wearing was inappropriate), you're resilient (because you came to the interview anyway) and maybe have a good sense of humor (because you can laugh it off and go on, even in a stressful situation). Worst-case scenario, they think you're lying, but that's (a) super unlikely (who would knowingly dress like crap and then lie about it?) and (b) not much worse than them thinking you're an unprofessional scrub who can't dress yourself, really.

Interviews are not fun, but they are not nearly as bad as one fears they'll be beforehand. If you want to be safe against that kind of situation, though, just be sure you have a backup outfit - I brought a backup suit, for example (they were on sale anyway).
 
I'm certain it would. Interviewers are not robots, and telling the truth in that situation (my example was hypothetical) is much better than letting it be. If you don't tell them, you end up looking like an idiot who can't dress yourself. If you do tell them and do so graciously, they'll typically understand and you will have a chance to show that you know what's appropriate (because you explain that you know that the thing you ended up wearing was inappropriate), you're resilient (because you came to the interview anyway) and maybe have a good sense of humor (because you can laugh it off and go on, even in a stressful situation). Worst-case scenario, they think you're lying, but that's (a) super unlikely (who would knowingly dress like crap and then lie about it?) and (b) not much worse than them thinking you're an unprofessional scrub who can't dress yourself, really.

Interviews are not fun, but they are not nearly as bad as one fears they'll be beforehand. If you want to be safe against that kind of situation, though, just be sure you have a backup outfit - I brought a backup suit, for example (they were on sale anyway).

Thanks for answering my question 🙂 I was just genuinely curious.
 
Not trying to be nitpicky here, but would saying that actually work? Like, would the interviewer be inclined to believe you or think you were making it up? I would hope they would believe you, as anyone who thought a mini skirt or something casual would be okay would most likely not say that they had a suit but something happened to it. I'm just actually curious. Hoping nothing like that ever happens to me, though, on the day of my interview.

Kinda reminds me of "the dog ate my homework", except in this case "the dog peed on my suit" :laugh:
 
This thread reminds me why I usually avoid (socially) pre-med and med students. Also, it reminds me why I stopped reading and posting in the pre-allo forum.
 
There aren't enough photos of what not to wear in this thread...
 
Okay, in case you lack comprehension skills, I'll spell it out for you so that my posts are specifically tailored to miniskirts and you can get off on your miniskirt fetish.

Follow me on this logic (carefully now, I wouldn't want to be misunderstood again):
1. Appearance/mannerism is a part of the interview.
2. Miniskirts falls under the category of appearance.
3. I don't think appearance, in any way, should be used to judge a person's qualifications...
You're right, it should not be used to judge a persons' qualifications. Instead, it should be used to judge a person's judgment.


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Any candidate that doesn't have the ability to properly dress for an interview is a risk, because that candidate may also embarrass the school by dressing or acting inappropriately on rotations or in any other situation in which they represent the school. Students who don't have the common sense or basic level of respect to know that a suit is REQUIRED for ANY professional school interview is a financial and social liability for any school.

This should be obvious.

With the abovementioned reasoning in mind.
 
You're right, it should not be used to judge a persons' qualifications. Instead, it should be used to judge a person's judgment.

And one should have all the judgement of an experienced physician if daring to apply to med school. 🙄

Its not something we teach or anything like that. Wouldn't want an MS1 embarrassing the school sitting in class!

sigh...gunners
 
And one should have all the judgement of an experienced physician if daring to apply to med school. 🙄

Who the hell said that?!?!?

Its not something we teach or anything like that. Wouldn't want an MS1 embarrassing the school sitting in class!

Exactly, which is why, at certain schools, there is a dress code in class and why, at all schools, there is a dress code in clinical settings and when guest speakers are present in class.


If this thread is so beyond you, why are you here?
 
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