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I am currently a second year Masters student at PhiladelphiaCOM, and am applying to only Osteopathic schools to begin medical school in the Fall of 2008. I took the MCAT in August 2005 and received a 23O (PHY:9 BIO:8 VER:6). However, I retook the MCAT September 7 of this year and received a 27O (PHY:8 BIO:8 VER:11). My undergraduate science gpa (2.41) was atrocious because I was immature (who wasn't in college) and didn't really give a ****. However, since then, I took graduate classes in the first year of my Masters program, in which I received a combined 3.16 gpa. The problem is my overall gpa (computed as a combination of undergrad and grad by AACOMAS) is still only a 2.69. Because of this I have already been rejected by both Midwestern University CCOM and AZCOM because they require at least a 2.75. I am wondering if I still have a chance of being competitive in my remaining designations:
NYCOM
TOUROCOM in NYC
PCOM
PCOM-GA
NOVA (Just completed the secondary)
Kansas City COM
Wester University Pacific COM
MichStUCOM
TexasCOM

Any input would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
 
For the odds that are against you with your gpa, you are starting a little late. It would have been much more feasible had you finished your primary immediatley, but I know you were waiting to retake the mcat. Next year will probably give you better shots, but if you can kill some essays and have some great LOR's to get some attention, you may get an interview and be able to prove yourself. Good luck!
 
I have the same GPA as you, but a much better MCAT (33P) and science GPA (3.3). I also have a very strong upward trend. I started with a 2.2 GPA when I graduated, and I have a 3.4 in about 80 hours of mostly science since I came back. I am having some decent success with interviews, but no PCOM-Philly yet.

You should re-take every pre-requisite that you have less than a B in for sure. Get A's in everything. Then take the MCAT again.
 
Another thing from my experience... I don't think Nova will look at you with a non-science GPA below 2.9, and TCOM hasn't even called me yet, and I'm a texas resident.
 
i agree with TT...retake classes in which you have less than a B. I'm doing the same and if you're able to nail them itll definitely look good. Plus doing well in your masters program will enhance your app. good luck! it can be done.
 
Are you sure AACOMAS calculates those together? I have a bachelor's (3.07) and a master's degree (3.87) and they were DEFINATELY calculated separately. Basically, the only number that counts is the undergrad GPA. My 3.07 is considered my gpa (despite the fact that is was 10 years ago) and my 3.87 is just a nice EC, basically. It doesn't count towards my cumm gpa. That makes me very sad, but so it goes.
 
hiya!

Yes I Agree with everyone else... you don't need perfect grades but you need them to be alittle higher...with that being said... you can ignore everything that we say and call the admissions offices at the schools you are applying to... (I say this...because with my grades...which were fine for all the DO schools but not so hot for allopathic schools... ppl kept telling me that i had no shot...but the schools encouraged me to apply when i told them everything else about me... and so far so good) ... in any event...your second option since you only want DO programs could be to re take our scince classes...because AACOMAS will only use your most recent grade to calculate your gPA This gives you the chance to really increase your UG and science GPA...and you should apply earlier next year....

however it never hurts to try this year and you could prove us wrong! and if you don't get in this year then you know what to work on for next year!
congrats on increasing your MCAT score!!

good luck!
:luck::luck::luck::luck:😍
 
I am guaranteed an interview at PCOM. I did well in the first year of the Masters program which are classes similar to first year medical school classes. I received a 3.16. I'm not going to retake a genchem and bioclass I did poorly in my freshman year over five years ago. That just seems ridiculous, considering my MCAT score should indicate that I made up for the missing information at some point. I'd just like to know which of my remaining schools has gpa requirements.
 
And I haven't gone through great lengths? I retook the MCAT and spent $40,000 on two years of graduate school. The classes I took the first year of graduate school are way more applicable than any general chemistry or Biology I class which was purely ecology based.
 
You will not find a better resource for information on this matter than me. Nor will you find a bigger fan. I hope it works out for you, but I think you could stand to do a little more to improve your numbers.
 
And I haven't gone through great lengths? I retook the MCAT and spent $40,000 on two years of graduate school. The classes I took the first year of graduate school are way more applicable than any general chemistry or Biology I class which was purely ecology based.


Well, I hope I can offer you a little more advice based on the fact that I am in the same program you are in only at the UMDNJ campus. What I have been told is that if you do well in the masters program (3.5 or better) then you have a really great shot of getting into med school (at UMDNJ-SOM, this advice is speaking in terms of this particular school but you can see how it applies to other schools as well). Essentially your masters gpa will overshadow your ugrad gpa but you have to finish the program before that rule applies. Note that his only applies to hard science masters (which I know you are in but I am speaking to those that got their MPH or something or another that will try to tell you otherwise....hard science masters are looked at completely differently by adcoms).

Next, you still can't forget the ugrad gpa, many people in the program that I am in are hovering right around the 3.0 point and of course people have different circumstances as to why they did not do so hot in ugrad, but if you have a better reason than 'immaturity' then you would be sitting a little better. For me, I was a division I-A athlete, full scholarship and all, basically we were told from the get-go that academics took a back seat to athletics. I barely slept at all in ugrad, averaged about 4 hours a night only to wake up at 5am to train for 2 hours, go to class, come back in the afternoon to train for another 2+ hours and then go eat dinner, go to lab and start studying at 10pm. The rest of my classmates were either crawling into bed at that time or were still sleeping in their nice and toasty warm beds while I was awake and training the next morining (probably both). Also, I don't regret it at all, not even for a minute, I competed at the elite level and I wouldn't trade anything for that. So what I'm trying to say is that if you have another reason for doing so poorly, any other reason, I would focus on that rather than immaturity, and of course how that has helped guide you to the more 'mature' person you are today.

Basically, you still need to improve that ugrad gpa. You don't have to re-take if you don't want to but it will definitely raise your gpa a lot faster than taking another ugrad upper division science course. Honestly, how hard would it be to take freakin' gen bio over again after all the mol bio and biochem you've had? I mean....would you seriously even show up to the class outside of exams? There is a diminishing return on this in that the more retakes you have the worse it looks on your transcript, so I would try to balance it out just right. IMO having more than 3-4 retakes is like having a bad acne outbreak on prom night, you might look great in your dress/tux but your face is f&*#ing ugly and no one will notice anything but.

On a side note, I am surprised that PCOM accepted you with such a low undergrad gpa because you are going to have to fix it w/ or w/o the masters. I know how you feel. I graduated with a 2.8 and did a year of postbac to bring my overall gpa to a 2.94 (I am oh so close to that sweet, sweet 3.0) so don't take this the wrong way. It's just that they should have told you that even with the program that gaining an acceptance to even a DO school would still be a pretty big uphill struggle.

The good news is that you raised your MCAT to a competitive level so you don't have to worry about that anymore. If I were you, since you have already begun the application process, I would call the schools for which you have not submitted secondaries for and see what they think. I am willing to be that once you have your master's degree they will view you as a more favorable applicant.

So, to summarize IMO you should do the following

-Call schools for which you have not submitted secondaries
-Finish your masters with a bang (try to get as many A's as humanly possible)
-Re-take classes that you got C's or worse in to raise your gpa faster, or, just take upper division ugrad classes to raise your ugrad gpa to 3.0 (or as close as possible before next cycle).
-Find another reason for your poor ugrad academic record....everyone is immature at that age so it really is not a reason but rather an excuse
-Move some mountains on your PCOM interview or turn water to wine (impress them A LOT)


And lastly, make sure you have lots and lots of :luck::luck: because everyone knows this process is a crapshoot 🙂

PlAnEjaNe
 
If you went to college A and got a B.S. in chemistry and then went to college B and got a B.S. in biology by taking another 30 hours, wouldn't all of the grades and credits be used to calculate your undergraduate GPA? Isn't this a better strategy to pump up your GPA than going to a post bacc or graduate program?😕
 
If you went to college A and got a B.S. in chemistry and then went to college B and got a B.S. in biology by taking another 30 hours, wouldn't all of the grades and credits be used to calculate your undergraduate GPA? Isn't this a better strategy to pump up your GPA than going to a post bacc or graduate program?😕

Dont take this as being rude. I think its great your supportive of (correct me if Im wrong) your daughter. But why doesnt she post/ask ?s on SDN???
 
Dont take this as being rude. I think its great your supportive of (correct me if Im wrong) your daughter. But why doesnt she post/ask ?s on SDN???

Neither of my parents finished high school and all of my friends had working class back grounds. The counselor at my undergraduate college was an old gas bag who just spouted platitudes. When I finished undergraduate school I had no idea of what I should do with my life. I've been paying for it ever since.

My daughter is a bit preoccupied at the moment so I have taken it upon myself to get her the best information possible. I'm going to tell her about this site when she gets done with the MCAT and then maybe she'll do the posting. Who knows?

Please also be advised that this med school thing is entirely her idea.
 
If you went to college A and got a B.S. in chemistry and then went to college B and got a B.S. in biology by taking another 30 hours, wouldn't all of the grades and credits be used to calculate your undergraduate GPA? Isn't this a better strategy to pump up your GPA than going to a post bacc or graduate program?😕

Going to college B and taking 30 credits is a post bacc, so it's neither better nor worse.

Post bacc =/= grad courses by nature, although it could be.

To the OP: I think you'll score an interview at a couple of places because of the SMP at PCOM, even though your GPA is very low and your MCAT just a little above the average for DO schools.
 
This site makes everyone feel so inferior. I have posted my stats else ware but will post them again. 3.2ish GPA, 3.2ish Sci, 24 MCAT twice. I already have 1 acceptance and three other interviews to go. If this is something you are willing to work hard for,,,, you can have it.
 
This site makes everyone feel so inferior. I have posted my stats else ware but will post them again. 3.2ish GPA, 3.2ish Sci, 24 MCAT twice. I already have 1 acceptance and three other interviews to go. If this is something you are willing to work hard for,,,, you can have it.


you do have an acceptance.........so.......
 
Quick question, how does AACOMAS calculate P/NP grading? I'm thinking of switching to this option for a GE course. I can still get an A- in the class, but it's more likely a B or B+. What do you suggest? It would lessen the stress (which is taking a toll). This would be the first P/NP grading if I switch.
 
You will not find a better resource for information on this matter than me. Nor will you find a bigger fan. I hope it works out for you, but I think you could stand to do a little more to improve your numbers.

Are you so sure about that? 😉
 
Quick question, how does AACOMAS calculate P/NP grading? I'm thinking of switching to this option for a GE course. I can still get an A- in the class, but it's more likely a B or B+. What do you suggest? It would lessen the stress (which is taking a toll). This would be the first P/NP grading if I switch.

Those are good scores... I don't know what a GE course means.... If it is a requirement. I would say don't make it pass/fail. Can you change it this late in the semester? But, a B plus is a great score!
 
I'm sure about that.

I stand behind that mo'fo 100%.

I was referring to low GPAs and info on getting into schools. Seeing as how I am currently a medical student, I would contest I too have some amount of knowledge gaining acceptance with a low GPA.

Not to say TT isn't close - but he still has a month or so 😀
 
Sir, I trully respect what you are doing for your daughter!

-NYC Medic
 
Just because they say minimum GPA required is 2.75 does not mean anything. Avarage DO GPA is 3.4 -->.......... I think you should work on your application and apply next year...
Do you have excellent EC's, and LORS?
 
Just because they say minimum GPA required is 2.75 does not mean anything. Avarage DO GPA is 3.4 -->.......... I think you should work on your application and apply next year...
Do you have excellent EC's, and LORS?

doesn't PCOM have an interview for those who finish well in their program
 
If I were you, I would continue to retake the courses that you did poorly in to demonstrate that you are a dedicated person.

All your Cs should ideally be replaced with As or B+'s at the least and given your MCAT, I would retake it and try to score higher to supplement your low GPA.

I think that it is great that your stats now show that you are improving academically, but many of the schools may be reluctant to offer you interviews based your past.

Hope everything works out, but if anything keep replacing those low grades with higher ones especially in the sciences and reapply as early as possible when the next opportunity arises.
 
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